The Error is Baptism in Jesus name only for salvation

[DeanM]

OT they needed to take animals to sacrifice once and year to have sins removed. NT after JESUS ascended the second time, by GOD'S grace all we have to do is get baptized in JESUS name with would include the thief. JESUS is our lamb, and all we need to do is do it once.

Show me where the thief was baptised and show me how animal sacrifice was more than a stop gap. Been awhile since ive dug into the OT but seems the Spirit of God was in play at times.

 

[CS1]

There's names and I will provide them but this is names like Stott, Luther, and Calvin for starters.


Many scholars and theologians interpret Acts 19:1-7 as a scenario involving water baptism, where Paul encounters disciples of John the Baptist who have not yet received the Holy Spirit and are re-baptized "in the name of the Lord Jesus". This interpretation is based on verses 3, 4, and 5, which describe the disciples as having been baptized by John, Paul's instruction that they should believe in Jesus, and their subsequent baptism by Paul in the name of Jesus.

Key Arguments and Interpretations:
John's Baptism as a Precursor:
John the Baptist's baptism was a baptism of repentance, preparing the way for Jesus.

Paul's Baptism as a Complete Act:
Paul's baptism in the name of Jesus is seen as completing John's baptism and initiating the disciples into the Christian faith.

Receiving the Holy Spirit:
The disciples' subsequent receiving of the Holy Spirit after Paul's re-baptism is a clear indication that they were not yet fully Christian believers.

Emphasis on Belief in Jesus:
Verse 4 highlights that John's baptism was about believing in Jesus, which the disciples had not yet done before Paul's intervention.

Scholarly Views:
John Stott
interprets the passage as a time of transition where the disciples were still operating under the Old Covenant and had not yet fully grasped the new age ushered in by Jesus.

Martin Luther
emphasized the importance of the spoken word and the divine authority behind baptism.

John Calvin and the Westminster Divines
viewed baptism as a symbolic means through which God applies the benefits of salvation.

In Conclusion:
The interpretation of Acts 19:1-7 as a water baptism scenario is widely held among scholars and theologians, with arguments centering around the disciples' prior baptism by John, their subsequent re-baptism by Paul in the name of Jesus, and their reception of the Holy Spirit. However, alternative interpretations and counterarguments exist, highlighting the complexities of biblical interpretation.

Thank you FYI, Calvinists are not Oness, nor do they agree with your understanding of Acts 19

 

[CS1]

This is what you wrote in Post# 373:

"The teaching of Scripture is that remission only comes by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8-9)."

"Remission only" is nowhere mentioned in those verses, period!

You added this to your understanding of the verses in order to support faith alone regeneration theology.

Your insistence in adding an all-encompassing definitive such as "only" or "alone" is a red flag of a weak theology.

Ephesians 2:8-9 is a true but general statement such as "I am going to the store".

Does this mean that the person is going to the store alone?

Can you not show at least one verse that supports your faith alone regeneration theology without the need to surmise "alone"?!?!

Just one.

POST 373?

This below is post 373:
I will answer that. No, Belief in Christ and Repentance is. Baptism is an act of obedience.

In Acts, Peter tells a Roman named Cornelius that “whosoever believeth in [Christ] shall receive remission of sins” (Acts 10:43). Cornelius and those in his home did believe, and they received forgiveness in Christ.



God remits sin on the basis of Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross (Romans 3:24-25). The teaching of Scripture is that remission only comes by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8-9).


You are wrong I did not post that in post 373


Why did you leave out the very first part of Post 373?

"God remits sin on the basis of Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross (Romans 3:24-25). "

Because you could not refute it, and you're dishonest.

 

[CS1]

Any chance you can share where I said you are not saved? That would be great. Thank you.

Ok, I wll reword the question. Can you show me where ANYONE TOLD someone else to be baptized in the name of the father the son and the Holy Ghost.

Ps, being honest is not being rude!!!

In Post 516 Bill G asked and in another post you told

In Post 546, when he asked if he is saved, you said:

"No, how could you be ". Then interject what you believe is the rule of Jesus. There you go.

