Israel.

[HeIsHere]

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Last time I checked, I'm a Gentile. It dealt mainly with the Jews but he was speaking to both.

Let me explain, corporate future.

Let's see you put together a rebuttal to the correct system of interpretation of not only scripture, but all written treatise.

Waiting?

 

[Daisy2]

haha I'm reading how King Herod burned all of the genealogy records in the public archives in order to hide his Idumean origin.

The claim that King Herod burned all of the genealogy records in the public archives to hide his Idumean origin is not supported by the Bible and is considered historically doubtful by most scholars.

• The story originates from later sources, especially the third-century Christian historian Africanus, who claimed that Herod destroyed the genealogical records to conceal his family's non-Jewish background. However, this account is not found in the Bible.
• Scholarly analysis suggests that Jewish genealogical records continued to exist up until the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 CE, and the story of Herod burning them is viewed with skepticism. The records were meticulously kept and referenced by priests and families, and there is no contemporary evidence from the time of Herod to confirm such an act.
• Some later Christian writers and popular summaries repeat the claim, but it is not corroborated by primary Jewish or Roman sources.

Conclusion:
The statement is false according to both the biblical record and most historical scholarship. The story about Herod burning the genealogical records is a later tradition and not a verified historical or biblical fact

Africanus wrote in the early 3rd century CE (c. 160–c. 240 CE), while Herod the Great ruled from 40/37 BCE to approximately 4 BCE. This means Africanus lived about 200 years after Herod the Great. and knowing how the Israelites are even if they were burnt they would have just started writing genealogy all over again. As ancient Israelites also practice oral tradition genealogy would have not been hard for them.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

But search the Scripture not opinions.
If you find more, please post the Scripture it is revealed in.

People are of the opinion that the 144,000 can only be physical descendants of Israel. Based on what? I posted Jacob's prophecy that says the seed of Israel would become a fullness of gentiles. The only way that prophecy makes sense is if he meant the spiritual seed of Israel.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

The claim that King Herod burned all of the genealogy records in the public archives to hide his Idumean origin is not supported by the Bible and is considered historically doubtful by most scholars.

• The story originates from later sources, especially the third-century Christian historian Africanus, who claimed that Herod destroyed the genealogical records to conceal his family's non-Jewish background. However, this account is not found in the Bible.
• Scholarly analysis suggests that Jewish genealogical records continued to exist up until the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 CE, and the story of Herod burning them is viewed with skepticism. The records were meticulously kept and referenced by priests and families, and there is no contemporary evidence from the time of Herod to confirm such an act.
• Some later Christian writers and popular summaries repeat the claim, but it is not corroborated by primary Jewish or Roman sources.

Conclusion:
The statement is false according to both the biblical record and most historical scholarship. The story about Herod burning the genealogical records is a later tradition and not a verified historical or biblical fact

Africanus wrote in the early 3rd century CE (c. 160–c. 240 CE), while Herod the Great ruled from 40/37 BCE to approximately 4 BCE. This means Africanus lived about 200 years after Herod the Great. and knowing how the Israelites are even if they were burnt they would have just started writing genealogy all over again. As ancient Israelites also practice oral tradition genealogy would have not been hard for them.

Irrelevant, They were certainly destroyed by 70AD

 

[Aaron56]

LOL! You better tell Christ and John that!

Revelation
5 of the tribe of Judah twelve thousand were sealed;


Oh, that's right, you guys don't believe the Bible as written. You have to allegorize clear passages like this.

My bad.

Ironically, you equate the earthly idea of who belongs to Judah to the heavenly reality of who belongs to Judah.

Is Christ your Everlasting Father? If so, you are of the line of Judah (he calls you 'brother' and 'friend'). The heavenly Judah has the right to hold the scepter of rule given by God. This rule extends to all of creation: physical and spiritual. The earthly Judah was the shadow. The heavenly Judah is the reality that is eternal.

 

[Daisy2]

Irrelevant, They were certainly destroyed by 70AD

there was still oral tradition each family that was in Israel at that time knew there own line. you don't think something so important that God commanded them to do would just become irrelevant to them? I think not. they kept their genealogy.

 

[Aaron56]

I like how the discussion is about who is currently living in the land of Israel today and that can be explained by simple science [DNA] but due to facts quantifying truths suddenly people are tossing up dictators. It truly screams desperation. Either people want a truthful discussion or they don't. Typically that reveals which side of the fence one stands at. Those wanting truth are simply revealing facts and those who don't are promoting false doctrine. Imagine that!

That's the natural progression of 'wisdom from below' when the flesh is elevated over the eternal: men kill other men. It also explains how so many can be callous about the 60,000+ Arabs who have died (only recently) at the hands of Israel. Gods (small 'g') of war demand worship by bloodshed. The souls of many are eased (and even elated) when Arab blood is spilled.

 

[lrs68]

That's the natural progression of 'wisdom from below' when the flesh is elevated over the eternal: men kill other men. It also explains how so many can be callous about the 60,000+ Arabs who have died (only recently) at the hands of Israel. Gods (small 'g') of war demand worship by bloodshed. The souls of many are eased (and even elated) when Arab blood is spilled.

The majority of Jews that obey the Torah understand that the Muslim are descendants of Abraham like themselves and haven't + opposed war. If you look at who started the wars in the past 50 years it's been Muslim nationalists. It's ironic how one can see Isaac and Ishmael but the other can only see big and little Satan. I understand not every Muslim citizen has this same view but they still send their male children off to train for the regime that teaches young boys as young as 6,7,8 to shoot to kill the Jews.

It's not the Jews celebrating these lives lost but the world who's tired of the Muslim infiltration into every Nation wreaking havoc upon civilization.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

But search the Scripture not opinions.
If you find more, please post the Scripture it is revealed in.

