Does Rom 5:18 teach that Christ died for all men without exception ?
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Does 1 Tim 4:10
10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
Does this verse teach that God in Christ is the Saviour of all men without exception? By no means, that is a contradiction of scripture, lost men don't have God as a Saviour, duh!
Instead the verse teaches limited atonement just like the Truth is in Christ Jesus. The word especially here is a adverb and it actually is a qualifier of who God in Christ is a Saviour unto. The word means:
most of all, especially.
málista (from mala, "very much") – very much the case; particularly so; especially (mostly) so.
See that, its teaching particular salvation, Hes a Saviour particularly to them believing. The word especially also means, exclusively. So God is Saviour exclusively and particularly to believers, whether jew or gentile.
10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
Does this verse teach that God in Christ is the Saviour of all men without exception? By no means, that is a contradiction of scripture, lost men don't have God as a Saviour, duh!
Instead the verse teaches limited atonement just like the Truth is in Christ Jesus. The word especially here is a adverb and it actually is a qualifier of who God in Christ is a Saviour unto. The word means:
most of all, especially.
málista (from mala, "very much") – very much the case; particularly so; especially (mostly) so.
See that, its teaching particular salvation, Hes a Saviour particularly to them believing. The word especially also means, exclusively. So God is Saviour exclusively and particularly to believers, whether jew or gentile.
It would be nice to see you do some actual work rather than misinterpreting single verses to read your erroneous theology into them.
It's also interesting to watch you selectively define words when you think they might help your error but not when they won't, such as Rom5:17 "receive".
When we look at malista a good way to consider it is with the concept of sets and subsets. It doesn't negate the set (the whole) - it simply brings focus to the subset within the set.
Paul uses it about 8x in his writings to bring a narrow focus - to highlight a focus - on a subset within a set. He uses it 3x this way in 1Tim and this is the same 1Tim in which 1Tim2:4 tells us God's desire is the Salvation of all men. So, this 1Tim4:10 fits perfectly with 1Tim2:4. It also fits perfectly with Paul's other writing in Rom5:17-19 that you're stubbornly misinterpreting for us.
What God our Savior did to save was sufficient for all. What God our Savior requires is willing receipt of His Grace by Faith.
It's really not that difficult to take hold of.
Maybe this will assist you: There are many promoting error in these threads, especially you.
It's also interesting to watch you selectively define words when you think they might help your error but not when they won't, such as Rom5:17 "receive".
When we look at malista a good way to consider it is with the concept of sets and subsets. It doesn't negate the set (the whole) - it simply brings focus to the subset within the set.
Paul uses it about 8x in his writings to bring a narrow focus - to highlight a focus - on a subset within a set. He uses it 3x this way in 1Tim and this is the same 1Tim in which 1Tim2:4 tells us God's desire is the Salvation of all men. So, this 1Tim4:10 fits perfectly with 1Tim2:4. It also fits perfectly with Paul's other writing in Rom5:17-19 that you're stubbornly misinterpreting for us.
What God our Savior did to save was sufficient for all. What God our Savior requires is willing receipt of His Grace by Faith.
It's really not that difficult to take hold of.
Maybe this will assist you: There are many promoting error in these threads, especially you.
Those Christ brought justification upon was by His one act. Nothing about requiring Faith. Please show me the word Faith in Rom 5:18
And Faith in Rom 5:1 is Christ, His work from Rom 4:25 when He rose for their Justification. And again its about the elect. There is only one people promised Justification in the Lord, Israel Gods elect Isa 45:25
In the Lord shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.
Those Justified by Faith/Christ in Rom 5:1 is all the seed Rom 4:16
16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
Of course this is way above your head.
And Faith in Rom 5:1 is Christ, His work from Rom 4:25 when He rose for their Justification. And again its about the elect. There is only one people promised Justification in the Lord, Israel Gods elect Isa 45:25
In the Lord shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.
Those Justified by Faith/Christ in Rom 5:1 is all the seed Rom 4:16
16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
Of course this is way above your head.
So, we use a Reformed theologian to substantiate Reformed theology. That's helpful.
Can you explain your red highlighted portion? Do you know if other traditions agree or disagree with it in part or in totality? Do you think others don't agree that the object of Faith has the merit?
BTW, your response to info on malista was profound.
Can you explain your red highlighted portion? Do you know if other traditions agree or disagree with it in part or in totality? Do you think others don't agree that the object of Faith has the merit?
BTW, your response to info on malista was profound.
I do think intent is certainly part of faithfulness. But you're resting on clear errors in interpreting Scripture and taking stubborn stands against some good input from some here.
Do yourself and us a favor and at least look at Paul's use of malista and consider what I pointed out about it. I'll work through it with you if you'd like. We can start in the 1Tim usages. It's a pretty simple study.
Do yourself and us a favor and at least look at Paul's use of malista and consider what I pointed out about it. I'll work through it with you if you'd like. We can start in the 1Tim usages. It's a pretty simple study.
yes ... the Lord Jesus Christ is the only One Who can save ... none other ... there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Adam Clarke Commentary:
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Adam Clarke Commentary:
Who is the Savior of all men – Who has provided salvation for the whole human race, and has freely offered it to them in his word and by his Spirit.
Specially of those that believe – What God intends for All, he actually gives to them that believe in Christ, who died for the sins of the world, and tasted death for every man. As all have been purchased by his blood so all may believe; and consequently all may be saved. Those that perish, perish through their own fault.
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there is only one Elect of God (capital E) ... and that is the Lord Jesus Christ. All born again believers are in Him Who is the Elect ... born again believers are "elect" (small e).
Romans 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
if "Rom 5 in its entirety is about the elect of God" ...
then only the elect of God are condemned and in need of justification ...
so then the nonelect are not condemned because, according to you, "Rom 5 in its entirety is about the elect of God" ...
your assertion fails
"their solidarity and the results of it with #1 Adam" means that judgment came upon [the elect] to condemnation ... which renders your claim submitted in Post 21 that "Those under condemnation cant be Justified" to be in error.
another failure due to your erroneous dogma ...
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Romans 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
if "Rom 5 in its entirety is about the elect of God" ...
then only the elect of God are condemned and in need of justification ...
so then the nonelect are not condemned because, according to you, "Rom 5 in its entirety is about the elect of God" ...
your assertion fails
"their solidarity and the results of it with #1 Adam" means that judgment came upon [the elect] to condemnation ... which renders your claim submitted in Post 21 that "Those under condemnation cant be Justified" to be in error.
another failure due to your erroneous dogma ...
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“I don't see how he didn't die for all men”
“and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
1 John 2:2 KJV
“For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.”
1 Timothy 4:10
“For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.”
1 Timothy 2:3-4 KJV
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
John 3:16
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
it covers everyone but some reject him
“and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
1 John 2:2 KJV
“For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.”
1 Timothy 4:10
“For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.”
1 Timothy 2:3-4 KJV
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
John 3:16
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
it covers everyone but some reject him