Another Realm?

[MrE]

(TO be blunt if any Dream makes me think the Bible is wrong I would ignore it being I know GOD's word enough to know there are dreams to be careful of so yes I understand of Dreams from Satan and are traps.) But really ask yourself is believing there is a Dream realm take away From GOD glory or to say he is not GOD... not to me.

I look at it like this... God is spirit. His realm is spiritual.

Encounters with God occur in His realm.

Dreams are like windows that allow us to peek into that realm. Out of body experiences. We see it in scripture often-- where people communicate with God and where God communicates with us-- in dream. In the spirit.

 

[NightTwister]

Gnosticism for fun and prophet!

 

[MrE]

(TO be blunt if any Dream makes me think the Bible is wrong I would ignore it being I know GOD's word enough to know there are dreams to be careful of so yes I understand of Dreams from Satan and are traps.) But really ask yourself is believing there is a Dream realm take away From GOD glory or to say he is not GOD... not to me.

One of the most amazing things I've encountered through dreams aligns with this thought above. I've had many dreams where I'm seated with folks at a table, or in a classroom or conference room-- sharing food. This seems to be quite a normal activity and it's not something that anyone should consider strange. So what is amazing about it?

In a spiritual sense, the spiritual man/being (because spirits are spirits and not men at all) has no need of food. Spirit is spirit, and their "food" is not coffee and cinnamon buns (for example). To share food 'in spirit' is to share knowledge. Spiritual bread for the head-- it's information and insights that is partaken of and shared. To eat, is to gain knowledge. Is that something that conforms or contradicts scripture?

Jesus said- "I am the bread of life." He sat with his disciples, broke bread and said-- eat me. Take me in.... "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.

He told his disciples that his food was to do the will of the Father. He knew what he was sent to do.

And the same could be said of the prophets and dreamers of whom God said-- And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding.

Ezekiel 3:3-- take and eat--fill your belly with this scroll.
Jeremiah 15:16-- Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts.
Rev 10:9-- So I went to the angel and told him to give me the little scroll and he said to me- "Take and eat it. It will make your stomach bitter, but in your mouth it will be sweet as honey."

Fascinating, but almost everything that we know about God, and about the spiritual realm- comes to us from dreams and visions and the information they recorded about those experiences--- it's the very essence of scriptural spiritual insight.

Often-- when faced with something from a dream that doesn't seem to align with scripture-- I'm challenged and inclined to examine my understanding and doing so I discover that there is nothing wrong with scripture, but that scripture has been misunderstood and taught poorly, even while authoritatively. It's valuable to reexamine these things and that's exactly what Christ did when Jesus taught. "You have been taught..." or "You have heard it said...." --"But I say....." He challenged their understanding of those same scriptures they thought themselves to be experts in.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

But really ask yourself is believing there is a Dream realm take away From GOD glory or to say he is not GOD... not to me.

Precious friend, @Unknown, A Very Warm Welcome Back to 'Chat.'

Grace, Peace, Mercy, And Love

And, Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified In
The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
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[Edify]

We are connected to the Dream Realm but must respect God’s boundaries.
We can safely dream, create, and imagine within God’s design.
We should trust that God alone holds full authority over all realms, physical and invisible.

Final Thought:

The Dream Realm is God’s hidden workshop — the origin of all potential — guarded and sacred.
Understanding this humbles us, reminding us that some mysteries are held back not to keep us ignorant, but to keep us safe.

In order to believe God has a dream world, we must conclude He is the one who gives us nightmares. Or, we can conclude He allows demons in it to give us nightmares.
I have a question: why are we entertaining such unproven, mystical thoughts?
Weren't we warned in scripture not even to consider such things?
Read Gen 1 with all its literal context & then tell me you still believe such utter nonsense that Unknown has added to the Word with only a supposition.

 

[MrE]

In order to believe God has a dream world, we must conclude He is the one who gives us nightmares. Or, we can conclude He allows demons in it to give us nightmares.
I have a question: why are we entertaining such unproven, mystical thoughts?
Weren't we warned in scripture not even to consider such things?
Read Gen 1 with all its literal context & then tell me you still believe such utter nonsense that Unknown has added to the Word with only a supposition.

Funny username.

