Loss of salvation???

[sawdust]

Then we have to work for him

And what is the work we must do?

John 6:28-29
28 Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?”
29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”

This is why salvation is by grace through faith.

 

[Ouch]

I didn't say it, it's what the scripture says.

Why don't you explain to everyone why you think you can get rid of your sin when the scripture plainly states Jesus does?

Scripture CLEARLY states we do!!

EXPLAIN THESE VERSES.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

 

[Ouch]

And what is the work we must do?

John 6:28-29
28 Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?”
29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”

This is why salvation is by grace through faith.

IF YOUR REBORN, SIN WILL NOT ENTER HEAVEN.

it's a life long jurnery.

Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

 

[posthuman]

and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me

says here the ones He "never knew" are those who thought that they kept their salvation by doing works for His name.

Then we have to work for him

Romans 11:6​

And if by grace, then no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.​

 

[posthuman]

he that shall endure

endure in what?

works?

 

[posthuman]

EXPLAIN

John 13:8​

Peter said to Him, ​

"You shall never wash my feet!" ​

Jesus answered him, ​

"If I do not wash you, you have no part with Me."​

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John 4:2 ​

Jesus Himself did not baptize​

 

[posthuman]

SIN WILL NOT ENTER HEAVEN

so, when is the last time you personally sinned?

how often do you get baptized?
once a day? two or three times? more?

 

[Musicmaster]

Your beleive i WRONG and can't back it up with HIS WORD!!

Do you care what HIS word says?

Yes. I do. What is tragic is that the scriptures I have posted over and over to your requests for scripture, you continue to ignore scripture in order to deny what it says. Acceptance of what scripture says would entail you changing your doctrinal stance, and you have demonstrated that scripture really doesn't matter. You hold to what you believe at the expense of Truth. There are many others of that same stripe, otherwise known as Gnostic dogmatic.

MM

 

[Musicmaster]

You were told, several times, but you continue to confuse regeneration (born again) with the baptism with the Spirit.

Those who were added were the ones baptized with the Spirit adding them to the Church, the body of Christ.

Being humble means one is willing to learn. You have not shown any willingness to change your mind on anything no matter what you are shown.

Anyone can quote scripture (which is all you do), but understanding it is another matter.

It's useless to converse with any and all of those who ignore questions asked of them and ignore the scripture references that they demanded be provided, and still ignored. All the evidence in the world means nothing to those who hold to Gnostic indifference to evidence to the contrary. Wasted typing time, although not always a total loss due to the blessing to other readers, the targets who are of that mindset generally are a waste of time.

MM

 

[Wilson0411]

Before one can loose "Salvation" one has to define exactly what Salvation is first!

I do know that Salvation itself is a Free Gift from God, however, I also believe that although Salvation is Free, the path to one's salvation is not Free! This is why Jesus told His followers that few will make it through the narrow gate (Matthew 7:13-14) and Jesus was / is God in the living flesh and blood (according to the book of John)!

What I believe Salvation is, is getting to the Father by physically acting upon Jesus's teachings!

John 14:6: "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

James 2:17 > Faith without action is useless.

Therefor one must continue acting upon the teachings of Jesus till one is able to get the Father to reveal Himself! Once the Father reveals Himself then that individual has their foot in the gates of Heaven and the gift of eternal life ( > Salvation)!

Before one can loose "Salvation" one has to define exactly what Salvation is first!

I do know that Salvation itself is a Free Gift from God, however, I also believe that although Salvation is Free, the path to one's salvation is not Free! This is why Jesus told His followers that few will make it through the narrow gate (Matthew 7:13-14) and Jesus was / is God in the living flesh and blood!

What I believe Salvation is, is getting to the Father by physically acting upon Jesus's teachings!

John 14:6: "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

James 2:17 > Faith without action is useless.

Therefor one must continue acting upon the teachings of Jesus till one is able to get the Father to reveal Himself! Once the Father reveals Himself then that individual has their foot in the gates of Heaven and the gift of eternal life ( > Salvation)!

