What are you eating?

[yaright]

Ananda,

Lev 11:22
Of them you may eat: the locust of any kind, the bald locust of any kind, the cricket of any kind, and the grasshopper of any kind.

The Baptist, was a nazzerite. Compeltely followed the STRICTEST of dietary LAW. it was PRE Cross, so it was OT...so, yes John the baptist ATE locust. It was allowed. Some, i have read, say that John ate the fruit of the LOCUST tree(which they called locust) and that John was a strict vegetarian...i doubt that though, and dissagree.

So that was just some info, i thought you would find it interesting, and it wasnt really to argue.


Now about the LAW.

Noah in chapter 8 of Genesis Sacrificed Clean and unclean animals. that were on the ARC. Noah had allready been told what was clean and unclean...this was before mosaic law.

Gen 8:20
Then Noah built an altar to the Lord and, taking some of all the clean animals and clean birds, he sacrificed burnt offerings on it

HOWEVER, later, in chapter 9

Genesis 9:2-3
The fear and dread of you will fall upon all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air, upon every creature that moves along the ground, and upon all the fish of the sea; they are given into your hands. Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.

EVERYTHING that moves was NOW food. GOD made ALL thigns clean, why? because mans heart was clean, so nothing condemned him. NOAH was a picture of Righteousness IN Christ.

JESUS ended the LAW.

We are back to the righteousness of noah IF indeed we have entered the arc.

SO can One eat a pig? YES ALL is food for us, if taken in thanksgiving.

You can eat a Monkey if you REALLY want to...though i wouldnt advise it. (poor monkey...)

I dont think the LIFE blood thing is nulled though. Thats somthing God was ALWAYS was against. We are to drink JESUS blood(one of the many reaons why CHRIST is a stumbling block to the JEWS) but i still don't know if having life blood (raw meat) is somthing God would bless... Anyone have any veiws on that?

Life Blood, is that still something we should abstain from? i prefer my meat well done anyway, but thoughts?

You are absolutely correct in the things you've written. Concerning John the Baptist eating locust, this has a hidden (spiritual) meaning. All of the things you've written has a spiritual meaning concerning natures which can be found in men. I can say honestly that I do not know them all. But I recognize them as spiritual teaching. When these things of creation are spoken of in law, it is a way that reveals who we are and why we are that way in God's sight. A prophet asked, "God, why do You make men like fish of the sea; like creatures who wander as if they have no ruler over them?" This is one example of creation being used as a language of natures teaching us who we are and why we are that way in God's sight. The nature of sheep is also creation language revealing who we are and why we are that way in God's sight. If anyone can 'see' this, than why is it so difficult to accept that God made all of creation to teach us? There is no excuse, according to the Apostle Paul. The life of the creature nature which has not been slain by the word of God, is what you are looking for.

 

[Jack]

Your missing the point Jack and BTW The apostles could eat or drink anything and it would not harm them and your referrence of washing of hands is in err as well.
What it means is "if you can't say anything good say NOTHING. Your words are what convict you of sin if we boast or curse these things convict us THIS is the true meaning of the phrase read your bible more perhaps?

I'm not missing the point .. your words are confusing you take a verse and build a doctrinaire out of it .. our God is not a God of confusion you don't need to listen to the wind, breath a certain way or philosophie empty words to understand His word.

You have to understand when Christ said this the Jews were encased in a shell of tradition they gave more importance to how they were doing things as appose to why they were doing them .. they had become robots Jesus was trying to dust off this fake reasoning that man had imposed on the word of God. The bible is historical book as well as the word .. you have to take into account what was going on at the time to fully understand it not dream up pipe dreams .did you know that you can reason your way out of anything.. the devil is very good at that.. hence the saying the devil is in the detail.

read the bible more .. well of course Musk one can never read it enough

 

[jonathanbchristian]

I believe we should do more Christian things than we do other things. We should spend more time in prayer and Bible reading. We should spend more time listening to Christian music and reading Christian books. We should listen to Christian Radio. Spend more time on Christian Chat sites. We should spend more time at Church and special meetings. We should run the race. We should support missionaries and churches with our offerings. God bless the Church.

 

[CrimsonFlames]

Look guys., lets just agree this way shall we

its not what goes into a mans mouth that defiles him but what comes out.., however what you put in can pollute your temple and not help with your struggle against the flesh.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Unless it's really a lot of alcohol. Then one will be defiling themselves shortly... lol.

