The Error is Baptism in Jesus name only for salvation

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Yes, the account reveals the necessity of being baptized in the name of Jesus. Once the NT began everyone that believed in Jesus death, burial and resurrection was to be baptized in His name for remission of sin. (Acts 2:38) Everyone would include those who were previously baptized by John. And I believe the same applies to those who have been baptized "in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost."

Note as well that Apollos knew only John's baptism until Aquila and Priscilla instructed him more perfectly. (Acts 18:25-26) This account indicates that Apollos was told of the NT baptism. For we know he was baptizing others and we know Apollos was not administering John's baptism in Corinth. (1 Cor. 1:10-15)
The more perfect way was the empowerment of the Holy Spirit which Before he met Aquila and Priscilla he had not experienced.
 

Wansvic

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The Blood of Jesus washed away our sins. Water in Baptism doesn't symbolize the removal of sin; it represents the grave, as Paul said in Romans 6. Why do you choose to replace the Blood of Jesus and reduce it to water as the removal of sins?

What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

5 For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be [a]done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. 7 For he who has died has been [b]freed from sin. 8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, 9 knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him. 10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. 11 Likewise you also, [c]reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Those who trust in Jesus are baptized into Him upon obedience to God's mandate of water baptism. Those who are baptized in Jesus' name are buried with Jesus and rise as a new creation in Him.

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.


The following scripture indicates believers receive remission of sin. How? Through his name. The account ends with individuals being commanded to be water baptized in the name of Jesus. Clearly, remission of sin takes place when God says it does:

Acts 10:43
To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
 

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“Please give us a scripture that says , “ name of”

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,

and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“]I don’t see the word “ONLY”. In any of these verses. “

“Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭4:12‬ ‭

Seems like I’ve shared those many times actually but can you show any scripture even one where someone’s baptized in any other name ?

“And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭1:21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, “

“Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭3:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:48‬ ‭

“When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭19:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:27‬ ‭KJV‬‬

seems like jesus is the name at least in my own belief . But honestly I don’t think the issue is that I haven’t shared scriptures to support what I’m saying seems like they are simple and plain
Part Three:

Matthew 28:19 for Baptizers / Acts 2:38 for Baptizees


One of the most important distinctions often overlooked in baptism discussions is the difference in perspective between Jesus’ command in Matthew 28:19 and Peter’s words in Acts 2:38.


In Matthew 28:19, Jesus is speaking directly to baptizers—those who will carry out the ordinance. He instructs them to baptize “in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.” This is the official formula given to the Church by Christ Himself.


In contrast, Acts 2:38 reflects Peter addressing baptizees—those who are about to be baptized. He says, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ…” Here, Peter is not prescribing a liturgical formula to the baptizers, but emphasizing Jesus as the authority under which the baptism is taking place. It’s a public declaration of allegiance to Christ.


Acts 22:16 sheds even more light:


“Now why do you delay? Get up and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on His name.”

The grammar here is key—the one being baptized is the one calling on the name of the Lord. This moment is what we refer to as the confession of faith.


At our church, we honor both commands by recognizing this two-part dynamic in every baptism:


  1. The baptizer asks: “What is your sacred confession?”
  2. The candidate replies: “Jesus is Lord.”
  3. Then the baptizer declares:
    “Upon your confession of faith, I now baptize you in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit.”

In this way, we fulfill both Matthew 28:19 (instruction to baptizers) and Acts 2:38 (response of baptizees). It’s not either/or—it’s both/and. This practice preserves the biblical integrity of baptism while embracing the richness of Scripture’s full witness.

Maybe we have been missing something. In trying to reconcile Matthew 28:19 with scriptures like Romans 6:3 and Galatians 3:27, perhaps Matthew 28 is saying baptize “BY THE AUTHORITY OF” the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. We all know that “in the name of” means “by the authority of”; where as Romans 6:3 says we are baptized INTO Christ: also, Galatians 3:27 says we are baptized INTO Christ. Maybe this is the position of those who teach “Jesus only” doctrine. I certainly don’t agree with their doctrine, but I believe all scripture harmonizes with all other scriptures. Just trying to harmonize these different passages on baptism.

