Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[cv5]

Yet some of them as on these threads will continually allege that all other than them have a self-meritorious concept of faith.

It's an empty and dumb argument really. Fallacious argumentation.

And they do their utmost to bail out of the absurdity trap with the usual super-determinist legerdemain and parlor tricks.

 

[Magenta]

Yet some of them as on these threads will continually allege that all other than them have a self-meritorious concept of faith.

It's an empty and dumb argument really. Fallacious argumentation.

Like the empty dumb and ridiculously false allegation that anybody says men do not make choices and/or do not have a will.

Which I believe even you are guilty of doing. So... go look in a mirror. Once again.

 

[Kroogz]

Yet some of them as on these threads will continually allege that all other than them have a self-meritorious concept of faith.

It's an empty and dumb argument really. Fallacious argumentation.

I agree.

If I have faith in a chair to hold me up if I sit down it. Can I boast of helping the chair to hold me up? No, ALL the merit is in the chair.

Can we boast in breathing?

Can we boast in eating?

No, ALL the merit is in the air and food.

Can we boast in believing in the Lord Jesus Christ? NO, ALL the merit goes to the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Magenta]

I agree.

If I have faith in a chair to hold me up if I sit down it. Can I boast of helping the chair to hold me up? No, ALL the merit is in the chair.

Can we boast in breathing?

Can we boast in eating?

No, ALL the merit is in the air and food.

Can we boast in believing in the Lord Jesus Christ? NO, ALL the merit goes to the Lord Jesus Christ.

Logical fallacy alert.

A false equivalence is a logical fallacy where two (or more) things are incorrectly presented as being
equivalent, despite significant differences in their nature or significance. It often involves highlighting
a superficial similarity while ignoring crucial distinctions. This creates a misleading impression that
the two are equally valid or important.

False equivalence occurs when two things are compared as if they are equal, even though they are not.

It often involves focusing on a shared characteristic while downplaying or ignoring the differences.

False equivalences can distort the truth, mislead audiences, and create unnecessary
conflict. They are often used to manipulate or dismiss opposing viewpoints.

False equivalence is related to other fallacies like false analogy (where the comparison is not
sufficiently similar) and false dilemma (where only two options are presented when more exist).

 

[studier]

And they do their utmost to bail out of the absurdity trap with the usual super-determinist legerdemain and parlor tricks.

I've noticed that some of those parlor tricks around here include a sudden absence or ignoring when much detailed work in and from Scripture posts against them, ignoring the types of fallacious arguments being identified in their posts including and maybe especially whatever depth of ad hominem attacks they feel the need to make.

The destined end of the approach around here seems that they have to say those who disagree with them are not saved since we allegedly negate grace. elevate human choice against grace and make faith a work. That simply put is rejection of the Gospel.

 

[studier]

Can we boast in believing in the Lord Jesus Christ? NO, ALL the merit goes to the Lord Jesus Christ

Foundational no matter what is otherwise alleged.

As I and I'm sure others have said, we fully understand the merit being in the object, which is none other than Jesus Christ and our Father, again, no matter what is alleged against us.

As @cv5 has essentially said, there are simple parlor tricks being played, a practiced script, and not a very well-reasoned one. It's almost like answering the door to a JW who's been trained what to say and how to answer certain questions. At least they're trained to walk away somewhat graciously rather than to sit and do what's done round here.

 

[Rufus]

Foundational no matter what is otherwise alleged.

As I and I'm sure others have said, we fully understand the merit being in the object, which is none other than Jesus Christ and our Father, again, no matter what is alleged against us.

As @cv5 has essentially said, there are simple parlor tricks being played, a practiced script, and not a very well-reasoned one. It's almost like answering the door to a JW who's been trained what to say and how to answer certain questions. At least they're trained to walk away somewhat graciously rather than to sit and do what's done round here.

Then how come you couldn't bring yourself to boast in "Jesus Christ and our Father" on the "Understanding Election..." thread when you refused to acknowledge and confess that God alone makes the difference between sinners who reject the gospel and sinners who accept the gospel? But here you are...on this thread paying cheap, hypocritical lip service to Jesus and the Father whose grace is totally ineffectual which is precisely why you had a brief honest moment when you patted the intelligent repentant sinner on the back for making such a wise choice.