Look guys., lets just agree this way shall we

its not what goes into a mans mouth that defiles him but what comes out.., however what you put in can pollute your temple and not help with your struggle against the flesh.

 

[Ramon]

Wow deadflesh. Wow!! AMEN!!

May Jesus bless you!!

You are WAY past me in this understanding, though I have some understanding in it. The Lord is truly steering you into your calling, I thank the Lord for that!!

May Jesus bless you with MORE grace.

 

[yaright]

Deadflesh, concerning Noah, you wrote; "We are back to the righteousness of noah IF indeed we have entered the arc." There is a difference in the way sin is dealt with. In the time of Noah, God gave a command to give witness of His wrath to come, and none believed. Noah built an ark, and then waters of Heaven and earth came and covered all who lived in sin. This next part is a spiritual inflection concerning mankind who live in sin; The prophet Habakkuk ask, "God, why do You make men like fish of the sea; like creatures who wander as if they have no ruler over them?" Then God sent His Son, who gave His life so that those who hear the gospel of Jesus Christ and believe, would be delivered from that 'place' we first chose to go in our sin. What Noah was not able to do, Jesus did. So the righteousness of Jesus exceeded that of Noah. This one part is where we seem to differ in our understanding; I do not look to Noah for my deliverance, but to the righteousness of Jesus Christ, God's only begotten Son who was and is sent by the Word of God to deliver anyone who would hear and believe. I am also bringing together the teaching of waters in this witness.

 

[Ramon]

Deadflesh, concerning Noah, you wrote; "We are back to the righteousness of noah IF indeed we have entered the arc." There is a difference in the way sin is dealt with. In the time of Noah, God gave a command to give witness of His wrath to come, and none believed. Noah built an ark, and then waters of Heaven and earth came and covered all who lived in sin. This next part is a spiritual inflection concerning mankind who live in sin; The prophet Habakkuk ask, "God, why do You make men like fish of the sea; like creatures who wander as if they have no ruler over them?" Then God sent His Son, who gave His life so that those who hear the gospel of Jesus Christ and believe, would be delivered from that 'place' we first chose to go in our sin. What Noah was not able to do, Jesus did. So the righteousness of Jesus exceeded that of Noah. This one part is where we seem to differ in our understanding; I do not look to Noah for my deliverance, but to the righteousness of Jesus Christ, God's only begotten Son who was and is sent by the Word of God to deliver anyone who would hear and believe. I am also bringing together the teaching of waters in this witness.

I think I know what Deadflesh meant. As Noah was sort of like a picture of what would come, even about the arc. And surely, it all leads to the picture of Jesus Christ.

Deadflesh is learning, and I know he receives correction. I love to see my friends able to speak on this level, and come to the agreement in Jesus Christ.

May Jesus bless you.

 

[pickles]

Ananda,

Lev 11:22
Of them you may eat: the locust of any kind, the bald locust of any kind, the cricket of any kind, and the grasshopper of any kind.

The Baptist, was a nazzerite. Compeltely followed the STRICTEST of dietary LAW. it was PRE Cross, so it was OT...so, yes John the baptist ATE locust. It was allowed. Some, i have read, say that John ate the fruit of the LOCUST tree(which they called locust) and that John was a strict vegetarian...i doubt that though, and dissagree.

So that was just some info, i thought you would find it interesting, and it wasnt really to argue.


Now about the LAW.

Noah in chapter 8 of Genesis Sacrificed Clean and unclean animals. that were on the ARC. Noah had allready been told what was clean and unclean...this was before mosaic law.

Gen 8:20
Then Noah built an altar to the Lord and, taking some of all the clean animals and clean birds, he sacrificed burnt offerings on it

HOWEVER, later, in chapter 9

Genesis 9:2-3
The fear and dread of you will fall upon all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air, upon every creature that moves along the ground, and upon all the fish of the sea; they are given into your hands. Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.

EVERYTHING that moves was NOW food. GOD made ALL thigns clean, why? because mans heart was clean, so nothing condemned him. NOAH was a picture of Righteousness IN Christ.

JESUS ended the LAW.

We are back to the righteousness of noah IF indeed we have entered the arc.

SO can One eat a pig? YES ALL is food for us, if taken in thanksgiving.

You can eat a Monkey if you REALLY want to...though i wouldnt advise it. (poor monkey...)

I dont think the LIFE blood thing is nulled though. Thats somthing God was ALWAYS was against. We are to drink JESUS blood(one of the many reaons why CHRIST is a stumbling block to the JEWS) but i still don't know if having life blood (raw meat) is somthing God would bless... Anyone have any veiws on that?

