Does Rom 5:18 teach that Christ died for all men without exception ?

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brightfame52

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Does Rom 5:18 teach that Christ died for all men without exception ? 3Now why does it say " unto Justification of Life" ? Notice Rom 5:18

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

I will explain that, and this will show even Moreso why this verse teaches a limited atonement. The words all men are a stumbling block to the carnal natural mind and heart, yet the all men are limited to only some, all of which receive Justification unto life !

One of the reasons is because all men whom Christ represented by His one act of Righteous obedience unto death, even the death of the cross, are Justified and entitled to life eternal. John Gill writes:

even so by the righteousness of one, the free gift came upon all men to justification of life; the righteousness of Christ being freely imputed without works, as it is to all the men that belong to the second Adam, to all his seed and offspring, is their justification of life, or what adjudges and entitles them to eternal life.
Because Jesus Christ has erased their sin debt by His Obedience, and He has actively obeyed Gods Law perfectly FOR THEM, which entitles them to inherit Eternal Life.

Remember what Jesus told the young rich ruler when he asked Him Matt 19:16-17

16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?


17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.


You see that ? Jesus told him in answering what he needs to do that he may have eternal life, Luke wrote that he asked about inheriting eternal life Lk 18:18

18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?


What was Jesus respond ? Notice : " but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments."


Thats right, if the young man could keep the commandments, and that perfectly, he would enter into, inherit eternal life !

And , so every sinner Christ lived and died for, His act of obedience, they have kept the commandments, through Him. Just as they disobeyed the Holy Commandment of God in adam, they kept and obeyed the Holy Commandments through Jesus Christ, hence, they are entitled to eternal life.

Let me explain more by looking at the very next verse after Rom 5:18, which is Vs 19 which basically says the same thing as Vs 18, but in a slightly different way Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous


Here we find that by the obedience of one, Jesus Christ, many shall be made righteous or just. The word for righteous, the greek word dikaios and means:

just; especially, just in the eyes of God; righteous; in a wide sense, upright, righteous, virtuous, keeping the commands of God; So because of the one act of righteous obedience of Christ for them He represented, they are made righteous, and God in Him reckons them Righteous and keeping the commandments of God, as Jesus told the young man in Matt 19:17

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

So that's one reason why, all those men and women in Rom 5:18 that Justification unto life came upon are entitled to eternal life !
 

brightfame52

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@Clayman

One can never form a doctrine from any one verse, yet the question you are asking is if we are to look at this one verse does it teach that all men without exception have access to Life eternal, then yes this verse does seem to saying that in isolation.
Sure one verse can show forth a doctrine. However Rom 5:19 says the same thing, by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. The many in Rom 5:19b correlates with the all in Rom 5:18b

Justification is limited in both scriptures to the actual justified.

But what you are saying here is a false cursed gospel
 

brightfame52

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@reneweddaybyday

brightfame52 ... you are not reading with comprehension ... either that, or you are being deliberately obtuse.
Thats you. NKJV says it plainly:


Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.

or NIVUK

18 Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.

Now whoever is left unjust, Christ didnt die for them, impossible. The all is limited to all who are actually justified
 

brightfame52

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@brightfame52 you're opening the Text and inserting an errant theology.

Close the book, take a deep breath, ask God to clear your thinking back to the foundation that Jesus is His Christ, open the Book with renewed and fresh eyes, and take His instruction FROM His Word and the counsel of several here who see this Scripture clearly and are trying to assist you to do the same.

Stay away for quite a while from the other thread re: God's Election.
yeah right
 
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@sawdust

False you not reading correctly

:rolleyes: Oh, here you go again. So tiring.... :rolleyes:

You think you are one of the people that God has saved? If so, you're suppose to have the Holy Spirit who inspired the Bible. Why is it that you're listening to satan instead of the Holy Spirit and misrepresenting what Jesus' death did for all people?

As it is, you don't think you have to answer to God for misrepresenting Him to other people, but you will. I don't think you even realize how severe this sin is to God if you don't repent of it because you've brought this up in new discussion threads periodically over the years.