 

[cv5]

In Matthew 22:14, Jesus concludes the parable of the wedding banquet with the statement, “For many are called, but few are chosen.” To understand who does the calling and choosing in this parable, we need to consider the context, the specific words Jesus uses, and the implications of the original Greek.

1. Who Does the Calling?

The King in the parable clearly represents God, who extends the initial invitation to the wedding banquet. The verb κεκλημένους (perfect passive participle) indicates that the guests were already invited long before the banquet was ready. This implies that God had extended His invitation to His chosen people (the Israelites) throughout history. The perfect tense emphasizes a completed action with ongoing relevance — they were invited in the past, and that invitation still stands.

2. Who Does the Choosing?

The phrase “few are chosen” does not imply that God is selectively choosing a few from among the invited. Instead, it reflects the response of the invitees themselves. The Greek phrase ὀλίγοι ἐκλεκτοί (“few are chosen”) consists of two adjectives functioning as nouns, emphasizing the number of those who actually responded properly to the invitation.

Thus, the “choosing” in this context refers to those who chose to attend the banquet with the proper heart and preparation. The parable emphasizes that being called or invited by God does not automatically grant entrance to the Kingdom; it requires a willing and appropriate response from those invited.

3. Theological Implication: The Book of Life and Human Responsibility

In the context of God’s plan of redemption, the term κεκλημένους can carry a deeper significance, referring to those whose names are already written in the Book of Life—that is, those whom God has foreknown and invited into His Kingdom. Just as a wedding guest list is prepared in advance and invitations go out accordingly, God’s call goes out to those He has already known and invited.

However, having one’s name on the 'guest list' is not enough. The invitation requires a genuine response. The parable illustrates that while all are invited, not all choose to respond appropriately. Those who are ultimately considered “chosen” are those who accept the invitation and come properly prepared, symbolized by wearing the appropriate wedding garment (i.e., repentance and righteousness).

This highlights the role of human responsibility. Jesus emphasizes that, although God’s invitation is extended broadly (“many are called”), only a few accept it as required. The parable shows that many refused to come, while others came improperly dressed, symbolizing a lack of true preparation or genuine repentance.

The parable and Jesus’ concluding statement — “many are called, but few are chosen” — contextually and syntactically imply the significant role of human free will in responding to God’s call. The invitation is extended to all according to the guest list, but entry into the Kingdom ultimately depends on each person’s free-will choice to accept that invitation, repent, and follow through with the commitment required by the gospel. This underscores that while God initiates the call, it is up to individuals to respond willingly and enter into the fullness of what God has prepared for those who love Him.

 

[cv5]

Then how come you couldn't bring yourself to boast in "Jesus Christ and our Father" on the "Understanding Election..." thread when you refused to acknowledge and confess that God alone makes the difference between sinners who reject the gospel and sinners who accept the gospel? But here you are...on this thread paying cheap, hypocritical lip service to Jesus and the Father whose grace is totally ineffectual which is precisely why you had a brief honest moment when you patted the intelligent repentant sinner on the back for making such a wise choice.

You are sounding a little rough around the edges there Rufus buddy.
Take care.

 

[studier]

Then how come you couldn't bring yourself to boast in "Jesus Christ and our Father" on the "Understanding Election..." thread

See, we start discussing simple parlor tricks (cc: @cv5 @Kroogz @HeIsHere) and here they are.

The truth is we could go through the 15,000+ posts on that thread and find not one person not of the TULIP persuasion doing anything remotely like this, including me, yet here is the empty allegation.

The assertion is simply baked into the ill-reasoned script that ends up saying that anybody that disagrees with TULIP is an unbeliever. That's the depth of the garbage it takes for some to try to support the error.

 

[Magenta]

Foundational no matter what is otherwise alleged.

As I and I'm sure others have said, we fully understand the merit being in the object, which is none other than Jesus Christ and our Father, again, no matter what is alleged against us.

