Iran attacks Israel, sends hundreds of drones, missiles

[Mem]

Again, what age?
I simply shared where a resurrection was recorded in scripture after the resurrection of Jesus.

I was speaking toward the resurrection of all the saints, which is yet to happen. Is it an 'ongoing' event?

 

[ZNP]

A biosphere? But if we've managed to wreck the macrodome, it'd seem that would be the eventual fate of the microsphere. Especially if it only depends on our 'agreement.' Lol, have you not noticed the severe lack of in even in this 'simulated' environment?

Once again, you can't do this yet, first you have all the events in Revelation to eliminate all those who are one with Satan, all those who are influenced by demons, all those who reject Jesus Christ as Lord and King.

You have a choice, you can embrace the Sin offering, trespass offering and Peace offering that Jesus made on the cross when He poured out His blood to save us from eternal damnation. Or you can become a great sacrifice of God at Armageddon to give the carrion birds a feast.

Revelation 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; 18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

 

[ZNP]

A biosphere? But if we've managed to wreck the macrodome, it'd seem that would be the eventual fate of the microsphere. Especially if it only depends on our 'agreement.' Lol, have you not noticed the severe lack of in even in this 'simulated' environment?

I did not understand what you were trying to say. That said, cities are far more efficient and ecologically friendly than people living in rural settings. Domes offer spectacularly good insulation and get cheaper the bigger they are. If you build a dome over land that would otherwise be uninhabitable for a city then the price of the dome as a roof is a fraction of the cost of land. Domes can be used in greenhouses so the city can also be a giant greenhouse with plants and trees. The biggest problem with arid environments is evaporation, you solve that with a dome.

 

[Cameron143]

But that cannot be the resurrection that HeisHere is referring to based on Revelation 1:1-3. According to Revelation there was an event that was shortly to come in the future, so any events that predated 90 AD could not be what was being referred to. Paul also dealt with this with the Thessalonians who had been told they had missed the rapture and Paul corrected them, the rapture and revelation of the Antichrist comes after the apostasy.

Because you believe Revelation was written in 90AD?

 

[Cameron143]

I was speaking toward the resurrection of all the saints, which is yet to happen. Is it an 'ongoing' event?

Oh. That comes at the end of time as we know it. It has not occurred.

 

[ZNP]

Because you believe Revelation was written in 90AD?

Whatever year you believe it was after all the other apostles were dead. It was clearly after 70 AD when the temple was destroyed. It is referring to events that will take place in the future, after 70 AD and after the resurrection.

So it throws a wrench in interpreting Matthew 24 as being solely about 70 AD, it can't be because Revelation makes that clear.

 

[Cameron143]

Whatever year you believe it was after all the other apostles were dead. It was clearly after 70 AD when the temple was destroyed. It is referring to events that will take place in the future, after 70 AD and after the resurrection.

So it throws a wrench in interpreting Matthew 24 as being solely about 70 AD, it can't be because Revelation makes that clear.

Unless it was written before 70AD.

 

[ZNP]

Unless it was written before 70AD.

Fair enough, the historical evidence and archealogical evidence is very strong.

The Apostle John was exiled to the island of Patmos around 95 AD, during the reign of Emperor Domitian. This exile is believed to be a consequence of John's preaching and his opposition to Emperor worship, which led to him being considered a threat to the Roman Empire according to Drive Thru History with Dave Stotts. While on Patmos, John received the visions that form the basis of the Book of Revelation. He was later released from exile after Domitian's death and returned to Ephesus.

Domitian ruled from 81 AD to 96 AD

Early church writers like Irenaeus, Clement of Alexandria, and Tertullian provide evidence that John was exiled to Patmos during the reign of Emperor Domitian. Specifically, Irenaeus, writing in the late 2nd century, mentions John's visions occurring "at the end of Domitian's reign" according to exegetical.tools. Eusebius of Caesarea, in his Ecclesiastical History, further supports this by compiling testimonies from earlier sources. Dio Cassius, a secular historian, also corroborates the exile tradition, noting Domitian's practice of banishment.

 

[Cameron143]

Fair enough, the historical evidence and archealogical evidence is very strong.

The Apostle John was exiled to the island of Patmos around 95 AD, during the reign of Emperor Domitian. This exile is believed to be a consequence of John's preaching and his opposition to Emperor worship, which led to him being considered a threat to the Roman Empire according to Drive Thru History with Dave Stotts. While on Patmos, John received the visions that form the basis of the Book of Revelation. He was later released from exile after Domitian's death and returned to Ephesus.

Domitian ruled from 81 AD to 96 AD

Early church writers like Irenaeus, Clement of Alexandria, and Tertullian provide evidence that John was exiled to Patmos during the reign of Emperor Domitian. Specifically, Irenaeus, writing in the late 2nd century, mentions John's visions occurring "at the end of Domitian's reign" according to exegetical.tools. Eusebius of Caesarea, in his Ecclesiastical History, further supports this by compiling testimonies from earlier sources. Dio Cassius, a secular historian, also corroborates the exile tradition, noting Domitian's practice of banishment.

We can agree to disagree.

 

[ZNP]

We can agree to disagree.

Why? Is there a reputable historian who disagrees?

