Scripture's meaning of God's Elect

[BillyBob]

When scripture speaks of election, or “God's Elect”, what does this mean?
I have seen posts which indicate that “God loves all and does not show favoritism”.

• So, does this indicated that the entire world is included in the “Elect of God” or does it speak of only God's chosen people?
• If it refers to God's chosen people, can a non-elect person become saved, or can an elect person become lost?
• If it refers to all men, then why is it even mentioned?

Your thoughts!

 

[shittim]

those "set aside for Him"

 

[Blain]

When scripture speaks of election, or “God's Elect”, what does this mean?
I have seen posts which indicate that “God loves all and does not show favoritism”.

• So, does this indicated that the entire world is included in the “Elect of God” or does it speak of only God's chosen people?
• If it refers to God's chosen people, can a non-elect person become saved, or can an elect person become lost?
• If it refers to all men, then why is it even mentioned?

Your thoughts!

To be honest when it speaks of his elect or chosen people the only people I have seen called that are the jews God's chosen people. So the elct or chosen could perhaps be speaking of the jews but if it is speaking of those who come to Christ as well those grafted in then maybe that is them being brought into the fold of the chosen or elect.

There are those who believe they are part of the elect or chosen and look down upon those who are not saved and say if they are not the elect they cannot be saved this ties into predestination/freewilldebates as well.

But something seems to be missing to me

 

[Pilgrimshope]

When scripture speaks of election, or “God's Elect”, what does this mean?
I have seen posts which indicate that “God loves all and does not show favoritism”.

• So, does this indicated that the entire world is included in the “Elect of God” or does it speak of only God's chosen people?
• If it refers to God's chosen people, can a non-elect person become saved, or can an elect person become lost?
• If it refers to all men, then why is it even mentioned?

Your thoughts!

Jesus is the elect man of God everyone else was found to be unworthy and so Gods elect are those in Christ It makes them one with him that makes them the elect seed of Abraham

This makes a person the elect and chosen of God because they are in the chosen and elect one

“Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:16, 26-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

along ago it was determined that no man was left on earth worthy and so all things are now in Christ the one worthy lamb he is the elect chosen before creation ….. anyone who is in Christ then becomes u tied with him making them “ an elect “ bit not because of them being chosen before because he was and we are united with him

he only chose and pre determined Christ before the foundation anyone who accepts Christs becomes one with him who was chosen ……..

 

[Magenta]

Nobody can come to Christ unless they are first given to Jesus by God Who draws them with loving kindness to engender repentance. Those given to Jesus will come to Jesus. Since not all come it would seem not all are given. People conflate a lot of subtitles in the complexities of these issues such as believing since man makes choices his will is free, and yet everyone lost is under the power and influence of Satan who has blinded them, and some are specifically said to be taken captive to do the will of the devil. I do not see freedom in that, and it is of a certainty that Scripture makes plain that it is Jesus Who sets us free. Some people also claim that everyone hears even though Jesus said otherwise, and also it is plainly stated that to the lost the gospel message is foolishness... if hearing does not encompass comprehension, what is the point? Then those people who contradict that say it only applies to Jews as if human nature is somehow different for them. The whole world is blinded, and the natural man is hostile in his mind to God and opposed to the Spiritual things of God which he can nether receive/accept nor comprehend.

 

[Magenta]

Eh, LOL not subtitles but subtleties.

 

[Blain]

Nobody can come to Christ unless they are first given to Jesus by God Who draws them with loving kindness to engender repentance. Those given to Jesus will come to Jesus. Since not all come it would seem not all are given. People conflate a lot of subtitles in the complexities of these issues such as believing since man makes choices his will is free, and yet everyone lost is under the power and influence of Satan who has blinded them, and some are specifically said to be taken captive to do the will of the devil. I do not see freedom in that, and it is of a certainty that Scripture makes plain that it is Jesus Who sets us free. Some people also claim that everyone hears even though Jesus said otherwise, and also it is plainly stated that to the lost the gospel message is foolishness... if hearing does not encompass comprehension, what is the point? Then those people who contradict that say it only applies to Jews as if human nature is somehow different for them. The whole world is blinded, and the natural man is hostile in his mind to God and opposed to the Spiritual things of God which he can nether receive/accept nor comprehend.

