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Let's say everyone has repented of their sins and accepted Christ as their savior. What happens if some of those folks were never taught or read God's word to be forewarned that Satan would come to earth first, before Jesus, claiming to be him as written in II Thes 2:3-4. What if these folks ended up worshipping Satan thinking he was God due to the signs, lies and deceptions that he will perform, Rev 13:11-14. Out of ignorance, they would fall away thinking Satan as Antichrist has come to take them away.
So what happens when the real Christ returns expecting to find a virgin bride but the bride is found in bed with Satan being deceived. Math 24:50-51, The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him and in an hour that he is not aware of...there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Why? Because those folks weren't looking for Christ because they thought he was already here. Study Math 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21 for the signs that proceed the return of Christ.
Satan comes first at the 6th trump. Christ doesn't return until the 7th. Don't allow yourself to be deceived by a false doctrine. We are not gathered back to Christ until the Trump of God which is the 7th or last trump, I Cor 15:5-52. If you are being taught to get ready to rapture away with Christ, know this. Satan comes first pretending to be him. Don't be deceived. Study to find yourself approved.
So what happens when the real Christ returns expecting to find a virgin bride but the bride is found in bed with Satan being deceived. Math 24:50-51, The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him and in an hour that he is not aware of...there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Why? Because those folks weren't looking for Christ because they thought he was already here. Study Math 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21 for the signs that proceed the return of Christ.
Satan comes first at the 6th trump. Christ doesn't return until the 7th. Don't allow yourself to be deceived by a false doctrine. We are not gathered back to Christ until the Trump of God which is the 7th or last trump, I Cor 15:5-52. If you are being taught to get ready to rapture away with Christ, know this. Satan comes first pretending to be him. Don't be deceived. Study to find yourself approved.
No, the rapture pre trib is a fiction:
“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.” (Matthew 24:29-31)
“This means that God’s holy people must endure persecution patiently, obeying his commands and maintaining their faith in Jesus.” (Revelation 14:12)
The real rapture or caught up only happens after the Antichrist/ Beast has crushed the church, “And the beast was allowed to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them. And he was given authority to rule over every tribe and people and language and nation.” (Revelation 13:7) and Jesus then appears on the clouds and destroy him with breath of his mouth,
“Then the man of lawlessness will be revealed, but the Lord Jesus will slay him with the breath of his mouth and destroy him by the splendor of his coming.” (2 Thessalonians 2:8).
“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.” (Matthew 24:29-31)
“This means that God’s holy people must endure persecution patiently, obeying his commands and maintaining their faith in Jesus.” (Revelation 14:12)
The real rapture or caught up only happens after the Antichrist/ Beast has crushed the church, “And the beast was allowed to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them. And he was given authority to rule over every tribe and people and language and nation.” (Revelation 13:7) and Jesus then appears on the clouds and destroy him with breath of his mouth,
“Then the man of lawlessness will be revealed, but the Lord Jesus will slay him with the breath of his mouth and destroy him by the splendor of his coming.” (2 Thessalonians 2:8).
You think...
Based on what the Bible really actually says.
My job is to tell you that you have greatly misinterpreted what is written - turning it into something that is BS.
With this statement there is at least something worth considering; however, I am not inclined to believe that a person will be raptured-or-not based on when they believe it will occur.
It might.
Jesus and the rest of the NT books that talk about the rapture said it would be post-trib. He said to
"endure to the end," and that is what post-trib believers are preparing for - to either be ready to die for Jesus knowing that the antichrist will be allowed to conquer God's people during the great apocalypse or be protected by God in such a way as being those "who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord" (1 Thessalonians 4:15).
For pre-tribbers, they are a mixed bag. I know some of them love God so much that they will willingly admit they were wrong and quickly endure with God to die for Him or live for Him to the end. But there are also those who are so deluded and won't let go of the lie. So you have to wonder if they really belonged to God in the first place if they continue to allow themselves to be deceived and take the mark of the beast.
With post-tribbers, they already know what's at stake, but we still have to make sure to endure for whatever length of time we have to endure. For me, I'm pretty sure I'll die - I have health issues that could mean the death of me without daily medication so if I don't take the mark (and I won't), I'm going to die probably even before the false prophet introduces the death penalty for refusing the mark. So I'm pretty much ready for that.
Lol
You just Posted a verse saying that angels gather in heaven after the tribulation, which is what the pretribulation rapture doctrine agrees with.
You are telling us angels and not Jesus gathers in heaven, not Earth after the tribulation, and somehow think you have posted evidence of a postrib rapture. When, actually, you're not close to doing any such of a thing.
Then you state correctly that the AC destroys anyone refusing the mark.
ahem....you just made the supposed postrib rapture an impossibility, as there is nobody to supposedly rapture postrib.
Why in the world do you guys not Play out your theories?....that have simply been made up outside of the bible?
postribbers are CONSTANTLY telling us angels gather in heaven after the trib, and a few , such as yourself, tell us correctly, that the ac kills all refusing the mark.
ahem...actually EXPOSING postrib rapture theory as IMPOSSIBLE.
EVERY RAPTURE VERSE BY JESUS is pretrib setting.It might.