I know you won't take this seriously and you'll just keep pushing your false doctrine, but you're just going to make things worse for yourself having to give this account before God in the end. Just because He hasn't disciplined you doesn't mean He approves of your doctrine - it could well be He might not see you as His child or disciple that He feels that He should correct or discipline you.


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sawdust

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@brightfame52

I think it's high time people stopped engaging you on this topic. You raise this issue every few months, I can think of at least three threads you started on this topic.

You say everyone reads it wrong but you want it to say that the "all" when it comes to condemnation really means all but the "all" when it comes to the free gift only means some. It's just a load of blah, blah, blah. You're not even consistent. The Lamb of God took away the sin of the world, the whole world and nothing but the world. Limited Atonement is a false doctrine. Deal with it.
 

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What an infectious disaster is TULIP and all these doctrines and wording of men.

I suppose if I were to join in and speak the made-up language, I might view Rom5:18 as unlimited in scope and Rom5:17 as limited due to and based upon receipt/taking hold of/choosing.

God seems way more gracious than some limit Him to be and easily, men are much more stupid and individualistic than they think they are.
 

brightfame52

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@studier

What an infectious disaster is TULIP and all these doctrines and wording of men.
Well guess what ? Tulip Truths are absolutely essential to the Gospel of Gods Grace, so i see your true sentiment towards the Gospel of Gods Grace.
 

lrs68

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Cain and Abel prove man has free will which I posted in the other thread by the same Op.

This Verse [(Romans 5:18)] simply means What Jesus did is sufficient for all humanity.

We know for a fact that all humanity will not be saved because they choose to deny God [Romans 1].

But that doesn't remove from the fact that what Jesus did is good enough that ALL HUMANS could be saved.
 

studier

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Well guess what ? Tulip Truths are absolutely essential to the Gospel of Gods Grace, so i see your true sentiment towards the Gospel of Gods Grace.
And I see a typical TULIPist response attempting to defame a Christian concerning his actual belief in the Textual grace, mercy, and love of God.

You have to go here. Your erroneous beliefs and misinterpretations of Scripture leave you very little else in way of potential course.

It just reveals more of how weak the system is and how some of its adherents rely on fallacious argumentation to wrongly think they are making their point.

Let's see if you can restrain the absurd accusations and just deal with Scripture, which you're already clearly proving you cannot do. To begin with, you're shattering the simple comparative wording and logic of Rom5:18 and this has been pointed out to you by a few of us.

If we were to agree with you, then logically and based upon the comparative grammar, we'd have to say that the effects of Adam's violation were limited to a chosen few, which I don't think you believe.

If your only recourse is defamation, this alone should strike your conscience.
 

Kroogz

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If we were to agree with you, then logically and based upon the comparative grammar, we'd have to say that the effects of Adam's violation were limited to a chosen few, which I don't think you believe.

If your only recourse is defamation, this alone should strike your conscience.
Exactly. In the tulip world........
Adam=Unlimited condemnation.

The Lord Jesus Christ= limited atonement.

Adam was 100% successful and The Lord Jesus Christ was 30-40% successful.
 

Cameron143

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Exactly. In the tulip world........
Adam=Unlimited condemnation.

The Lord Jesus Christ= limited atonement.

Adam was 100% successful and The Lord Jesus Christ was 30-40% successful.
Jesus is 100% successful...John 6:37-39. All that the Father gives to Jesus come to Him and He loses none of them.
 

Kroogz

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Jesus is 100% successful...John 6:37-39. All that the Father gives to Jesus come to Him and He loses none of them.
The Lord Jesus Christ was/is 100% successful at paying the price for all sin.....

Thus making salvation available to ALL men.
 

Cameron143

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Exactly. In the tulip world........
Adam=Unlimited condemnation.

The Lord Jesus Christ= limited atonement.

Adam was 100% successful and The Lord Jesus Christ was 30-40% successful.
Jesus is 100% successful...John 6:37-39. All that the Father gives to Jesus come to Him and He loses none of them.
 

Cameron143

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The Lord Jesus Christ was/is 100% successful at paying the price for all sin.....

Thus making salvation available to ALL men.
That's not what the verses actually say. They say He is 100% successful at not losing any that the Father gives to Him.