(pulls out popcorn and waits for the calvanists to arrive...)

 

[DeanM]

Ive heard it said that the coming of Jesus Christ was what was predestined.

 

[Magenta]

Here is a bit of a test for people to take, to see how many questions they answer "Yes" or "No" to.

What Say You? ~ When Scripture says there are none good, does it mean some are good? When Scripture says we all fall short, does it mean there are some who meet God's standards? When Scripture says, "The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned..." Does it mean the natural man can understand the spiritual things of God? Does it mean he really can understand the gospel message even though it is heard as foolishness to him as Scriptures say? Is the natural man gifted with wisdom even though he has no fear of God, which is the beginning of wisdom? Will the lover of darkness come into the light even though Scripture says he will not, because he suppresses the truth of God in unrighteousness and is actually defined as darkness itself, hates the light, and is a slave to sin, blinded to the truth and captive to the will of the devil, which many define as being free? Is the heart of the natural man, the stony ground which needs to be replaced, fit for receiving and growing the Seed of God's Word into faith? Will that incurably wicked heart choose of its own accord to believe? Will that bad tree bring forth the good fruit of faith even though Jesus said it was not possible?

 

[Magenta]

To be honest when it speaks of his elect or chosen people the only people I have seen called that are the jews God's chosen people. So the elct or chosen could perhaps be speaking of the jews but if it is speaking of those who come to Christ as well those grafted in then maybe that is them being brought into the fold of the chosen or elect.

There are those who believe they are part of the elect or chosen and look down upon those who are not saved
and say if they are not the elect they cannot be saved this ties into predestination/freewilldebates as well.

But something seems to be missing to me

I find it odd for people to claim they have not been called.

But then we have those here who claim God is unfair if He does something Scripture plainly shows He does. Who are these people???

Romans 8 verse 29-30; Ephesians 1 verse 5 ~ Those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified. He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will.

 

[Blain]

I find it odd for people to claim they have not been called.

But then we have those here who claim God is unfair if He does something Scripture plainly shows He does. Who are these people???

Romans 8 verse 29-30; Ephesians 1 verse 5 ~ Those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified. He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will.

I have been told that it is unfair that I have had divine encounters with God and that speaking about them might make some jealous.....so I syopped speaking about them. But divine encounters happen all throughout the bible and why I have had them and others have not is beyond me but to say it is unfair well I don't know I mean God is not unfair but I can sort of see their point as well

 

[Magenta]

I have been told that it is unfair that I have had divine encounters with God and that speaking about them might make some jealous.....so I stopped speaking about them. But divine encounters happen all throughout the bible and why I have had them and others have not is beyond me but to say it is unfair well I don't know I mean God is not unfair but I can sort of see their point as well

I cannot see any Christian as making a valid point to say God is unfair. Unbelievers saying it is a different matter altogether.

 

[shittim]

What He does for one, He will do for another. That is the God I have come to know.
Blessings

 

[Pilgrimshope]

What He does for one, He will do for another. That is the God I have come to know.
Blessings

Of course

“Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: but in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:34-35‬ ‭KJV‬‬

But you can’t tell the chosen ones tbat they are the chosen ones who don’t have to be judged like all mankind god just simply chose them to live and everyone else to die

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Ive heard it said that the coming of Jesus Christ was what was predestined.

exactly

“Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:22-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

what’s “ pre destined “ is written in the prophets “

“Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭42:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened, and the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭3:21-22‬ ‭

He’s the elect promised to give judgement to all nations

“But when Jesus knew it, he withdrew himself from thence: and great multitudes followed him, and he healed them all; and charged them that they should not make him known: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; My beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, And he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles. A bruised reed shall he not break, And smoking flax shall he not quench, Till he send forth judgment unto victory. And in his name shall the Gentiles trust.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭12:15-18, 20-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He is alone the chosen one , the elect of God in whom God is delighted and well pleased who he put his spirit upon and who brought forth the gospel the judgements of God to all people

 

[GWH]

When scripture speaks of election, or “God's Elect”, what does this mean?
I have seen posts which indicate that “God loves all and does not show favoritism”.