 

[Unknown]

In order to believe God has a dream world, we must conclude He is the one who gives us nightmares. Or, we can conclude He allows demons in it to give us nightmares.
I have a question: why are we entertaining such unproven, mystical thoughts?
Weren't we warned in scripture not even to consider such things?
Read Gen 1 with all its literal context & then tell me you still believe such utter nonsense that Unknown has added to the Word with only a supposition.

I appreciate your concern, but I think you may have misunderstood what I was saying.


I never claimed that God created nightmares or that demons have free reign over anything without God's permission. What I was exploring was the possibility—based on how deeply ingrained dreams are in all living things—that there may be more to dreams than just brain activity.


In fact, the Bible is full of references to dreams, visions, and symbolic language that go beyond the purely physical. Think of Joseph, Daniel, and even the prophetic dreams in the New Testament. Were all of those dreams just hallucinations? Clearly not.


Also, asking questions or exploring ideas isn't forbidden in Scripture. Paul even tells us to "test everything; hold fast what is good" (1 Thessalonians 5:21). That doesn't mean blindly believing in every theory—but it also doesn't mean shutting down any thought that isn't spelled out in black-and-white terms.


Genesis 1 tells us that "the earth was without form and void" and that "darkness was over the face of the deep" before God spoke order into it. That’s not your standard building block of physics. If anything, it invites deeper reflection.


I'm not saying this theory is gospel truth—I’m saying we should be willing to wonder, to think deeply, and not label every idea we don’t understand as “nonsense.”


And calling something “utter nonsense” without taking the time to understand it fully isn't correction—it's dismissal. I’m open to correction, but let’s do it with grace and Scripture, not assumptions.

 

[Unknown]

I’m not claiming to prove that the Dream Realm is definitively real—I’m just inviting us to think more deeply about dreams and whether they might be more than just scattered brainwaves during sleep.


Hosea 4:6 says:

“My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge…”​

God doesn’t want us blindly following tradition or assumptions—He calls us to seek wisdom, understanding, and discernment. Too often, we put God in a small, manageable box because it makes us feel safe. We start to believe our limited understanding of Him is the whole picture.


But Isaiah 55:8-9 reminds us:

“For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the Lord. “As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.”​

That should humble us—not scare us. If God’s ways are so far beyond ours, then why do we assume dreams are just meaningless static?


The Bible is filled with God speaking through dreams:

• Joseph in Genesis 37
• Pharaoh’s dreams interpreted by Joseph in Genesis 41
• Daniel in Babylon interpreting dreams in Daniel 2
• Joseph, husband of Mary, warned in a dream in Matthew 2:13

And Job 33:14–16 says:

“For God may speak in one way, or in another, yet man does not perceive it. In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep falls upon men… then He opens the ears of men, and seals their instruction.”​

I’m not saying every dream is divine—but maybe not every dream is just mental noise either. Some may be messages, reflections of spiritual battles, or deeper realities we don’t yet understand.


Now, let me be honest. I’m a coward at heart. Fear often grips me. So just to give myself a little strength, I began saying: “I have a sleeping dragon in my soul.” No, I don’t literally believe there’s a dragon in me. It was just a declaration to stir up bravery.


But then something strange happened.


One night, during a nightmare, as terrifying creatures surrounded me—I changed. In the dream, I became the very dragon I had spoken of. And the creatures that once chased me began running from me.


That dream taught me something: words have power. Even words we speak to ourselves in weakness can become a spark of strength in the spirit.


Proverbs 18:21 says:

“Death and life are in the power of the tongue, and those who love it will eat its fruit.”​

And Jesus said in Mark 11:23:

“If anyone says to this mountain, ‘Be removed and be cast into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart… it will be done.”​

I didn’t summon a mythical creature—I tapped into something God may have already placed in me: courage. Boldness. The power to stand when fear says run. Even 2 Timothy 1:7 affirms this:

“For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.”​

So no, I’m not trying to create a new doctrine. I’m not claiming dragons or dream realms as fact. I’m just asking, what if? What if God gave us dreams for more than just sleep?

 

[MrE]

I’m not claiming to prove that the Dream Realm is definitively real—I’m just inviting us to think more deeply about dreams and whether they might be more than just scattered brainwaves during sleep.


Hosea 4:6 says:

“My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge…”​

God doesn’t want us blindly following tradition or assumptions—He calls us to seek wisdom, understanding, and discernment. Too often, we put God in a small, manageable box because it makes us feel safe. We start to believe our limited understanding of Him is the whole picture.