 

[Ouch]

Show me where the thief was baptised and show me how animal sacrifice was more than a stop gap. Been awhile since ive dug into the OT but seems the Spirit of God was in play at times.

I can't, being baptized in JESUS name didn't start until Acts 1.

 

[Wansvic]

Yes we have many posts from you wherein you state your belief. Nothing you post here changes anything I said though. Do you really think that 'whosoever will' only means oneness practitioners? never mind. you do.

See, the promise actually IS to everyone and the remission of sins is not brought about by water. It is through the blood of Jesus. We have the entire OT sacrificial system that was in effect through....BLOOD....not water. Thankfully, salvation is not dependent on your private interpretation or even the interpretation of your entire group.

It's not about denominations. Organized religions cover the Bible with their own manuals and expect their "members" to accept the organizations beliefs at the expense of biblical teachings.

The bottom line is the sum of God's word is truth. And we are instructed to share it with an attitude of love. People have a choice whether to accept or reject it.

 

[Ouch]

In Post 516 Bill G asked and in another post you told

In Post 546, when he asked if he is saved, you said:

"No, how could you be ". Then interject what you believe is the rule of Jesus. There you go.

Thank you.

This was the whole conversation, HE ASKED ME A QUESTION.

BillG
Here we go

Are you willing to tell me I am not saved because I was not baptised in the name of Jesus and don't speak in tongues?

You didn't answer that question.

Yes or no is suffice.

My reply
NO, how could you be!!! As I said HIS RULES.

He asked ME a question, notice he said HE WAS NOT BAPTIZED IN JESUS name AND HE DIDN'T RECEIVE THE HOLY GHOST!!

So he did NOT follow GOD'S rule book, not my rule book.

Would you have told him he was???

Any chance you can answer my 2 questions?

1. Show me where ANYONE was told to baptized someone in the name of the father the son and the Holy Ghost.

2. Have you received the Holy Ghost like in Acts 2:3-4 when JESUS filled HIS DISCIPLES?

 

[lrs68]

Thank you FYI, Calvinists are not Oness, nor do they agree with your understanding of Acts 19

Agreed and truth be told modern Calvinists don't agree with the origin John Calvin.

Glad you at least proved my point towards that 😉

 

[Mouse_Cheeks]

https://www.blueletterbible.org/Com...he-holy-spirit-called-the-spirit-of-jesus.cfm

"Jesus is no longer here to save us ..."

But he is. God's Holy Spirit enters in and leads,opens, the natural minds, consciousness ,of people so they can understand his Gospel.

I am not saying you are wrong—until I have read the scriptures that you use to teach this. I am not familiar with any scriptures that say this, right off hand, but you may be and I would just like to know what they are. Just asking for information.[/QUOTE]
Deductive reasoning by taking scripture in Context.

John 1. In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God.

And the word became flesh and dwelt among us.

Isaiah 7:14
Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Matthew 1:23 The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel” (which means “God with us”).

The Spirit of God is the Spirit of His Son.

 

[Wansvic]

is that a curve ball or what? do you go into hospitals and heal people? smh

Not a curve ball at all. I just geniunely wondered, because some speak in tongues in private prayer, etc. Yet, are never used to present God's message in unknown tongues that's miraculously interpreted for edification of those in the church setting.

 

[CS1]

Agreed and truth be told modern Calvinists don't agree with the origin John Calvin.

Glad you at least proved my point towards that 😉

at the expense of not dealing with the context of the topic.

 

[BillG]

He asked ME a question, notice he said HE WAS NOT BAPTIZED IN JESUS name AND HE DIDN'T RECEIVE THE HOLY GHOST!!

I didn’t say I did not receive the Holy Ghost.

I never say Holy Ghost I always refer as the Holy Spirit.

 

[BillG]

Thank you.

This was the whole conversation, HE ASKED ME A QUESTION.

BillG
Here we go

Are you willing to tell me I am not saved because I was not baptised in the name of Jesus and don't speak in tongues?

You didn't answer that question.

Yes or no is suffice.

My reply
NO, how could you be!!! As I said HIS RULES.