• So, does this indicated that the entire world is included in the “Elect of God” or does it speak of only God's chosen people?
• If it refers to God's chosen people, can a non-elect person become saved, or can an elect person become lost?
• If it refers to all men, then why is it even mentioned?

Your thoughts!

You probably know my answers, but here they are anyway:

1. God's love is unconditional and includes all humanity in His POS.
2. God's forgiveness of sin is conditional upon repentance and willingness to cooperate with His will.
3. God enables all sinners to repent, cooperate with His will or become elect/saved.
4. God's elect refers to those sinners who repent, and non-elect are those who ignore His Word/resist His HS.
5. An elect soul is free to sin, become prodigal and get lost.
6. If everything is determined, why have CC?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

You probably know my answers, but here they are anyway:

1. God's love is unconditional and includes all humanity in His POS.
2. God's forgiveness of sin is conditional upon repentance and willingness to cooperate with His will.
3. God enables all sinners to repent, cooperate with His will or become elect/saved.
4. God's elect refers to those sinners who repent, and non-elect are those who ignore His Word/resist His HS.
5. An elect soul is free to sin, become prodigal and get lost.
6. If everything is determined, why have CC?

“God's love is unconditional and includes all humanity in His POS.”

Only unconditional until we choose our allegiance

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

his love for all gave us Jesus bit our love for him brings the determination of our end

“Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;

and repayeth them that hate him to their face, to destroy them: he will not be slack to him that hateth him, he will repay him to his face.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭7:9-10‬ ‭

He loves us all so he gave his only begotten for us …..but at some point we have to return the love or it’s not complete like a husband who loves his adulterous wife ….the marriage is doomed if she doesn’t repent and become faithful to her husband he loves her but she found his love u worthy and wanted other things other men …. It’s not a failure of his love towards her it’s her fault


“God's forgiveness of sin is conditional upon repentance and willingness to cooperate with His will.”

“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭13:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:21‬ ‭

 

[Cameron143]

Eh, LOL not subtitles but subtleties.

Subtitles would have made it easier to follow.

 

[Cameron143]

So many people misunderstand what it means that God is no respecter of persons. For some reason people conflate this doctrine to mean that God treats everyone equally. This notion is easily dismissed, as scripture and history readily show this is not the case.
So what does it mean? If we look at Deuteronomy 7, God explains what He means in the choosing of Israel. In verse 7, God makes it plain that He did not choose Israel because of anything that was true of them. In verse 8, He makes it just as plain that He chose solely on the basis of what is true of Him. Hence, God not being a respecter of persons has nothing to do with God's equal treatment of people; it is concerned with how God chooses as He does. That is, God chooses sovereignly and without regard to what is true of people.

 

[Magenta]

So many people misunderstand what it means that God is no respecter of persons. For some reason people conflate this doctrine to mean that God treats everyone equally. This notion is easily dismissed, as scripture and history readily show this is not the case.
So what does it mean? If we look at Deuteronomy 7, God explains what He means in the choosing of Israel. In verse 7, God makes it plain that He did not choose Israel because of anything that was true of them. In verse 8, He makes it just as plain that He chose solely on the basis of what is true of Him. Hence, God not being a respecter of persons has nothing to do with God's equal treatment of people; it is concerned with how God chooses as He does. That is, God chooses sovereignly and without regard to what is true of people.

That is an excellent explanation, Cameron! But now we may have people screeching about God's sovreignty which often seems to follow on the heels of anyone speaking about God acting unilaterally. In fact we have been told that for God to act unilaterally makes Him an unjust tyrannical monster kidnapping people against their free will. I don't know what kind of wicked mind comes up with thinking blaspheming God is preferable to accepting what Scripture says of Him, but they are here, and they have people agreeing with them.