 

[Musicmaster]

IF YOUR REBORN, SIN WILL NOT ENTER HEAVEN.

it's a life long jurnery.

Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

You know nothing of which you speak. Jesus addressed that to us Jews, not you Gentiles. You Gentiles who continue to try and steal from us what was meant for us alone, you're a pathetic bunch who hold to replacement theology.

MM

 

[Musicmaster]

Elements of Replacement Theology continue to resonate in many people's thinking around here. What Jesus told Israel about salvation is NOT what applies today under the Gospel of Grace. We are saved by grace through faith, period, and that not ourselves, lest any man should boast, but a gift from God. Adding to that what was meant only for us Jews at that time, that's stealing what you Gentiles clearly should not want for yourselves. None of us is saved on the basis of effort or works, and thinking one must maintain salvation on the basis of works and/or refraining from certain sins, that is STILL works-based salvation, which cannot save anyone.

MM

 

[Dus]

Wow this is a big topic. God is so much bigger than us, and there are some things we will never have a definitive answer to. But here's my take on it!

This is something that we actually discussed in this weeks mens group by pure chance. My answer to the question was basically, ask God, I don't know for sure, but here's my opinion. We are working our way through Luke 12:35-48, and most relevant to this discussion up to verse 39. Something we read was the parable of the 10 virgins, where 5 were foolish and 5 were wise bringing spare oil. The foolish ran out of oil and while they were buying more the bridegroom came and they were shut out of the marriage feast.

My take on this is, if you have drifted so far from God that you don't even feel saved anymore (and don't get me wrong we all stumble a little sometimes), then I would think it debatable if you were truly saved in the first place. I know that for most of the my life I've been a Christian, I'd go to church every week, I looked great and Godly on the outside, but I wasn't truly saved, I was just pretending. But God knew. I was one of the foolish virgins, and though in the past I'd felt like I'd genuinely committed my life to the Lord. I wasn't walking the walk.

If Jesus had returned when I was in that place, I just can't feel it would have been right for me to have been allowed into heaven, because I wasn't in the right place then.

Now things are different - I love the Lord, I commit myself to my walk with him daily, and now I know, I KNOW I'm saved. But perhaps more pertinent to this discussion is that now I'm here, I am NEVER going back. God is my all and I'm not willing to sacrifice that for anything.

So from my perspective at least - if you are truly saved, you have that personal relationship with God, and reinforce that daily. And when you get to that place, there's no desire to go back because you know what you now have, and where you've come from - and that stays with you always.

 

[posthuman]

The foolish ran out of oil

it isn't that these foolish ones didn't take 'enough' - - they never had any oil to begin with

Matthew 25:3​

Those who [were] foolish took their lamps and took no oil with them​

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you can set a wick on fire with no oil, but it's not going to stay lit long; it will just quickly burn up the wick.

if the oil represents the Spirit of God - that having it is salvation, can you 'borrow' salvation from someone else?
can you buy or sell salvation?
how much salvation is 'enough'?

 

[posthuman]

The foolish ran out of oil and while they were buying more

this oil cannot be bought or sold; it is the free gift of God

 

[Dus]

I stand corrected, thank you Posthuman!

 

[lrs68]

Elements of Replacement Theology continue to resonate in many people's thinking around here. What Jesus told Israel about salvation is NOT what applies today under the Gospel of Grace. We are saved by grace through faith, period, and that not ourselves, lest any man should boast, but a gift from God. Adding to that what was meant only for us Jews at that time, that's stealing what you Gentiles clearly should not want for yourselves. None of us is saved on the basis of effort or works, and thinking one must maintain salvation on the basis of works and/or refraining from certain sins, that is STILL works-based salvation, which cannot save anyone.

MM

I see it with the Branch Doctrine of removed and grafted in. But it speaks merely on the level of individuals not the nation or conglomeration of one people versus another. It's true that [(some natural branches)] were removed and many Gentile branches were grafted in. But it's purely individual based.