Loss of salvation???

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do they say this?

Zechariah 3:8-9​
'Hear, O Joshua, the high priest, you and your companions who sit before you, for they are a wondrous sign; for behold, I am bringing forth My Servant THE BRANCH.
For behold, THE STONE that I have laid before Joshua: upon the stone seven eyes. Behold, I will engrave its inscription,'
Says The LORD of Hosts,
'and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.'
No, they both show how to be reborn.
 

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Back that up how we get rid of our sins with scripture.
1 John 2:2
and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

2 Cor 5:19
that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.

John 3:16
Acts 16:31
 

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Acts 2:38-39

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38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Ephesians 4:5
one Lord, one faith, one baptism;

Christ's baptism is with the Holy Spirit which is why you receive the Holy Spirit when you are baptized in His name (person).
 

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1 John 2:2
and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

2 Cor 5:19
that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.

John 3:16
Acts 16:31
FYI, since he does not hear sinners if anyone who does not get rid of there sins are not reborn.

People who are not reborn will not enter.

Wonder why people just don't want to follow his word and get baptized in JESUS name.

Satan's plan keep them out of the water.
 

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I'd sack whoever you're getting your teaching from.
You didn't know JESUS rose on the third day and when to Heaven and put his blood on the mercy seat.


Hebrews 9:12

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12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
 

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You didn't know JESUS rose on the third day and when to Heaven and put his blood on the mercy seat.


Hebrews 9:12

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12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
And you didn't know He said it was finished before He left the Cross?

John 19:30
So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.

You take too many liberties with the scriptures. The verse you quote says nothing about going to heaven on the third day and putting his blood on the mercy seat. Christ came as the perfect temple, one not made with hands. He is the true Ark and the seat of mercy. He spilled His blood on the Cross for He took the punishment for our sin into His own body (temple) and nailed them to the Cross.

Heb.9:11-12
11 But Christ came as High Priest of the good things to come, with the greater and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation. 12 Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.

Colossians 2:14
having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
 
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So how do you get rid of your sins?
previously discussed.

you do not get rid of your sins.

you can't change your past nor can you choose your future. you don't cause yourself to be conceived and born. you don't raise yourself from the dead. you don't remove your own blindness.

can the leapord change its spots?

but there is an engraved Stone with seven eyes: He alone removes iniquity.

man does not save.
rituals do not save.
silver and gold are nothing to Him to which we give account.
 

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And you didn't know He said it was finished before He left the Cross?

John 19:30
So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.

You take too many liberties with the scriptures. The verse you quote says nothing about going to heaven on the third day and putting his blood on the mercy seat. Christ came as the perfect temple, one not made with hands. He is the true Ark and the seat of mercy. He spilled His blood on the Cross for He took the punishment for our sin into His own body (temple) and nailed them to the Cross.

Heb.9:11-12
11 But Christ came as High Priest of the good things to come, with the greater and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation. 12 Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.

Colossians 2:14
having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
Sorry I should have shared more verses.

John 20:15 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.

16 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.

17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

He was finished as a human on the cross BUT HE WAS NOT DONE HE'S ALIVE.

Thousands was finsihed as a human BUT ONE ROSE, if he didn't rise he would have just been like the rest.

HIM RISING makes it so we can rise when we get baptized in HIS name.

If we don't we never get rid of our sins.

If we don't get rid of our sins, along with repenting and being filled with HIS spirit we will not enter heaven.
 
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How could that work if he didn't put his blood on the mercy seat until 3 days later???

AND what he did has nothing to do with what we have to do.
do you not remember what Scripture says?

John 15:3​
You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you.
 
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Sorry I should have shared more verses.

John 20:15 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.

16 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.

17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

He was finished as a human on the cross BUT HE WAS NOT DONE HE'S ALIVE.

Thousands was finsihed as a human BUT ONE ROSE, if he didn't rise he would have just been like the rest.

HIM RISING makes it so we can rise when we get baptized in HIS name.

If we don't we never get rid of our sins.

If we don't get rid of our sins, along with repenting and being filled with HIS spirit we will not enter heaven.
ritual doesn't save.

Christ alone saves.
 
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when we get baptized
do you also believe He wasn't God until He was baptized?

Matthew 3:14-15​
And John [tried to] prevent Him, saying,
"I need to be baptized by You, and are You coming to me?"
But Jesus answered and said to him,
"Permit [it to be so] now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness."
Then he allowed Him.
 

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previously discussed.

you do not get rid of your sins.

you can't change your past nor can you choose your future. you don't cause yourself to be conceived and born. you don't raise yourself from the dead. you don't remove your own blindness.

can the leapord change its spots?

but there is an engraved Stone with seven eyes: He alone removes iniquity.

man does not save.
rituals do not save.
silver and gold are nothing to Him to which we give account.
I like keeping things simple, what do these verese say and mean?

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.