Why did God create Humans ?
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I would like to discuss this a bit further with you since i've seen your good temperament in discussions.
In a discussion we have some phases.
1. The phase where we communicate.
2. The phase where we try to understand each-other
3. The phase where we use different words and concepts so we can be better in understanding each-other.
4. The phase where we're clear about each-other's understanding.
5. The phase where we agree/disagree after we finally understand each-other.
6. The phase where we respect or forgive each-other.
I think we're on phase 2 here. A lot of people agree on quite a lot of topics i think, but how we express our ideas into words is where things get passionate and lost because the intent to be understood is not the primary focus anymore due to passion one has on a topic.
So with this being said, i kinda of understand a bit of what you're saying in terms of physicality but IN physicality Christ did Miracles which the rest of us can't do. So what does this mean? That He's not fully God?
I would say no. If i were to relate this to a video programmer, i would say that The Creator joined The Creation and tried to play by the rules of His Creation. Of course since He is the Creator He can also bend the rules of this Creation in the form of Miracles which tells us mortals Who are we dealing with.
Does this make sense to you when it's put in this context as opposed to separating things and triggering people in the process?
In a discussion we have some phases.
1. The phase where we communicate.
2. The phase where we try to understand each-other
3. The phase where we use different words and concepts so we can be better in understanding each-other.
4. The phase where we're clear about each-other's understanding.
5. The phase where we agree/disagree after we finally understand each-other.
6. The phase where we respect or forgive each-other.
I think we're on phase 2 here. A lot of people agree on quite a lot of topics i think, but how we express our ideas into words is where things get passionate and lost because the intent to be understood is not the primary focus anymore due to passion one has on a topic.
So with this being said, i kinda of understand a bit of what you're saying in terms of physicality but IN physicality Christ did Miracles which the rest of us can't do. So what does this mean? That He's not fully God?
I would say no. If i were to relate this to a video programmer, i would say that The Creator joined The Creation and tried to play by the rules of His Creation. Of course since He is the Creator He can also bend the rules of this Creation in the form of Miracles which tells us mortals Who are we dealing with.
Does this make sense to you when it's put in this context as opposed to separating things and triggering people in the process?
He is stuck in semantics.
Jesus Himself? Alone? Is God?
God is a Trinity!
So?
The Father is God.
The Son is God.
The Holy Spirit is God.
Me thinks Mr.E is playing word games by claiming Jesus alone is not God.
That God is only the Father... Not the Son. Not the Holy Spirit.
He is wrapping up a confusion sandwich and telling us to eat.
Anti Trinity guys thrive on stirring up confusion.
I hope Mr. E is just a bit inept in trying to express what he thinks.
We shall see.
Colossians 2:9
For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,
Isaiah 9:6
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 8:58
Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”
John 10:30
I and the Father are one.”
John 20:28
Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”
For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,
Isaiah 9:6
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 8:58
Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”
John 10:30
I and the Father are one.”
John 20:28
Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”
Jesus can be both.
If He chooses to? He can be fully Man.
For He has both a Soul and Deity in union.
Humanity has nothing to do with the body.
Its the soul!
It is often obscured by lack of concentration, but covered in the Torah.
Overlooked often when read.
Note! Deity is not soul.
God is spirit...
Yet, the Lord God of Israel (pre-incarnate Jesus) was possessing two natures in Union. Soul and Deity.
And, was functioning as the Lord God of Israel!
It is not as simple as some of us want it to be.
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If He chooses to? He can be fully Man.
For He has both a Soul and Deity in union.
Humanity has nothing to do with the body.
Its the soul!
It is often obscured by lack of concentration, but covered in the Torah.
Overlooked often when read.
And they began to remove the foreign gods from their midst and to serve Jehovah,
so that *his soul* became impatient because of the trouble of Israel. Judges 10:16
Jehovah himself examines the righteous one as well as the wicked one, and anyone
loving violence *his soul* certainly hates." Psalm 11:5
Note! Deity is not soul.
“God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth” (John 4:24).
God is spirit...
Yet, the Lord God of Israel (pre-incarnate Jesus) was possessing two natures in Union. Soul and Deity.
And, was functioning as the Lord God of Israel!
'You will eat the old supply and clear out the old because of the new. Moreover,
I will make My dwelling among you, and My soul will not reject you.
'I will also walk among you and be your God, and you shall be My people." Lev 26:10-12
It is not as simple as some of us want it to be.
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The Holy Trnity (Genesis 1:27) made humans to be His children, to be family. We are even called children of God, “For you are all children of God through faith in Christ Jesus.” (Galatians 3:26).
Oppose to angels who have positions and tasks. We were meant to be loved by Him, to love Him and one another which Jesus illustrates,
“ Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” (Matthew 22:36-40)
Oppose to angels who have positions and tasks. We were meant to be loved by Him, to love Him and one another which Jesus illustrates,
“ Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” (Matthew 22:36-40)
Moral free will, which is opposed to TULIP, meaning total depravity, unconditional election, limited atonement, irresistible grace and perseverance is guaranteed. A systematic study of the doctrine of election is being conducted on the Hermeneutic thread. The game of ping pong is being played on the Understanding God's Election thread.
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Apparetnly putting this info in my profile isn't sufficient:
Acronyms used my threads and on our website:
GW = God’s Word (Scripture), OT = Old Testament (Covenant),
NT = New Testament, [GN, EX, LV, NM, DT;MT, MK, ACTS, RM, 1CR, etc.] = bible books, HS = Holy Spirit, JC = Jesus Christ (or Christ Jesus),
LGW = learn/ing GW, TOJ = teachings of Jesus, TOP = teachings of Paul (& Peter), POS = plan of salvation, GRFS = God’s requirement for salvation,
MFW = moral free will (volition), KOTH = king of the hill (struggle), PP = propensity principle (logical reasons to believe in God), UMI = universal moral imperative (God’s will), DOD = duo of desirables (heaven & hell),
TULIP = God makes elect do His will, KOG/H = kingdom of God/heaven, SOP = God’s standard (normative) operating procedure, RC = Roman Catholicism, RE/BE = Roman/Byzantine empire or emperor, EP = evangelical protestant.
Website: <truthseekersfellowship.com>
Acronyms used my threads and on our website:
GW = God’s Word (Scripture), OT = Old Testament (Covenant),
NT = New Testament, [GN, EX, LV, NM, DT;MT, MK, ACTS, RM, 1CR, etc.] = bible books, HS = Holy Spirit, JC = Jesus Christ (or Christ Jesus),
LGW = learn/ing GW, TOJ = teachings of Jesus, TOP = teachings of Paul (& Peter), POS = plan of salvation, GRFS = God’s requirement for salvation,
MFW = moral free will (volition), KOTH = king of the hill (struggle), PP = propensity principle (logical reasons to believe in God), UMI = universal moral imperative (God’s will), DOD = duo of desirables (heaven & hell),
TULIP = God makes elect do His will, KOG/H = kingdom of God/heaven, SOP = God’s standard (normative) operating procedure, RC = Roman Catholicism, RE/BE = Roman/Byzantine empire or emperor, EP = evangelical protestant.
Website: <truthseekersfellowship.com>
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