Life Blood, is that still something we should abstain from? i prefer my meat well done anyway, but thoughts?

I have wondered and been asking about this alot as well.
Seeing much yet to be understood in this.
Blood is life, sacrifice, and washes us, it brings us recognised before God.
I do believe there is more, but rest this in Jesus.

I do wonder though why some refuse to recieve the understanding of not putting another under condemnation, it is an important part of the scriptures given by Paul as to what one eats.
Maby another thread though.

God bless.
pickles

 

[yaright]

I think I know what Deadflesh meant. As Noah was sort of like a picture of what would come, even about the arc. And surely, it all leads to the picture of Jesus Christ.

Deadflesh is learning, and I know he receives correction. I love to see my friends able to speak on this level, and come to the agreement in Jesus Christ.

May Jesus bless you.

I consider you a friend, and weigh the things you say carefully.

What I gave witness to, came on two levels; not only the signs of Noah's life leading to the teachings of Christ.

The next two levels;

Not only those who lived in sin and turned away from God's will, as if they had no ruler over them,

Not only those who lived in sin in the prophet Habakkuk's time, when he spoke of these waters by saying,

"God, why to You make men like fish of the sea;....

Then the fulfillment of the purpose of all these things concerning waters and those who live in sin;

Jesus said, "Follow Me, and I will make you fishers of men." Jesus alone began what could not be done.

And now, those of us who are saved when Jesus spoke in their hearts, and said, "Repent, pick up your cross and follow Me."

Those who follow in the teaching of Jesus are now empowered by the Spirit to give witness that will point towards Christ, and be saved.

Not only was Noah not able to do what Jesus had done, but you and I, and all who are of Christ, are enabled by the Spirit to give witness with understanding because we also were sinners who first chose sin.

Not only did I want to express the teaching of waters on a personal level; But also because there is a religion based on the righteousness of Noah which states that we need to GO BACK to the time when Noah built an ark and did not suffer in the waters of life and death because of sin. In this way of thinking, sin was never in us. How could we give an authenticated witness of God's wrath, and through this witness, save many by the conviction which comes from within? If we are like Noah, none would be saved.

I agree with Deadflesh; that in all things there is a direction which has purpose from not only yesterday, not only today, but even in the time to come.

 

[yaright]

God defined clean and unclean in Genesis 7:2 long before Moses. Since you think there is no unclean food so you believe we can eat anything?

If you say unclean food, than not all things which come from your mouth is clean. For the food given to God's children is clean food. You have lived in sin; and none of us can escape that. While in your sinful state, the food which came from you was unclean because you were an unclean creature. It is not until that creature you became was slain by the word of God that you became clean food. Unclean according to law is how Peter first viewed those who were sent to him; at the same time Peter had a vision of creatures that by law was unclean to him. The same number of people sent to Peter, is the same number of times the unclean creatures were drawn up into heaven. It this language of the nature of unclean creatures which were drawn up to our Father in Heaven, and then it was/ and is/ said, "What I have made clean, no man shall call unclean."

The reason many are not able to see this is they have not troubled themselves to carefully consider ALL was done before, during, and after Peter's vision.

 

[zone]

I consider you a friend, and weigh the things you say carefully.

What I gave witness to, came on two levels; not only the signs of Noah's life leading to the teachings of Christ.

The next two levels;

Not only those who lived in sin and turned away from God's will, as if they had no ruler over them,

Not only those who lived in sin in the prophet Habakkuk's time, when he spoke of these waters by saying,

"God, why to You make men like fish of the sea;....

Then the fulfillment of the purpose of all these things concerning waters and those who live in sin;

Jesus said, "Follow Me, and I will make you fishers of men." Jesus alone began what could not be done.

And now, those of us who are saved when Jesus spoke in their hearts, and said, "Repent, pick up your cross and follow Me."

Those who follow in the teaching of Jesus are now empowered by the Spirit to give witness that will point towards Christ, and be saved.

Not only was Noah not able to do what Jesus had done, but you and I, and all who are of Christ, are enabled by the Spirit to give witness with understanding because we also were sinners who first chose sin.

Not only did I want to express the teaching of waters on a personal level; But also because there is a religion based on the righteousness of Noah which states that we need to GO BACK to the time when Noah built an ark and did not suffer in the waters of life and death because of sin. In this way of thinking, sin was never in us. How could we give an authenticated witness of God's wrath, and through this witness, save many by the conviction which comes from within? If we are like Noah, none would be saved.