Would there be anything wrong with someone saying, “I baptize you by the authority of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost into Jesus Christ for the remission if your sins? I even think it would be acceptable to say “I baptize you in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy ghost into Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins.” I think we have perfectly harmonized Matthew 28,19, Roman’s 6:3, Galatians 3:27 and Acts 2:38! Surely, we have covered ALL the bases!
 

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What is most intriguing about this Verse is that we know the Gospel of Matthew was released before any of the other Gospels.

Luke is actually dated last.

And here Luke is matching up to what he wrote in the Book of Acts.

We see the Apostles Baptizing in Acts the way we read it in the Gospel of Luke and Luke's Gospel is dated last to be written.

Makes me think Luke is more accurate because it matches what he wrote in the Book of Acts.
I agree. However, what many fail to realize is there is no conflict between Jesus' words in Matthew and the actions of His apostles in the Book of Acts.

Jesus commanded His apostles to baptize in a singular name. Afterward the actions of the apostles reveal the name. Clearly, the name that encompasses the Godhead (Father, Son and Holy Ghost) is Jesus. This lines up with scripture that expresses that in Jesus dwells all the fulness of the Godhead. (Col 2:9-15)
 

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As long as people conflate the baptism OF the Spirit with baptism WITH the Spirit, error will follow.
 

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I find it odd that:
casting out demons I say IN THE NAME OF YESHUA
when I lay hands on the sick and pray I say IN THE NAME OF YESHUA
when praying someone to accept Salvation I say IN THE NAME OF YESHUA
whenever I feel the presence of evil I say IN THE NAME OF YESHUA
all throughout the New Testament it's IN THE NAME OF YESHUA


why would Baptism be different?

I have never said Satan, get thee behind me in the name of the Father or Holy Spirit... it's always 100% IN THE NAME OF YESHUA!

I cannot find anywhere in the New Testament they mentioned doing things in the name or authority of the Father or Holy Spirit. It's always 100% IN THE NAME OF YESHUA.

If everything and I mean everything even when praying we say Heavenly Father IN THE NAME OF YESHUA.........if everything is always 100% because it is in every example in the New Testament IN THE NAME OF YESHUA then why would water Baptism not also be IN THE NAME OF YESHUA?
 

Wansvic

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FYI the RCC was not established in Acts, which was written in 65 - 70 AD.

Again, you ignore the words I said in the response to my post.
The detailed accounts of baptism in the Book of Acts reveal water baptism is to be administered in the name of Jesus.

Forerunners of the RCC instituted the use of the phrase and churches have continued to follow that tradition rather than adhering to God's command.
 

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Maybe we have been missing something. In trying to reconcile Matthew 28:19 with scriptures like Romans 6:3 and Galatians 3:27, perhaps Matthew 28 is saying baptize “BY THE AUTHORITY OF” the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. We all know that “in the name of” means “by the authority of”; where as Romans 6:3 says we are baptized INTO Christ: also, Galatians 3:27 says we are baptized INTO Christ. Maybe this is the position of those who teach “Jesus only” doctrine. I certainly don’t agree with their doctrine, but I believe all scripture harmonizes with all other scriptures. Just trying to harmonize these different passages on baptism.

Would there be anything wrong with someone saying, “I baptize you by the authority of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost into Jesus Christ for the remission if your sins? I even think it would be acceptable to say “I baptize you in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy ghost into Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins.” I think we have perfectly harmonized Matthew 28,19, Roman’s 6:3, Galatians 3:27 and Acts 2:38! Surely, we have covered ALL the bases!
first let me clarify a point of what I’m saying . I’m in no way saying “ if someone’s baptized by a pastor who doesn’t understand and says “ I baptize you on the name of the father son and Holy Ghost “ I personally don’t believe God is going to hold that against the person and act as if they didn’t get baptized . I wanted to make that clear on my position

but his name is his name that’s the point as Christian’s we’re supposed to recognize that Jesus is the one savior of the world.

when we say “ the father and the son “ we aren’t saying two names thier titles .

This is the name it’s very simple

“And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭1:21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It doesn’t say “ call his name “ authority “ it say Jesus because that’s the name Jesus isn’t a title meaning authority it’s a name.