As @cv5 has essentially said, there are simple parlor tricks being played, a practiced script, and not a very well-reasoned one. It's almost like answering the door to a JW who's been trained what to say and how to answer certain questions. At least they're trained to walk away somewhat graciously rather than to sit and do what's done round here.

You are not making much sense here. Is this too one of your parlour tricks?

 

[Magenta]

The assertion is simply baked into the ill-reasoned script that ends up saying that anybody that disagrees
with TULIP is an unbeliever. That's the depth of the garbage it takes for some to try to support the error.

And then there is all the garbage aimed at anyone some of you disagree with. Of course you (you specifically)
trash talk for months on end while complaining about anothers' trash talk, and then concoct a cover story for it
being "to keep the other busy and entertained." Like that justifies your hypocrisy? Some are not so easily fooled.

 

[Magenta]

As @cv5 has essentially said, there are simple parlor tricks being played, a practiced script, and not a very well-reasoned one. It's almost like answering the door to a JW who's been trained what to say and how to answer certain questions. At least they're trained to walk away somewhat graciously rather than to sit and do what's done round here.

Too funny calling Scripture a practiced script. Of course NONE of you free willers have ANY Scripture supporting your view which actually repeatedly contradicts and denies what Scripture explicitly states in many ways over the vastness of the Bible content from start to finish. So all your complaints are hot air, really, just your vanity dressed up as intellectualism. Not even the the simplicity of Scripture like 1 Corinthians 2:14 can penetrate the fog created by the airs you put on. But God's Word will not return void for those with eyes to see.

What Say You? ~ When Scripture says there are none good, does it mean some are good? When Scripture says we all fall short, does it mean there are some who meet God's standards? When Scripture says, "The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned..." Does it mean the natural man can understand the spiritual things of God? Does it mean he really can understand the gospel message even though it is heard as foolishness to him as Scriptures say? Is the natural man gifted with wisdom even though he has no fear of God, which is the beginning of wisdom? Will the lover of darkness come into the light even though Scripture says he will not, because he suppresses the truth of God in unrighteousness and is actually defined as darkness itself, hates the light, and is a slave to sin, blinded to the truth and captive to the will of the devil, which many define as being free? Is the heart of the natural man, the stony ground which needs to be replaced, fit for receiving and growing the Seed of God's Word into faith? Will that incurably wicked heart choose of its own accord to believe? Will that bad tree bring forth the good fruit of faith even though Jesus said it was not possible?

 

[Magenta]

Here are some more of what you call "parlour tricks" for those of you who reject what Scripture says:

There is no one who understands, no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one. For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. Those who are in the flesh cannot please God. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth, and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will. Romans 3 verses 11-12; Romans 8 verses 5-8; 2 Timothy 2 verses 25-26

 

[Magenta]

Man is born in transgression and sin (Psalm 51 verse 5, 58 verse 3), dead in transgressions (Ephesians 2 verse 5), his heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure (Jeremiah 17 verse 9), held captive by a love for sin (John 3 verse 19; John 8 verse 34), so that he will not seek God (Romans 3 verses 10-11), because he loves the darkness (John 3 verse 19), and does not understand the things of God (1 Corinthians 2 verse 14), nor can he change himself (Jeremiah 13 verse 23). He suppresses the truth of God in unrighteousness (Romans 1 verse 18) and continues to willfully live in sin because he is totally depraved; this sinful lifestyle seems right to men (Proverbs 14 verse 12); they reject the gospel of Christ as foolishness (1 Corinthians 1 verse 18), and their mind is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. (Romans 8 verse 7).

 

[Magenta]

More Biblical Truth for the free will crowd to gripe about, contradict, and outright deny:

Man is deceitful (Jeremiah 17 verse 9), full of evil (Mark 7 verses 21-23), loves darkness rather than light (John 3 verse 19), cannot come to God on his own (John 6 verse 44), does not seek for God (Romans 3 verses 10-12), is helpless and ungodly (Romans 5 verse 6), nothing good dwells in his flesh(Romans 7 verse 18), is a slave of sin (Romans 6 verse 20; John 8 verse 34; 2 Timothy 2 verse 26), cannot receive spiritual things (1 Corinthians 2 verse 14), is dead in his sins (Ephesians 2 verse 1), is by nature a child of wrath (Ephesians 2 verse 3), is at enmity with God (Ephesians 2 verse 15), hostile to God and cannot submit to God's law (Romans 8 verse 7). Therefore we rightfully conclude in accordance with the conditions described of the natural man in Scripture that his inherent inclination is to reject God. Thanks be to God, Who appoints people to believe (Acts 13 verse 48), chooses who is to be holy and blameless (Ephesians 1 verse 4), predestines us to adoption (Ephesians 1 verse 5), calls according to His purpose (2 Timothy 1 verse 9), chooses us for salvation (2 Thessalonians 2 verse 13), leads us to and grants us repentance (Romans 2 verse 4; 2 Timothy 2 verses 24-25), grants the act of believing (Philippians 1 verse 29), works faith in the believer (John 6 verses 28-29), causes us to be born again (1 Peter 1 verse 3), born again not by our will but by His will (John 1 verses 12-13), draws people to Himself (John 6 verse 44), grants that we come to Jesus (John 6 verse 65), predestines us to salvation (Romans 8 verses 29- 30), and circumcises our heart (Romans 2 verse 29), all according to His purpose (Ephesians 1 verse 11).

 

[GWH]

Here are some more of what you call "parlour tricks" for those of you who reject what Scripture says:

There is no one who understands, no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one. For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. Those who are in the flesh cannot please God. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth, and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the dev
1. Romans 1:16 says the Gospel reveals that (s/e) is for “everyone who believes”, both Jew and Gentile.

2. Romans 1:17 describes s/e as “righteousness from God” that is by faith “from first to last” or from creation until the end.

3. Romans 2:4 teaches that God’s kindness or patience with sinners is meant to lead them toward repentance, which implies that sinners are able to repent because of God’s leading.

4. Romans 2:5 warns that those who do not repent but instead stubbornly resist God’s leading are storing up wrath against themselves for the day when God’s righteous judgment will be revealed, which implies that God enables sinners to repent–or not (cf. Deut. 30:19).

5. Romans 2:6 affirms what is called karma by saying that “God will give to each person according to what he has done”, which (in Gal. 6:7-9) is called reaping what a person sows.

6. Romans 2:7 speaks of the need for “persistence in doing good” and seeking glory, honor and immortality in order to receive s/e or eternal life, which echoes what Jesus commanded (in Matt. 7:7) and connects with the doctrine of perseverance (cf. Heb. 10:36 & Jam. 1:3-4).

7. Romans 2:11 teaches that “God does not show favoritism” (cf. Eph. 6:9, Col. 3:25, 1Pet. 1:17), which is how God judges people justly, so the fact that some sinners ignore God’s Gospel indicates that His will or leading is resistible because of MFW.

8. Romans 2:15 teaches that sinful souls have a conscience or awareness of “the requirements of the law”, which may be combined with Romans 1:20 to teach that God’s power and moral nature or will may be perceived via creation and conscience (called natural revelation), thus those unfamiliar with God’s Word in Scripture have no good reason for resisting divine leading and choosing atheism/evil.

9. Romans 3:20-21 states the law makes souls conscious of sin and that “the Law and Prophets testify” or prepare the way for the new revelation of righteousness from God apart from the Law, which takes up where Romans 1:17 left off.

10. Romans 3:22a says that “righteousness from God” or s/e comes through faith “in Jesus Christ” (cf. Eph. 2:8), a phrase Paul used eleven times in Ephesians 1:3-14 to indicate s/e.

11. Romans 3:22b says that God’s righteousness is given “to all who believe—there is no difference”” signifying that all sinners may believe or be s/e (cf. 1Tim. 2:3-4, John 3:16, Tit. 2:11), because there is no favoritism (#7).

12. Romans 3:23 teaches that “all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God”, meaning that no one can be good enough to earn salvation because of their own merit.

13. Romans 3:24 says sinners “are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus” (via faith per v.22, cf. 3:27-28); s/e is free because Christ paid the price/cost.

14. Romans 3:25a explains redemption as being “a sacrifice of atonement” for those who have faith in Christ’s work of dying in their place.

