Does man have a freewill ?

[DeepSeeker]

Taking a close reading of 1 Cor. 1:11 reveals what is taking place Today with what is loosely called, Christianity. Consider what The Apostle Paul said.
For it has been made clear to Me, Mt brethren, by those of Chloe's household, that there are contentions and wrangling and factions among you.

Are there contentions Today among all These Denominations? There certainly is! Let the reader read that for themselves! Is Your Denomination better than Thiers? Or are They both false?

Why are there denominations Today if there should be unity in The Spirit? Why; Beause The Evil One is still at work on this Earth.
Give that some thought!

DeepSeeker

 

[lrs68]

All who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ are saved.

But they can reject Him?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

If God births faith in an individual, they believe. They are saved. Choice isn't part of the equation.

No

If A persons comes to faith in God. God will give them new birth

 

[lrs68]

sadly, it appears we have resorted to reformed theological thinking to the point, they keep saying the same things over and over, even asking things we have already answered numerous tims

Yeah, circular reasoning has reared up again lol

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Truth is often found in the minority.

thats not always the case

 

[Cameron143]

this is what you have been saying



Now your denying you said this?

People don't draw, God does. There is no power in people to draw. The power is of God and it is meant to be understood that way...2 Corinthians 4:7-10. People aren't drawing. God is.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

People have Faith in Science and Mathematics so Faith doesn't always end up in Salvation. The Bible also doesn't claim all who believe will be saved. It actually instructs the demons believe and none of them are saved.

Yes. it is where our faith is placed.

everyone has faith.. It is just not always in God. and even among those who claim they have faith in God. it is well know. this faith is not a living faith. it is dead. and literally they have faith in themselves.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Either He produced it in you or you you chose. Both are not true.

I chose. because he proved himself trustworthy

He did not force me to believe. by making me alive IN SIN, and making it so his grace was so irresistible. I could not reject him..

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

People don't draw, God does.

You said God does not use people to draw.. Now your backpeddling, when i said God does use people to draw them. and saying that is what you have been saying

There is no power in people to draw.

I never said there was. again stop lookin gthrough reformed glasses. Yuo are seeing things people are not saying, your talking from a reformed texbook. not actually listening to what people are saying so you can proerly respond to them

The power is of God and it is meant to be understood that way...2 Corinthians 4:7-10. People aren't drawing. God is.

GOD uses manyu things to draw people to him

romans 1 says he uses creation

Paul says we are to be lights in the world. a light draws people from darkness. So when we are doing this, God uses us to draw people to himself (how many people have asked about we we do things or why we are so joyful when our life is in shambles) and this gives the opportunity to give the gospel.

I do not know why you appear to want to limit God.. I am sure you do not think this, but this is how it appears.

 

[Cameron143]

I chose. because he proved himself trustworthy

He did not force me to believe. by making me alive IN SIN, and making it so his grace was so irresistible. I could not reject him..

You chose. You were the arbiter of your salvation.

 

[Cameron143]

You said God does not use people to draw.. Now your backpeddling, when i said God does use people to draw them. and saying that is what you have been saying


I never said there was. again stop lookin gthrough reformed glasses. Yuo are seeing things people are not saying, your talking from a reformed texbook. not actually listening to what people are saying so you can proerly respond to them


GOD uses manyu things to draw people to him

romans 1 says he uses creation

Paul says we are to be lights in the world. a light draws people from darkness. So when we are doing this, God uses us to draw people to himself (how many people have asked about we we do things or why we are so joyful when our life is in shambles) and this gives the opportunity to give the gospel.

I do not know why you appear to want to limit God.. I am sure you do not think this, but this is how it appears.

God draws through people at times. He employs human agency, but the individual isn't drawing, but God. There is no power in an individual to draw. God often uses circumstances to draw people. Do the circumstances have the power to draw?

 

[Magenta]

I use "Calvinist" and "Reformed" interchangeably. Is there any part of TULIP that you disagree with?

My beliefs are Biblically based. Man's inability is taught in Arminianism and Molinism, also.

Many overlook this and act as if only Calvinists teach it. In other words they are ignorant.

Do you think I am a Calvinist because I believe the natural man is a slave to sin and it is Jesus Who sets us free?

It is the Bible which says the natural man is a slave to sin and it is Jesus Who sets us free.

Do you think I am a Calvinist because I believe the natural man is hostile in his mind toward God?

It is the Bible which says the natural man is hostile in his mind toward God.

Do you think I am a Calvinist because I believe the natural man is opposed to the spiritual things of God?

