Making a case for women in leadership

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Aaron56 said:
Did you NOT mean that Eve's equality with Adam is important even though Christ did not think equality with God was something to be grasped?
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Jesus' concern wasn't to aspire for and obtain God's authority, but many 'authoritative' people marveled that He spoke with authority. If Peter's answer didn't bolster Him in any degree when He asked, "who do you say that I am?" nor would any other answer have discouraged Him of Who He Is.
 
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Karlon said:
1. i don't know what country you live in but pastoralship is a word in the u.s.a.
2. you are correct on straight. thanks.
3. 1st Corinthians 14:34 also teaches women are to be silent in the church. the word usurp is translated as "have". women are not to "have' authority over men. in the church.
4. if you read & understand these verses mentioned anyone will see women are to not be pastors.
5. Psalm 98:5- "sing unto the Lord with a harp, with a harp & the voice of a psalm". too, stringed instruments existed back then. there were 1 & 2 stringed instruments.
6. Adrian Rogers has a great teaching on women pastoralship. check it out. we are not getting along on this subject so let's part amicably. blessings to you.
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Regular context is missing on Corinthians. So is the historical context. So is the cultural context.
Please note that 3 major books are used: 1&2 Corinthians, Ephesians, & 1&2 Timothy, because he is the Overseer of the house churches of Ephesus.
IDOL WORSHIP involving women priests causes the new female christians to be liberal & unsubmissive To the Lord. This is found in both the cultural & historical context.
Another scripture's surrounding context shows the "women teaching men thing" was actually about wives were not to use authority over their husbands which in today's society is called 'henpecking' them. The man is the spiritual head of the house.
 
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I find it immature that people will not study to show themselves approved by God, but will parrot their favorite teacher/preacher without doing a single Berean search to prove anything.
Not only that, they will spit out single verses like a Rook player throwing a trump card to win a hand.:rolleyes:
 
Aaron56 said:
Perhaps I should have asked a clarifying question.

Can you explain what you meant by this:



Did you NOT mean that Eve's equality with Adam is important even though Christ did not think equality with God was something to be grasped?
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I believe that God created men and women as equals: spiritually, positionally, mentally, emotionally, and relationally. He made them different physically.

That Jesus did not "grasp" equality with God has no bearing on the nature of the two genders. It has little bearing on anything else outside of His identity during His earthly sojourn.
 
NightTwister said:
It holds water everywhere, except with you.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. - John 1:1 ESV
All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, - 2 Timothy 3:16 ESV
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Show me the verse(s) in the Law to which Paul referred in 1 Cor 14:34, and I'll accept your position as sound.
 
Edify said:
I find it immature that people will not study to show themselves approved by God, but will parrot their favorite teacher/preacher without doing a single Berean search to prove anything.
Not only that, they will spit out single verses like a Rook player throwing a trump card to win a hand.:rolleyes:
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Is it equally immature not to say who you believe these individuals are so they have opportunity to defend such claims?
 
Edify said:
No it is not, Naming names only stirs up strife.
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But making sweeping statements about others without giving opportunity to show their reasoning is mature? It's actually just a form of virtue signaling.
 
Out of all God's spiritual gifts, many believe to have Discernment.
That's actually not true, because most who claim to have it cannot discern the lack of humility & compassion in this thread.
Because of this, they can't see they're being reeled into an argument, destroying their christian character.
 
Edify said:
Out of all God's spiritual gifts, many believe to have Discernment.
That's actually not true, because most who claim to have it cannot discern the lack of humility & compassion in this thread.
Because of this, they can't see they're being reeled into an argument, destroying their christian character.
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Please note that I'm not attempting to accuse anyone of anything.
My hope is that everyone would stop a minute to consider the lack of love, humility, and compassion that's in this thread right now & pray before your next post.:love:
 
Again, huh? :)

I have already proven with Scripture that Paul's statement concerning women having rule over men (in the Congregation) was his OPINION. Due to the state of affairs at the time he wrote to the Church in Corinth.

There IS NOT one Scripture in the entire Bible where GOD stated women could not rule over men. NOT ONE!
 
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p_rehbein said:
Again, huh? :)

I have already proven with Scripture that Paul's statement concerning women having rule over men (in the Congregation) was his OPINION. Due to the state of affairs at the time he wrote to the Church in Corinth.

There IS NOT one Scripture in the entire Bible where GOD stated women could not rule over men. NOT ONE!
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perhaps it is needed to be proven again or perhaps people will not accept it due to it contradicting their core beliefs or perhaps people just like arguing either way I will say this it seems that threads like this bring out the best and worst in people it also seems that if scripture cannot sway the oppositing view then nothing will
 
Blain said:
yes but our understanding of it is the issue and also translation comes into play as well.
When Jesus spoke he never once mentioned the issues we are talking about and if every word is the word of God then why does the king james speak the word hell when no other translation does? not to mention the original texts don't either. so what if we are reading the scriptures in a deluded lens?

So while yes every word is spoken by the spirit our understanding of it would make it say something it isn't. if you take just a single verse out of context it messes everything else up and in this case we cannot take puals words out of context we have to understand the whole chapter then understand that the rest of God's word is related to it like how he made a women a judge or women proiphesying preaching the gospel even teaching all this was done in the bible so clearly Paul was speaking of something else
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It's there because God wanted it there. If you want to make the argument that it means something other than what the text clearly says, feel free to do so, but the burden of proof is on you.
 
NightTwister said:
It's there because God wanted it there. If you want to make the argument that it means something other than what the text clearly says, feel free to do so, but the burden of proof is on you.
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Hello !

King James had His scholas translate writings of other languages, so that He could read Them in His English. Whenever One text is translated into another, Things in It change by nature of the difference between languages. So Error is automatic to an extent. My opinion is then, to focus on the meaning of The Content.
That is just My opinion.

DeepSeeker
 
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