 

[Cameron143]

Why? Is there a reputable historian who disagrees?

There are many scholars who understand that the book of Revelation is dealing with the end of the old covenant and the promised sanctions upon Israel for their failure to keep the terms of the covenant.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

If you go far enough to the right, you get people marching in the street with swastikas. If you go far enough to the left, you get people on college campuses praising Hamas

Never made sense to me, Nazi's were socialists... left not right.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

John Hagee he knows better.

I'm guessing he's read the Bible once in his life and understands what the words everlasting and unconditional mean.

 

[ZNP]

There are many scholars who understand that the book of Revelation is dealing with the end of the old covenant and the promised sanctions upon Israel for their failure to keep the terms of the covenant.

Show me one scholar who says Revelation was written before 70 AD.

 

[Cameron143]

Show me one scholar who says Revelation was written before 70 AD.

David Chilton, off the top of my head. You should read his book The Days of Vengeance.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

The assassination of John of Kennedy changed everything and started the down ward slide to less and less independence.

 

[ZNP]

David Chilton, off the top of my head. You should read his book The Days of Vengeance.

The death, resurrection and ascension of Christ marked the end of the Old Covenant and the beginning of the New; the apostles were commissioned to deliver Christ’s message in the form of the New Testament; and when they were finished, God sent the Edomites and the Roman armies to destroy utterly the last remaining symbols of the Old Covenant: the Temple and the Holy City. This fact alone is sufficient to establish the writing of the Revelation as taking place before A.D. 70. The book itself gives abundant testimony regarding its date; but, even more, the nature of the New Testament as God’s Final Word tells us this. Christ’s death at the hands of the apostate children of Israel sealed their fate: The Kingdom would be taken from them (Matt. 21:33-43). While wrath built up “to the utmost” (1 Thess. 2:16), God stayed His hand of judgment until the writing of the New Covenant document was accomplished. With that done, He dramatically terminated the kingdom of Israel, wiping out the persecuting generation (Matt. 23:34-36; 24:34; Luke 11:49-50. Jerusalem’s destruction was the last blast of the trumpet, signalling that the “mystery of God” was finished (Rev. 10:7). There would be no further canonical writings once Israel was gone.

Taken from the Introduction to the Days of Vengeance

He does not provide any fact other than it fits with his doctrine. Yes, the book of Revelation does give ample evidence saying he was exiled to Patmos, that was a standard punishment of Domitian. He does not even attempt to address the fact that all of the church fathers say it was written at the end of Domitians reign. Sorry, this is clownish.

 

[Cameron143]

The death, resurrection and ascension of Christ marked the end of the Old Covenant and the beginning of the New; the apostles were commissioned to deliver Christ’s message in the form of the New Testament; and when they were finished, God sent the Edomites and the Roman armies to destroy utterly the last remaining symbols of the Old Covenant: the Temple and the Holy City. This fact alone is sufficient to establish the writing of the Revelation as taking place before A.D. 70. The book itself gives abundant testimony regarding its date; but, even more, the nature of the New Testament as God’s Final Word tells us this. Christ’s death at the hands of the apostate children of Israel sealed their fate: The Kingdom would be taken from them (Matt. 21:33-43). While wrath built up “to the utmost” (1 Thess. 2:16), God stayed His hand of judgment until the writing of the New Covenant document was accomplished. With that done, He dramatically terminated the kingdom of Israel, wiping out the persecuting generation (Matt. 23:34-36; 24:34; Luke 11:49-50. Jerusalem’s destruction was the last blast of the trumpet, signalling that the “mystery of God” was finished (Rev. 10:7). There would be no further canonical writings once Israel was gone.

Taken from the Introduction to the Days of Vengeance

He does not provide any fact other than it fits with his doctrine. Yes, the book of Revelation does give ample evidence saying he was exiled to Patmos, that was a standard punishment of Domitian. He does not even attempt to address the fact that all of the church fathers say it was written at the end of Domitians reign. Sorry, this is clownish.

The book of Hebrews says the old covenant was waning, not over. The end of the covenant did not come until all the promised sanctions were fulfilled.

Correct doctrine is superior by far than scholarship, for it undergirds correct understanding. Whatever experts you may claim, when you begin with the wrong premise, your doctrine will be in error. Your premise concerning the book of Revelation is incorrect,not withstanding your characterization of me. Poor form.

 

[ZNP]

The book of Hebrews says the old covenant was waning, not over. The end of the covenant did not come until all the promised sanctions were fulfilled.

Correct doctrine is superior by far than scholarship, for it undergirds correct understanding. Whatever experts you may claim, when you begin with the wrong premise, your doctrine will be in error. Your premise concerning the book of Revelation is incorrect,not withstanding your characterization of me. Poor form.

correct doctrine will be confirmed by historical records, not debunked by it. The minute you can ignore facts you don't like then your doctrine is no different from the Scribes and Pharisees.

 

[Cameron143]

correct doctrine will be confirmed by historical records, not debunked by it. The minute you can ignore facts you don't like then your doctrine is no different from the Scribes and Pharisees.

Sure, if the history is correctly recorded. But since Revelation deals with the end of the old covenant and the events surrounding it for the most part, it had to be written before the destruction of Israel and the temple.