He asked ME a question, notice he said HE WAS NOT BAPTIZED IN JESUS name AND HE DIDN'T RECEIVE THE HOLY GHOST!!

So he did NOT follow GOD'S rule book, not my rule book.

Would you have told him he was???

Any chance you can answer my 2 questions?

1. Show me where ANYONE was told to baptized someone in the name of the father the son and the Holy Ghost.

2. Have you received the Holy Ghost like in Acts 2:3-4 when JESUS filled HIS DISCIPLES?

My post to you,

Here we go

Are you willing to tell me I am not saved because I was not baptised in the name of Jesus and don't speak in tongues?

You didn't answer that question.

Yes or no is suffice.

You respond
NO, how could you be!!! As I said HIS RULES.

You have lied.
I never said I didn’t receive the Holy Ghost.
Shame on you

 

[BillG]

My post to you,

Here we go

Are you willing to tell me I am not saved because I was not baptised in the name of Jesus and don't speak in tongues?

You didn't answer that question.

Yes or no is suffice.

You respond
NO, how could you be!!! As I said HIS RULES.

You have lied.
I never said I didn’t receive the Holy Ghost.
Shame on you

ps. I was baptised in the name of the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit

Did you lie to save face?

 

[BillG]

Thank you.

This was the whole conversation, HE ASKED ME A QUESTION.

BillG
Here we go

Are you willing to tell me I am not saved because I was not baptised in the name of Jesus and don't speak in tongues?

You didn't answer that question.

Yes or no is suffice.

My reply
NO, how could you be!!! As I said HIS RULES.

He asked ME a question, notice he said HE WAS NOT BAPTIZED IN JESUS name AND HE DIDN'T RECEIVE THE HOLY GHOST!!

So he did NOT follow GOD'S rule book, not my rule book.

Would you have told him he was???

Any chance you can answer my 2 questions?

1. Show me where ANYONE was told to baptized someone in the name of the father the son and the Holy Ghost.

2. Have you received the Holy Ghost like in Acts 2:3-4 when JESUS filled HIS DISCIPLES?

You don't have the pay grade to judge who is saved and who is not.
You are not God so don't play God.

I go with what Jesus said in Matthew.

 

[Ouch]

My post to you,

Here we go

Are you willing to tell me I am not saved because I was not baptised in the name of Jesus and don't speak in tongues?

You didn't answer that question.

Yes or no is suffice.

You respond
NO, how could you be!!! As I said HIS RULES.

You have lied.
I never said I didn’t receive the Holy Ghost.
Shame on you

Sorry you think that, you did say you have not spoke in tongues!!! When you receive the Holy Ghost you will speak in tongues. Acts 2:4, 2:8 and 10:44-45. Mark 16:17

 

[BillG]

Thank you.

This was the whole conversation, HE ASKED ME A QUESTION.

BillG
Here we go

Are you willing to tell me I am not saved because I was not baptised in the name of Jesus and don't speak in tongues?

You didn't answer that question.

Yes or no is suffice.

My reply
NO, how could you be!!! As I said HIS RULES.

He asked ME a question, notice he said HE WAS NOT BAPTIZED IN JESUS name AND HE DIDN'T RECEIVE THE HOLY GHOST!!

So he did NOT follow GOD'S rule book, not my rule book.

Would you have told him he was???

Any chance you can answer my 2 questions?

1. Show me where ANYONE was told to baptized someone in the name of the father the son and the Holy Ghost.

2. Have you received the Holy Ghost like in Acts 2:3-4 when JESUS filled HIS DISCIPLES?

By the way am I not saved as result of the mode of baptism or because I don't speak in tongues?

 

[DeanM]

I can't, being baptized in JESUS name didn't start until Acts 1.

So the thief wasnt baptised after all. Are you a oneness guy?

 

[BillG]

Sorry you think that, you did say you have not spoke in tongues!!! When you receive the Holy Ghost you will speak in tongues. Acts 2:4, 2:8 and 10:44-45. Mark 16:17

Did I say that I did not receive the Holy Ghost?

 

[BillG]

So the thief wasnt baptised after all. Are you a oneness guy?

Yes he is, as well as being liar twisting stuff.