I agree with Deadflesh; that in all things there is a direction which has purpose from not only yesterday, not only today, but even in the time to come.

i enjoy your posts yaright.
have you considered the samaritan woman at the well and her 5 husbands (and the one she was with was not her husband) - reflecting samaria's 5 deities and their partial/superficial commitment to the I AM?
z

 

[lil_christian]

Ok here's my thought on the whole "Clean and unclean foods" thing: If all the things we have ate our whole lives are unclean (bacon, ham...), to be short, we'd be sick or dead.

 

[Laodicea]

Ok here's my thought on the whole "Clean and unclean foods" thing: If all the things we have ate our whole lives are unclean (bacon, ham...), to be short, we'd be sick or dead.

It is about obedience to God's word, even if we do not understand everything we are to be obedient to God's word.

 

[Laodicea]

If you say unclean food, than not all things which come from your mouth is clean. For the food given to God's children is clean food. You have lived in sin; and none of us can escape that. While in your sinful state, the food which came from you was unclean because you were an unclean creature. It is not until that creature you became was slain by the word of God that you became clean food. Unclean according to law is how Peter first viewed those who were sent to him; at the same time Peter had a vision of creatures that by law was unclean to him. The same number of people sent to Peter, is the same number of times the unclean creatures were drawn up into heaven. It this language of the nature of unclean creatures which were drawn up to our Father in Heaven, and then it was/ and is/ said, "What I have made clean, no man shall call unclean."

The reason many are not able to see this is they have not troubled themselves to carefully consider ALL was done before, during, and after Peter's vision.

You must be still thinking about it to keep on answering if you are convicted it is not good to fight against it.

 

[Ramon]

I consider you a friend, and weigh the things you say carefully.

What I gave witness to, came on two levels; not only the signs of Noah's life leading to the teachings of Christ.

The next two levels;

Not only those who lived in sin and turned away from God's will, as if they had no ruler over them,

Not only those who lived in sin in the prophet Habakkuk's time, when he spoke of these waters by saying,

"God, why to You make men like fish of the sea;....

Then the fulfillment of the purpose of all these things concerning waters and those who live in sin;

Jesus said, "Follow Me, and I will make you fishers of men." Jesus alone began what could not be done.

And now, those of us who are saved when Jesus spoke in their hearts, and said, "Repent, pick up your cross and follow Me."

Those who follow in the teaching of Jesus are now empowered by the Spirit to give witness that will point towards Christ, and be saved.

Not only was Noah not able to do what Jesus had done, but you and I, and all who are of Christ, are enabled by the Spirit to give witness with understanding because we also were sinners who first chose sin.

Not only did I want to express the teaching of waters on a personal level; But also because there is a religion based on the righteousness of Noah which states that we need to GO BACK to the time when Noah built an ark and did not suffer in the waters of life and death because of sin. In this way of thinking, sin was never in us. How could we give an authenticated witness of God's wrath, and through this witness, save many by the conviction which comes from within? If we are like Noah, none would be saved.

I agree with Deadflesh; that in all things there is a direction which has purpose from not only yesterday, not only today, but even in the time to come.

OH! I understand what you mean.

May Jesus bless you.

 

[AnandaHya]

I wonder if the flood waters of Noah has any connection with the flood mentioned in Revelations.....

 

[jonathanbchristian]

I am watching the Passion of the Christ; that's what I am eating.

 

[lil_christian]

It is about obedience to God's word, even if we do not understand everything we are to be obedient to God's word.

I still don't think God says anywhere in the New Testament that we have to eat certain things.

 

[Ramon]

I still don't think God says anywhere in the New Testament that we have to eat certain things.

You see my friend, what is happening here is what was revealed to be a carnal man trying to understand spiritual things with a carnal mind.

Jesus Christ was spiritual, but he knew that those who would hear his message were carnal minded. So, he had to speak of spiritual things to carnal minds, revealing a spiritual truth to those who would hear.

So, the mystery of the gospel is hidden from carnal minds, even the knowledge of God is hidden to the world, because the world lives in carnality.

God is Spirit, and those who worship him can only do so in Spirit and in Truth.

Some men came up to Jesus wandering why he didn't wash his hands before he ate (carnal men). And he said, that nothing that enters into a man defiles him, but what comes out of him defiles him. Neither does eating with unwashed hands defile him.

What Jesus knows is of spiritual matters, which are contrary to carnal answers. We see this same issue in this thread.

May Jesus bless you.