Try this one in tbe ot it’s sayong the same thing contrarily

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭9:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We wouldt say I baptize you on the name of the wonderful counselor or the name of the prince of peace because those are titles the name spoken of is always singular speaking about “ him “ not “ them “

jesus is where God is fully manifest to mankind in one person bodily

abut to reiterate , I’m. It trying to say anyones baptism isn’t effective or anything because someone didn’t realize it’s saying baptize in his name . I don’t believe God is waiting for technicalities to disqualify people. If they repented and confessed the lord and meant the baptism I think he’ll accept it fine . But it’s just a fools opinion who doesn’t have authority to decide those things .

all I was trying to say is the name we’re baptized into in the scripture is not really a debate or question if one sticks to the scripture
 

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The detailed accounts of baptism in the Book of Acts reveal water baptism is to be administered in the name of Jesus.

Forerunners of the RCC instituted the use of the phrase and churches have continued to follow that tradition rather than adhering to God's command.
“And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭1:21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,

and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38‬ ‭
 

Wansvic

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It was not I who said those baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not saved you did. Just did it in a subtle way and tried to use the word of God to justify your comments.
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Actually I shared God's word and you understood exactly what it conveyed. But sadly you reject it.

It was Jesus who said, "He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day." John 12:48
 

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I am posting this quote again because seriously if every example we have in the New Testament is IN THE NAME OF YESHUA why would water Baptism be different?

I find it odd that:
casting out demons I say IN THE NAME OF YESHUA
when I lay hands on the sick and pray I say IN THE NAME OF YESHUA
when praying someone to accept Salvation I say IN THE NAME OF YESHUA
whenever I feel the presence of evil I say IN THE NAME OF YESHUA
all throughout the New Testament it's IN THE NAME OF YESHUA


why would Baptism be different?

I have never said Satan, get thee behind me in the name of the Father or Holy Spirit... it's always 100% IN THE NAME OF YESHUA!

I cannot find anywhere in the New Testament they mentioned doing things in the name or authority of the Father or Holy Spirit. It's always 100% IN THE NAME OF YESHUA.

If everything and I mean everything even when praying we say Heavenly Father IN THE NAME OF YESHUA.........if everything is always 100% because it is in every example in the New Testament IN THE NAME OF YESHUA then why would water Baptism not also be IN THE NAME OF YESHUA?
 

Wansvic

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...If you did not repent and surrender to the Lord Jesus as the Holy Spirit convicted you of your need for forgiveness and salvation, water baptism is merely taking a bath if there is no faith and trust in the work of the Lord Jesus Christ, even if you were baptized in Jesus' name or not.
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I never said water baptism excluded the necessity to believe in Jesus, and repent. The topic being addressed is whether baptism in Jesus name is necessary for salvation.
 

Wansvic

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Mathew 7:21

Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.


Jesus said He has a Father, and it is His will that we do. You can say you were baptized in Jesus name or "Lord lord"


Mathew 7:22-24

22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Be baptized in Jesus name, yet Jesus can still say to you I never knew you.
Jesus expressed the problem was the foundation. Believers who hear His sayings and do not do them will hear the words, I never knew you. Whereas those who hear and do them are founded upon the rock; Jesus.

Matt 7:24-27
Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:

27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
KJV
 

Wansvic

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The more perfect way was the empowerment of the Holy Spirit which Before he met Aquila and Priscilla he had not experienced.
Not so.

Aquila and Priscilla instructed Apollos just as Paul did those who knew only John's baptism in Acts 19:1-7. They were re-baptized in the name of Jesus.

Acts 18:25
This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.

26 And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.

27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:

28 For he mightily convinced the Jews, and that publickly, shewing by the scriptures that Jesus was Christ.

19 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,

2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.


4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

7 And all the men were about twelve.

8 And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.

9 But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way
before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus.

10 And this continued by the space of two years; so that all they which dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord Jesus, both Jews and Greeks."
 

Wansvic

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Maybe we have been missing something. In trying to reconcile Matthew 28:19 with scriptures like Romans 6:3 and Galatians 3:27, perhaps Matthew 28 is saying baptize “BY THE AUTHORITY OF” the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. We all know that “in the name of” means “by the authority of”; where as Romans 6:3 says we are baptized INTO Christ: also, Galatians 3:27 says we are baptized INTO Christ. Maybe this is the position of those who teach “Jesus only” doctrine. I certainly don’t agree with their doctrine, but I believe all scripture harmonizes with all other scriptures. Just trying to harmonize these different passages on baptism.