But Isaiah 55:8-9 reminds us:

“For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the Lord. “As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.”​

That should humble us—not scare us. If God’s ways are so far beyond ours, then why do we assume dreams are just meaningless static?


The Bible is filled with God speaking through dreams:

• Joseph in Genesis 37
• Pharaoh’s dreams interpreted by Joseph in Genesis 41
• Daniel in Babylon interpreting dreams in Daniel 2
• Joseph, husband of Mary, warned in a dream in Matthew 2:13

And Job 33:14–16 says:

“For God may speak in one way, or in another, yet man does not perceive it. In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep falls upon men… then He opens the ears of men, and seals their instruction.”​

I’m not saying every dream is divine—but maybe not every dream is just mental noise either. Some may be messages, reflections of spiritual battles, or deeper realities we don’t yet understand.


Now, let me be honest. I’m a coward at heart. Fear often grips me. So just to give myself a little strength, I began saying: “I have a sleeping dragon in my soul.” No, I don’t literally believe there’s a dragon in me. It was just a declaration to stir up bravery.


But then something strange happened.


One night, during a nightmare, as terrifying creatures surrounded me—I changed. In the dream, I became the very dragon I had spoken of. And the creatures that once chased me began running from me.


That dream taught me something: words have power. Even words we speak to ourselves in weakness can become a spark of strength in the spirit.


Proverbs 18:21 says:

“Death and life are in the power of the tongue, and those who love it will eat its fruit.”​

And Jesus said in Mark 11:23:

“If anyone says to this mountain, ‘Be removed and be cast into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart… it will be done.”​

I didn’t summon a mythical creature—I tapped into something God may have already placed in me: courage. Boldness. The power to stand when fear says run. Even 2 Timothy 1:7 affirms this:

“For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.”​

So no, I’m not trying to create a new doctrine. I’m not claiming dragons or dream realms as fact. I’m just asking, what if? What if God gave us dreams for more than just sleep?

You didn't turn into a dragon. You had 'a dragon spirit' come upon you. What is a dragon spirit?

The old native Indians understood much better than we, sophisticated modern white men ever will. They created totems to reflect things seen and associated with the spiritual realm, depicting those spirits as animal totems. They were reflective of their spiritual beliefs and often included the raven, eagle, killer whale, thunderbird, bear, and wolf, each with its own symbolic meaning. That is, they used animal attributes to associate those known concepts with spiritual ideas that had similar attributes. If you want to get a glimmer of understanding into the unknown spiritual attributes, look at the known physical likeness. We all know, and can easily make a list of bear, or eagle attributes that most people would recognize-- these are simply ways of describing something unfamiliar by using familiar objects (animal life) to create an association. A way to describe otherwise indescribable things.

Your dragon is fierce, powerful, fire-breathing, flying, fearless, and so on. Is that you? No-- you've confessed already that you have the heart of a coward, but in spirit-- your chicken spirit of fear was replaced by boldness of a dragon. If one does not consider symbolism to be of great importance, they will stumble along in darkness.

 

[Unknown]

**"Thanks for sharing your perspective—it’s interesting, and I respect that you’re trying to dig into deeper meaning. But I think we’re approaching this from different angles. I’m not claiming I was overtaken by a 'dragon spirit.' I don’t believe in totem spirits or anything like that. What I experienced was a dream where I—someone who often feels like a coward—became something bold and fearless. It wasn’t a doctrinal vision; it was a symbolic experience, and I’ve been reflecting on it prayerfully.


Here’s the thing: I had started telling myself things like, 'There’s a sleeping dragon in my soul.' Not because I literally believe I’m part dragon, but because I needed a symbol of courage—something to help me believe boldness was inside me. Proverbs 18:21 says, 'Death and life are in the power of the tongue,' and Proverbs 23:7 says, 'As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he.'


I think the reason I turned into a dragon in that dream is because of what I’d been saying about myself. I was declaring boldness, and maybe—just maybe—God allowed that image to manifest in the dream to help me understand that our words shape us, even in our sleep.


Job 33:15-16 reminds us:

'In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep falleth upon men, in slumberings upon the bed; Then he openeth the ears of men, and sealeth their instruction.'​

Sometimes God uses dreams to teach, warn, or strengthen us—without us fully understanding how. I'm not saying the dream was a prophecy, but it lined up with what God has been working in me: replacing fear with faith. Maybe it was God's way of sealing that lesson inside me.


