Lol ok, passive aggressive it is. I thought we were beyond that now with all the fencing we do here but c'est la vie. 
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Well, just so you know negative teasing is textbook passive-aggressive.
Everyone under the Law that died before Yeshua arrived or even before His 3 1|2 year ministry, death, burial, resurrection would have immediately been transfered to the same condition of Salvation that we are under currently.
The people alive during Yeshua's ministry, death, burial, resurrection were [blinded\deafened] in order to kill Yeshua.
Once Yeshua resurrected and the Holy Spirit began living inside the hearts of people the Law became a symbol that we use to define sin and the need for a Savior.
There never was 2 Covenants but merely 1 that was [(Revised)].
But none of that changes the fact that when the Bible mentions the Chosen\Elect People it's referring to the Jews. That was established in Deuteronomy 32 and has never changed.
However, it was amended to allow those other than Jews to be [Grafted In]. It was also amended once a person becomes part of the [(BRANCH)] they are no longer Jew\Gentile.
None of that ^ (past 6 paragraphs\sentences) ^ proclaim those currently living in Israel are not Jews. That is an outright lie created by a misguided doctrine aimed to a people that some despise and hate with everything about them.
The people alive during Yeshua's ministry, death, burial, resurrection were [blinded\deafened] in order to kill Yeshua.
Once Yeshua resurrected and the Holy Spirit began living inside the hearts of people the Law became a symbol that we use to define sin and the need for a Savior.
There never was 2 Covenants but merely 1 that was [(Revised)].
But none of that changes the fact that when the Bible mentions the Chosen\Elect People it's referring to the Jews. That was established in Deuteronomy 32 and has never changed.
However, it was amended to allow those other than Jews to be [Grafted In]. It was also amended once a person becomes part of the [(BRANCH)] they are no longer Jew\Gentile.
None of that ^ (past 6 paragraphs\sentences) ^ proclaim those currently living in Israel are not Jews. That is an outright lie created by a misguided doctrine aimed to a people that some despise and hate with everything about them.
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Don't confuse the nation of Israel with the people. There are believers, agnostics, orthodox Jews and all kinds of people living in Israel. There is a great turning towards Jesus going on right now. People have heard the message from many preachers because it's in His word. That includes Derek Prince, who was living in Jerusalem when independence was declared. Israel's victory was miraculous. That Israel exists should silence the naysayers. But people are good at twisting the scriptures to suit their own preconceived notions.
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Lol ok, passive aggressive it is. I thought we were beyond that now with all the fencing we do here but c'est la vie.
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Prophecy being fulfilled before our very eyes, 👀 God's will's .... Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, and part of Egypt... it is in the OT!!
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The Bible clearly states "Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: neither, because they are the descendant of Abraham, are they all children"
So as long as you're not saying that sharing flesh with Abraham = God's chosen you would be correct.
So as long as you're not saying that sharing flesh with Abraham = God's chosen you would be correct.
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“And do not think you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham.”
Matthew 3:9 NIV
“So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:26-27, 29 NIV
Matthew 3:9 NIV
“So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:26-27, 29 NIV
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And this gets to the heart of the issue: "And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven."
This was spoken to Jews, who called Abraham their father... as if association with Abraham meant anything of lasting value. No, all men, with the mind of Christ, were to conclude that their origin is from God. And, because of that, their standard of life, belief, and culture was to be the same as God's: in image and likeness.
This was spoken to Jews, who called Abraham their father... as if association with Abraham meant anything of lasting value. No, all men, with the mind of Christ, were to conclude that their origin is from God. And, because of that, their standard of life, belief, and culture was to be the same as God's: in image and likeness.
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You are quite correct.
Words are not as rigid as we would like them to be. They are rarely unconditional.
Example:
John 19:30 "So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit."
If someone would insist that "It is finished" is unconditional then the need for Jesus to be raised from the dead would not be needed.
There is a tacit understanding in all language, those who push a certain narrative will ignore this.
Words are not as rigid as we would like them to be. They are rarely unconditional.
Example:
John 19:30 "So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit."
If someone would insist that "It is finished" is unconditional then the need for Jesus to be raised from the dead would not be needed.
There is a tacit understanding in all language, those who push a certain narrative will ignore this.
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Indeed the covenant made specifically with the children of Israel
“See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil; in that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.
But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them; I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.”
Deuteronomy 30:15-18 KJV
“Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: and ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.”
Exodus 19:5-6
Then there’s the children of Abraham
“As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations. Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.”
Genesis 17:4-5 KJV
“Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
…For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. ( aBrahmans seed of promise not of Abraham’s flesh but of his faith ) There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:16, 27-29
the hiers are the children and the children can only be in the Son. Which makes them children. I believe anyone israelite or gentile can be saved and born again into Abraham’s promised family four hundred years prior to Israel’s covenant regarding this earthly land
“See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil; in that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.
But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them; I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.”
Deuteronomy 30:15-18 KJV
“Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: and ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.”
Exodus 19:5-6
Then there’s the children of Abraham
“As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations. Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.”
Genesis 17:4-5 KJV
“Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
…For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. ( aBrahmans seed of promise not of Abraham’s flesh but of his faith ) There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:16, 27-29
the hiers are the children and the children can only be in the Son. Which makes them children. I believe anyone israelite or gentile can be saved and born again into Abraham’s promised family four hundred years prior to Israel’s covenant regarding this earthly land
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I do agree with this 100% concerning the Greek understanding it's very much like the English Language where a single word can have a multitude of meanings.
But for the most part because the Hebrew Language consist of 22 Letters which also acts like numbers with a specific Numerical Value it's rather easy to pinpoint the meaning. The word will match what value in meaning + will compliment the entire thought for the whole Verse structure.
And She was showing a Hebrew example of forever\eternity and the value of the Hebrew word also matches. So unless you are familiar with both value and meaning it would be best to say nothing.
And before you ramble off here, REMEMBER, it was God who formatted and chose the Hebrew Language.
Science claims the Universe can be explained Mathematically and they are correct.
When God spoke the the Universe into existence and explained it to Moshe, God revealed each spoken word had a Numerical Value. So each word God used would have been a Mathematical equivalent to a Numerical Value.
But for the most part because the Hebrew Language consist of 22 Letters which also acts like numbers with a specific Numerical Value it's rather easy to pinpoint the meaning. The word will match what value in meaning + will compliment the entire thought for the whole Verse structure.
And She was showing a Hebrew example of forever\eternity and the value of the Hebrew word also matches. So unless you are familiar with both value and meaning it would be best to say nothing.
And before you ramble off here, REMEMBER, it was God who formatted and chose the Hebrew Language.
Science claims the Universe can be explained Mathematically and they are correct.
When God spoke the the Universe into existence and explained it to Moshe, God revealed each spoken word had a Numerical Value. So each word God used would have been a Mathematical equivalent to a Numerical Value.