It is the Bible which says the natural man is opposed to the spiritual things of God.

Do you think I am a Calvinist because I believe the natural man is unable to submit to God's law?

It is the Bible which says the natural man is unable to submit to God's law.

Do you think I am a Calvinist because I believe the natural man is a lover of darkness?

It is the Bible which says the natural man is a lover of darkness.

Do you think I am a Calvinist because I believe the natural man refuses to come into the light?

It is the Bible which says the natural man refuses to come into the light.

Do you think I am a Calvinist because I believe the natural man is under the power and influence of the devil?

It is the Bible which says the natural man is under the power and influence of the devil.

Do you think I am a Calvinist because I believe the natural man is unable to comprehend the gospel?

The Bible says the natural man hears the gospel as foolishness. That means he does not understand it.

Free willers claim the natural man will choose to believe what he considers to be nonsense.

Do you think I am a Calvinist because I affirm what Jesus said about a bad tree bringing forth good fruit?

I believe what Jesus said. A bad tree cannot bring forth good fruit. Faith is a good fruit. Man's heart
needs to be replaced so it may love God. It is with the heart one believes. Only God can change
the heart of the unbeliever. That obviously happens before one believes. All good comes from God.

The law of sin and death came into effect in the garden of Eden. Romans 8 verse 2 contrasts the "law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus" with the "law of sin and death." ... supported by Romans 5 verse 12 (death came to all men because all sinned) and 6 verse 23 (the wages of sin is death). Not sure how you were saying being set free is wrong? Should I change the verse citation? I must be back to work now as my lunch break is over. But, I do not believe God makes it impossible for any to believe but then He will eternally punish someone for not choosing what was not made available to him in the first place. That has always seemed a very weak link in the Calvinistic chain of thought. But God does choose, and not based on anything we do. Salvation is of the will and desire of God and not the will of man. The Bible says so. When asked how any could get to heaven, Jesus said it was impossible with man, but possible with God. Yes, you will say that was in relation to following the law but it extends beyond that also, just as there are none righteous and all have gone astray and none seek after God does not just apply to ancient peoples. Some say such things as if we are somehow different.

Psalm 14 verse 1-3; Job 15 verse 16 ~ The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt; their acts are vile. There is no one who does good. The LORD looks down from heaven upon the sons of men to see if any understand, if any seek God. All have turned away, they have together become corrupt; there is no one who does good, not even one. Man is vile and corrupt.

 

[Cameron143]

But they can reject Him?

Not if they have faith. They are saved.

One either has faith or not. You cannot be in belief and unbelief at the same time.

When one believes, they are saved. If someone rejects God, they don't believe. If they have faith, they are saved.

 

[lrs68]

Do the circumstances have the power to draw?

You know this is so interesting because it closely relates to God manifesting Himself through Creation and People in Romans 1.

Eventually, you will have to admit that in Romans 1 that example rejected God but it's possible in other same kind of manifestations to different people did draw people to God because the manifestations comes from God like the circumstances from the post of yours I have quoted.

 

[lrs68]

Not if they have faith. They are saved.

One either has faith or not. You cannot be in belief and unbelief at the same time.

When one believes, they are saved. If someone rejects God, they don't believe. If they have faith, they are saved.

Yeah, if you come to the point of believing in Jesus you will always believe...this I do believe myself

 

[Lamar]

that particular audience

Who or what is "that particular audience"? IOW, who are the invited but not chosen?

Not sure what you mean by willful unrepentant sin.

Is claiming that you had some part in your decision to obey God not a sin in your world?

 

[Lamar]

Yeah, if you come to the point of believing in Jesus you will always believe...this I do believe myself

Always believe?

Does apostasy not exist?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

You chose. You were the arbiter of your salvation.

whatever, Your wrong. But I am sick of trying to prove that to you

it is the work of God we believe

we are saved by grace THROUGH faith. not of works.

Faith is not a work of man in which he can boast of saving himself. this is reformed theology. this is not found in the word of God

when your ready to look at the word. and stop looking at your doctrine. come talk to me.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

God draws through people at times.

You said he does not do this

are you willing to admit you were wrong when you said that now?

 

[Cameron143]

Who or what is "that particular audience"? IOW, who are the invited but not chosen?



Is claiming that you had some part in your decision to obey God not a sin in your world?

The Jewish audience. Paul confirms this in Romans where he speaks of a remnant saved by grace.
No, it's simply ignorance. No one believes correctly about everything.