Other scripture is Revelation 12:5 and 2:26-27. The 144,000 are rulers with the lamb on Mt Zion who rule the nations with a rod of iron. That promise is given to those who conquer the works of the flesh and guard Christ's works.

And she brought forth a man-child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and [to] his throne. Revelation 12:5​

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And he that conquers and guards my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. Revelation 2:26-27​

The word Israel means ruler (prince) with God.

And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. Genesis 32:28​

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So as I see it Israel in God's eyes are those who rule the flesh and guard Christ's works

 

[Aaron56]

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Last time I checked, I'm a Gentile. It dealt mainly with the Jews but he was speaking to both.

The scripture reads "For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise."

So are you not in Christ?

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Let me explain, corporate future.

Let's see you put together a rebuttal to the correct system of interpretation of not only scripture, but all written treatise.

Waiting?

No, you can start with how an everlasting, unconditional covenant isn't what God says. In fact, explain how covenants were made at all! I've asked that a dozen times at least and no one has answered. I believe I know why. But start there.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

The scripture reads "For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise."

So are you not in Christ?

Where did I say that? I have a sister. If when we were children he promised her a reward for good grades and he keeps that promise, does that mean we're from a different family?! Does that mean I don't inherit what my father has along with my sister? No. It simply means he's keeping a promise he made. Incredibly simple.

 

[lrs68]

Other scripture is Revelation 12:5 and 2:26-27. The 144,000 are rulers with the lamb on Mt Zion who rule the nations with a rod of iron. That promise is given to those who conquer the works of the flesh and guard Christ's works.

And she brought forth a man-child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and [to] his throne. Revelation 12:5​

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And he that conquers and guards my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. Revelation 2:26-27​

The word Israel means ruler (prince) with God.

And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. Genesis 32:28​

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So as I see it Israel in God's eyes are those who rule the flesh and guard Christ's works

God called Jacob Israel because literally all of the citizens of the nation of Israel came from the loins of Jacob. His sons and daughter(s) populated an entire Nation and DNA reveals it still does.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

there was still oral tradition each family that was in Israel at that time knew there own line. you don't think something so important that God commanded them to do would just become irrelevant to them? I think not. they kept their genealogy.

All of the Jews in Jerusalem were slaughtered or sent to mines in Egypt as slaves. So no, i don't think genealogy was important to them. Many that escaped prior or from other areas assimilated with the nations they fled to, so no I don"t think genealogy was important to them

 

[Daisy2]

The majority of Jews that obey the Torah understand that the Muslim are descendants of Abraham like themselves and haven't + opposed war. If you look at who started the wars in the past 50 years it's been Muslim nationalists. It's ironic how one can see Isaac and Ishmael but the other can only see big and little Satan. I understand not every Muslim citizen has this same view but they still send their male children off to train for the regime that teaches young boys as young as 6,7,8 to shoot to kill the Jews.It's not the Jews celebrating these lives lost but the world who's tired of the Muslim infiltration into every Nation wreaking havoc upon civilization.

As i understand it God put enemies around Israel on purpose to prove them. The Muslims on the other hand want the Israelites out of there because that's what their Quran say. The Israelites staying in the middle east occupying Israel proves their religion is false.

Now these are the nations which the Lord left, to prove Israel by them, even as many of Israel as had not known all the wars of Canaan; Only that the generations of the children of Israel might know, to teach them war, at the least such as before knew nothing thereof... And they were to prove Israel by them, to know whether they would hearken unto the commandments of the Lord, which he commanded their fathers by the hand of Moses."
Judges 3:1-4 Zechariah 12, describe God allowing surrounding nations to come against Jerusalem, but ultimately promising to defend and deliver His people.​

 

[Aaron56]

Where did I say that? I have a sister. If when we were children he promised her a reward for good grades and he keeps that promise, does that mean we're from a different family?! Does that mean I don't inherit what my father has along with my sister? No. It simply means he's keeping a promise he made. Incredibly simple.

But, in Christ you are not a Gentile yet you say you are. So which is it?

 

[lrs68]

As i understand it God put enemies around Israel on purpose to prove them. The Muslims on the other hand want the Israelites out of there because that's what their Quran say. The Israelites staying in the middle east occupying Israel proves their religion is false.

Now these are the nations which the Lord left, to prove Israel by them, even as many of Israel as had not known all the wars of Canaan; Only that the generations of the children of Israel might know, to teach them war, at the least such as before knew nothing thereof... And they were to prove Israel by them, to know whether they would hearken unto the commandments of the Lord, which he commanded their fathers by the hand of Moses."​

Judges 3:1-4 Zechariah 12, describe God allowing surrounding nations to come against Jerusalem, but ultimately promising to defend and deliver His people.​

Amen!

It's funny because the Muslim nations are massive and full of resources like crude oil that provides billions in revenue yearly.

Israel is all rock and basically grows food from trees, bushes, what little fields they have.

And for some reason the Muslim wants this region of Israel all to themselves when it wouldn't benefit them financially at all. But like you have mentioned the Quran and the ancient discourse between Ishmael and Isaac.

 

[HeIsHere]

No, you can start with how an everlasting, unconditional covenant isn't what God says. In fact, explain how covenants were made at all! I've asked that a dozen times at least and no one has answered. I believe I know why. But start there.

Simply more bad hermeneutics made to fit a system for a geo-political agenda.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

But, in Christ you are not a Gentile yet you say you are. So which is it?

I'm a grafted in Gentile when we are speaking of Romans 11 and if the time of the Gentiles had ended. Jews are still blinded at this point. So the time of the Gentiles has not ended.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Simply more bad hermeneutics made to fit a system for a geo-political agenda.

I didn't ask for your opinion. I asked a question.