15. Romans 3:25b further explains that God demonstrated his just patience (#3) or forbearance in leaving unpunished those sins committed before the revealing of the Gospel (foreshadowed in Gen. 22:8 & 13), implying that sinners had/have the opportunity to believe and be s/e thereby demonstrating God’s justice/not showing favoritism (#11).

16. Romans 3:26 continues to emphasize divine justice by declaring it three ways (“justice…, just…, justifies”), which justness is synonymous with righteousness (2Thes. 1:5-6, Heb. 6:10).

17. Romans 4:1-25 presents Abraham as a Gentile who became the physical father of the Jews and the spiritual father of all who choose to have faith in God/Christ.

18. Romans 5:1 echoes Eph. 2:8 by describing s/e as justification through faith, Eph. 1:5 & 7 by using the phrase “through Jesus Christ”, and Eph. 2:14 by describing s/e as having peace with God.

19. Romans 5:2 & 5 also echo Eph. 2:18 & 3:1 by describing s/e as having access to God’s grace via the Holy Spirit.

20. Romans 5:6-10 states that God’s love (cf. kindness in #3) for the ungodly, for sinners and for His enemies is demonstrated by Christ dying for their s/e or justification/reconciliation.

21. Romans 5:12-21 describes s/e in corporate terms, saying that–like the first man–all (many?) men also sinned and died, and God’s grace comes to all (many?) because of Jesus Christ.

22. Romans 6:1-14 describes s/e in terms of Christians being united with Christ’s death and resurrection, so they who are under grace should not allow sin to reign in their bodies but should instead serve God as instruments of righteousness.

23. Romans 6:15-23 describes s/e in terms of being slaves to whom one willingly obeys, whether to sin or to obedience of God’s teaching that leads to righteousness, which results in eternal life “in Christ Jesus our Lord” (cf. #10).

24. Romans 7:1-6 describes s/e in terms of a wife’s remarriage after the death of her husband, saying that Christians have been released from the dead letter of the law so that they may serve God in the new way of the Spirit.

25. In Romans 7:7-25 Paul describes s/e in terms of struggle between what a person’s conscience wants to do and what his sinful nature causes him to do until he is rescued by Christ.

 

[Magenta]

How is it you are here this long and are still inept at quoting properly? Also I am unclear about what the verses you provide are supposed to show. I mean it is not like any of us who oppose all the ridiculous assertions put forth by free willers deny what Scripture says. The free will crowd is infamous for doing that, though! You are essentially agreeing with what we have said and then throw in a whole bunch of completely irrelevant verses, and add explanations as if they are somehow required when they have zero to do with the conversation. You also seem ignorant of the fact that some here claim God is not required to intervene in any way at all.

 

[GWH]

More Biblical Truth for the free will crowd to gripe about, contradict, and outright deny:

Man is deceitful (Jeremiah 17 verse 9), full of evil (Mark 7 verses 21-23), loves darkness rather than light (John 3 verse 19), cannot come to God on his own (John 6 verse 44), does not seek for God (Romans 3 verses 10-12), is helpless and ungoans 5 verse 6), nothing good dwells in his flesh(Romans 7 verse 18), is a slave of sin (Romans 6 verse 20; John 8 verse 34; 2 Timothy 2 verse 26), cannot receive spiritual things (1 Corinthians 2 verse 14), is dead in his sins (Ephesians 2 verse 1), is by nature a child of wrath (Ephesians 2 verse 3), is at enmity with God (Ephesians 2 verse 15), hostile to God and cannot submit to God's law (Romans 8 verse 7). Therefore we rightfully conclude in accordance with the conditions described of the natural man in Scripture that his inherent inclination is to reject God. Thanks be to God, Who appoints people to believe (Acts 13 verse 48), chooses who is to be holy and blameless (Ephesians 1 verse 4), predestines us to adoption (Ephesians 1 verse 5), calls according to His purpose (2 Timothy 1 verse 9), chooses us for salvation (2 Thessalonians 2 verse 13), leads us to and grants us repentanrses 24-25), grants the act of believing (Philippians 1 verse 29), works faith in the believer (John 6 verses 28-29), causes us to be born again (1 Peter 1 verse 3), born again not by our will but by His will (John ple to Himself (John 6 verse 44), grants that we come to Jesus (John 6 verse 65), predestines us to salvation (Romans 8 verses 29- 30), and circumcises our heart (Romans 2 verse 29), all according to His purpose (Ephesians 1 verse 11).