I’m not trying to elevate dreams or create a strange theology. I’m just saying we should be open—open to the fact that God may speak through even small, symbolic things. Hosea 4:6 says, 'My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge…' and Isaiah 55:8-9 reminds us that God’s thoughts are far above ours. That should humble us—not make us fearful of asking, 'What if?'


So no—I don’t worship dragons or believe in animal spirits. But I do believe the Holy Spirit is still speaking and guiding, even in ways we don’t always expect. And if a dream helped me understand that boldness is something I can walk in—then maybe that was just one more way God is teaching me to grow."**

 

[Eli1]

Very nice topic @Unknown .
The words escape us here in the flesh to try to describe God in His full glory which is why again we 'shouldn't put God in a box' as you said.
I get that the word 'dream' is not sufficient to describe the condition of the world before the physical but the word 'dream' describes something we can't precisely put together in words in the physical world.

Thanks again for the inspiration.

 

[MrE]

**"Thanks for sharing your perspective—it’s interesting, and I respect that you’re trying to dig into deeper meaning. But I think we’re approaching this from different angles. I’m not claiming I was overtaken by a 'dragon spirit.' I don’t believe in totem spirits or anything like that. What I experienced was a dream where I—someone who often feels like a coward—became something bold and fearless. It wasn’t a doctrinal vision; it was a symbolic experience, and I’ve been reflecting on it prayerfully.


Here’s the thing: I had started telling myself things like, 'There’s a sleeping dragon in my soul.' Not because I literally believe I’m part dragon, but because I needed a symbol of courage—something to help me believe boldness was inside me. Proverbs 18:21 says, 'Death and life are in the power of the tongue,' and Proverbs 23:7 says, 'As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he.'


I think the reason I turned into a dragon in that dream is because of what I’d been saying about myself. I was declaring boldness, and maybe—just maybe—God allowed that image to manifest in the dream to help me understand that our words shape us, even in our sleep.


Job 33:15-16 reminds us:

'In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep falleth upon men, in slumberings upon the bed; Then he openeth the ears of men, and sealeth their instruction.'​

Sometimes God uses dreams to teach, warn, or strengthen us—without us fully understanding how. I'm not saying the dream was a prophecy, but it lined up with what God has been working in me: replacing fear with faith. Maybe it was God's way of sealing that lesson inside me.


I’m not trying to elevate dreams or create a strange theology. I’m just saying we should be open—open to the fact that God may speak through even small, symbolic things. Hosea 4:6 says, 'My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge…' and Isaiah 55:8-9 reminds us that God’s thoughts are far above ours. That should humble us—not make us fearful of asking, 'What if?'


So no—I don’t worship dragons or believe in animal spirits. But I do believe the Holy Spirit is still speaking and guiding, even in ways we don’t always expect. And if a dream helped me understand that boldness is something I can walk in—then maybe that was just one more way God is teaching me to grow."**

You are reading into what I said and adding things I simply didn’t say.

I didn’t say you worship dragons.
I didn’t say you were overtaken by a dragon spirit.
I didn’t say you were trying to elevate dreams or create a strange theology.

I said that the dragon concept is symbolic. It’s representative of certain attributes as are all animal associations.

Jesus as a lamb, or the Holy Spirit descending “like a dove” are examples of evocative associations related to those particular creatures. As with a lion or a wolf or an eagle or— a dragon.

 

[Unknown]

**"Thanks for clarifying—I appreciate that, truly. I wasn’t trying to twist your words, and if I misunderstood your intent, that’s on me. I just wanted to make sure I was being clear, because when people hear words like 'dragon spirit,' it can raise red flags fast, especially in Christian circles.

Now that I see you're talking about symbolic associations, I can agree with that to a degree. Scripture does use animals symbolically—Jesus is the Lamb of God (John 1:29), the Lion of Judah (Revelation 5:5); the Holy Spirit descended like a dove (Matthew 3:16). Those aren’t random animals—they carry deep meaning tied to God's nature and roles.

Anyway, I really do appreciate you explaining where you were coming from. I think we’re a lot closer in understanding than it first seemed."**

 

[Unknown]

MrE
please understand some things people say I do not understand what there saying so I thought you where talking about strange things and that is on me so forgive me and I hope you do not get upset with me I just got confused what you where saying and took it wrong