Jesus and the rest of the NT books that talk about the rapture said it would be post-trib. He said to
"endure to the end," and that is what post-trib believers are preparing for - to either be ready to die for Jesus knowing that the antichrist will be allowed to conquer God's people during the great apocalypse or be protected by God in such a way as being those "who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord" (1 Thessalonians 4:15).
For pre-tribbers, they are a mixed bag. I know some of them love God so much that they will willingly admit they were wrong and quickly endure with God to die for Him or live for Him to the end. But there are also those who are so deluded and won't let go of the lie. So you have to wonder if they really belonged to God in the first place if they continue to allow themselves to be deceived and take the mark of the beast.
With post-tribbers, they already know what's at stake, but we still have to make sure to endure for whatever length of time we have to endure. For me, I'm pretty sure I'll die - I have health issues that could mean the death of me without daily medication so if I don't take the mark (and I won't), I'm going to die probably even before the false prophet introduces the death penalty for refusing the mark. So I'm pretty much ready for that.
JESUS EVEN YOLD YOU " before the flood, one taken,one left "
Acts 1 " like manner" is pretrib setting
Matt 24 noah analogy is pretrib setting
In the 7 letters " I will keep you out of..."
Is Pretrib setting.
Noah, and Lot are BOTH PRETRIB SETTING.
The baby Jesus taken away PRETRIB SETTING.
Your doctrine is so deceptive , you are barely ascribing salvation to us.
What deception in that non biblical postrib rapture doctrine.
Without ANY verses.
IN DEFIANCE of the 3 comings of Jesus.
Even when shown in plain sight, you guys change verses.
None of you can unpack the virgin parable.
That parable is the most vivid picture of the rapture in the bible, and every single postribber is blinded to it.
Ask a postribber to unpacked it, WITHOUT CHANGING THE COMPONENTS OF THE PARABLE.
They CAN NOT do it.
....all with no red flags!!!!!
Maybe thoughtfully and intelligently reply instead of some little word fling.
Try and debate thoughtfully.
Try it.
The pretrib rapture is easily defended.
Try and thoughtfully debate instead of ascribing theories.
Noah and Lot gathered POST FLOOD/ POST FIRE?
( Postrib/ rapture adherents would think so?)
you know I have had many dreams about the rapture happening and in every single one of them I never saw the tribulation happening it just suddenly out of nowhere on a seemingly normal day happened
not saying that this is evidence of any kind but if we believe that in the last days we would recieve dreams and visions then it might be something to consider. personally I don't think it should be such a nerve pincher of a subject we can ddisagreee and do so with love and respect.
not saying that this is evidence of any kind but if we believe that in the last days we would recieve dreams and visions then it might be something to consider. personally I don't think it should be such a nerve pincher of a subject we can ddisagreee and do so with love and respect.
They are in the Ark [[before]] it began raining \ [[out of Sodom]] before the LORD rains brimstone. That is pre-wrath all day long.
Pre-trib doesn't even have to be debated - it isn't going to happen. We will all still be here when the antichrist is revealed and the great apocalypse here. So do what Jesus tells His people and endure (with Him) to the end.
there is evidence to support pretrib and there is evidence to support the post trib but the issue lies with interpretation when Jesus spoke of how he would come like a theif in the night well this seems to imply that we will not be aware of when the rapture happens,Pre-trib doesn't even have to be debated - it isn't going to happen. We will all still be here when the antichrist is revealed and the great apocalypse here. So do what Jesus tells His people and endure (with Him) to the end.
but I find this verse to be interesting 1 Thessalonians 1:10 - and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come. this seems to be implying that we will not be here for the wrath that will come upon the world
The great apocalyse is NOT God's wrath. It's satan's wrath against us. God's people will face that.
I think the reason why God allowed the holocaust to happen during WW2 is to show us a preview of what will happen to his spiritual children/people. Like with the Jews, satan is going to try to kill off as many of God's people either by execution or by making them break faith and take his mark. But the fact that Jews have survived AND had their nation of Israel restored is proof that satan's efforts to completely annihilate us will fail in the last days too.
I don't go much by dreams either my own or other's. Just stick with what the Bible says and it will become plain what the scripture say when pre-trib rapture doesn't happen and you're still here for the great apocalyse. Just don't panic - cling close to Jesus who will help you to endure it all to the end.
" .....and those that say " where is tge promise of his coming?"The great apocalyse is NOT God's wrath. It's satan's wrath against us. God's people will face that.
I think the reason why God allowed the holocaust to happen during WW2 is to show us a preview of what will happen to his spiritual children/people. Like with the Jews, satan is going to try to kill off as many of God's people either by execution or by making them break faith and take his mark. But the fact that Jews have survived AND had their nation of Israel restored is proof that satan's efforts to completely annihilate us will fail in the last days too.
I don't go much by dreams either my own or other's. Just stick with what the Bible says and it will become plain what the scripture say when pre-trib rapture doesn't happen and you're still here for the great apocalyse. Just don't panic - cling close to Jesus who will help you to endure it all to the end.
Don't kid yourself for too long.
Wake up