TOP #231: God wants everyone to be saved or believe the true faith that there is one God and one mediator, who is the man, Christ Jesus. [1Tim. 2:3-7, cf. Ezek. 33:11] This is perhaps the most foundational passage in the TOP. All interpretation of Scripture should conform with this manifold teaching: 1. God loves everyone including His enemies including Satan (cf. Matt. 5:44&48), 2. Thus God prevents no one from choosing to believe the truth as revealed and be saved or elect (Matt. 23:37, Acts 28:26-27), 3. The full truth is the gospel that Christ paid the ransom for sin and thus is the Way to heaven (John 14:6).

TOP #224: God sends those who refuse to love the truth a delusion so they will believe the lie. [2Thes. 2:10-12] This is akin to Rom. 1:18-32 (TOP #10), and it also indicates the opposite of cooperation between human volition and divine will (TOP #214).

TOP #225: From the beginning God chose to save those who believed the true Gospel and thus received the Spirit who sanctifies them as they persevere in learning GW. [2Thes. 2:13-17&3:5] Such sanctification involves being encouraged. This teaching adds to #210 by connecting GW and HS to the Gospel truth and persevering sanctification (#211&220).

TOP #236: God’s POS includes all souls potentially but is effective for those who believe His Gospel. [1Tim. 4:8-10] Paul called cooperating with GW “godliness” and said its training is superior to physical exercise because it goes beyond earthly health by resulting in heavenly life.

TOP #250: From the beginning God planned to grace souls with salvation to heaven who believed in the Gospel that Jesus is Christ. [2Tim. 1:8-10]

TOP #251: Souls who know Jesus should not be ashamed of Christian faith, because they may be convinced that God is able to resurrect souls on “that” day. [2Tim. 1:10-12] That day must refer to the day of Judgment (2Cor. 5:10, Heb. 9:27).

TOP #252: Christians should be willing to suffer persecution because of witnessing for Christ. [2Tim. 2:8-13, 1:8, 3:12] Suffering is akin to the struggling mentioned in TOP #201. It is mitigated or compensated by the joy of salvation (TOP #28).

TOP #253: Christians should do their best to correctly handle the word of truth. [2Tim. 2:14-19] The parameters mentioned in this passage include: 1. Warning against and avoiding quarreling about words, 2. Avoiding godless chatter or teaching, 3. Denying the resurrection has already occurred, 4. Turning away from wickedness, 5. Pursuing righteousness, faith, love and peace, 6. Teaching those who disagree with the truth gently.

TOP #254: In the last days people will reject God and be lovers of themselves (I-dolaters). [2Tim. 3:1-9] Symptoms of this terrible time include: love of money, pride, abusiveness, disrespect for parents, ingratitude, lack of love, forgiveness and self-control, slander and love of pleasure rather than of good. Such idolatry and its symptoms is related to TOP #10-15, 21, 101, etc.

TOP #255: By learning Scripture Christians may be wise regarding correct doctrine, rebuking and righteousness, becoming equipped for doing good works. [2Tim. 3:14-17&4:5] This a significant nuance or elaboration of TOP #157 & 202. Paul applies it by charging Timothy with preaching God’s Word, correcting false doctrine, rebuking sin and encouraging persevering faith.

TOP #256: The time will come when many will reject true teachings in order to do what they desire. [2Tim. 4:3-4, Tit. 1:14] Instead, they will believe human traditions (cf. TOP #202, 204, 205), which Paul called “myths” here and in TOP #227 & 235.

 

[Magenta]

TOP #

Your gobbeldegoop is meaningless. Speak English please. You lied about doing this before.

Many of the Scriptures you post are not in contention. But if they are relevant to the discussion you should be
placing them before the free will crowd. They love to contradict and deny what God's revealed written Word says.