Would there be anything wrong with someone saying, “I baptize you by the authority of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost into Jesus Christ for the remission if your sins? I even think it would be acceptable to say “I baptize you in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy ghost into Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins.” I think we have perfectly harmonized Matthew 28,19, Roman’s 6:3, Galatians 3:27 and Acts 2:38! Surely, we have covered ALL the bases!
Why reject what is written...?
 

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As long as people conflate the baptism OF the Spirit with baptism WITH the Spirit, error will follow.
Both being water baptized in the name of Jesus and receiving the Holy Ghost are essential for salvation.

It's reciprocal. We are buried into Christ through obedience to God's command, and He in turn comes to dwell in us.
 

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Both being water baptized in the name of Jesus and receiving the Holy Ghost are essential for salvation.

It's reciprocal. We are buried into Christ through obedience to God's command, and He in turn comes to dwell in us.
Being baptized WITH the Spirit is not the indwelling of the Spirit. That is an outward expression of the Spirit performed by Christ as per John the Baptist in Matthew 3:11. It is also what Jesus spoke of as the promise of the Father spoken of by Jesus to the disciples and prophesied by the prophet Joel which was beginning to be fulfilled the day of Pentecost. We find it being experienced by those who were converted throughout the book of Acts. It is an outward manifestation and a seal for believers.
You continue to conflate baptism OF the Spirit with baptism WITH the Spirit.
 

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who are you asking?
Those who are baptise in the name of Jesus only will not not admit that they believe those not baptised in be name of Jesus only are not saved. They won't cause they know they will be banned on here.

Goodness knows how many times they have been asked and they skip around it and they don't believe in the trinity, hence why you cannot baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit
And this right here is the crux of the matter.

 

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Both being water baptized in the name of Jesus and receiving the Holy Ghost are essential for salvation.

It's reciprocal. We are buried into Christ through obedience to God's command, and He in turn comes to dwell in us.
That may very well be your rallying cry for oneness people everywhere, but it is not found in scripture. We are not saved by what we do. We are saved only by Jesus sacrifice on our behalf.

I know you are familiar with OT scripture but you conveniently do not refer to the BLOOD sacrifice system God ordained which directly points to the blood of Christ being a better sacrifice. You will use OT scripture regarding some of what you believe but why are you not referring to the actual purpose of Christ's blood being the atoning sacrifice?

You know, your obstinate refusal to accept scripture while trying to shove oneness belief systems down everyone elses throat and insulting others is typical of those who have some kind of cult like belief apart from scripture. You will use scripture but only after taking verses out of context or trying to change the meaning of what is obvious but does not support your understanding.

When a person is born into the kingdom of God they are marked with the Holy Spirit and that is what scripture teaches. You endanger yourself and anyone else you try to hoover into your unbiblical persuasions with all your tongues tongues tongues and water baptism
 

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That may very well be your rallying cry for oneness people everywhere, but it is not found in scripture. We are not saved by what we do. We are saved only by Jesus sacrifice on our behalf.

I know you are familiar with OT scripture but you conveniently do not refer to the BLOOD sacrifice system God ordained which directly points to the blood of Christ being a better sacrifice. You will use OT scripture regarding some of what you believe but why are you not referring to the actual purpose of Christ's blood being the atoning sacrifice?

You know, your obstinate refusal to accept scripture while trying to shove oneness belief systems down everyone elses throat and insulting others is typical of those who have some kind of cult like belief apart from scripture. You will use scripture but only after taking verses out of context or trying to change the meaning of what is obvious but does not support your understanding.

When a person is born into the kingdom of God they are marked with the Holy Spirit and that is what scripture teaches. You endanger yourself and anyone else you try to hoover into your unbiblical persuasions with all your tongues tongues tongues and water baptism
I'm not trying to be indifferent here but when we read the circumstances surrounding Acts 2:38 over 8,000 people the Bible claims was saved and they did it by exactly doing as peter preached. 3,000 were immediately saved then we see the rest in the following days.

So if the Bible says they were saved then it's possible to do as Peter preached and be saved.