Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[Mem]

Please include the passage reference.

If I may be helpful:
Deuteronomy
6For you are a people holy to the LORD your God. The LORD your God has chosen you to be a people for His prized possession out of all peoples on the face of the earth.
7The LORD did not set His affection on you and choose you because you were more numerous than the other peoples, for you were the fewest of all peoples. 8But because the LORD loved you and kept the oath He swore to your fathers, He brought you out with a mighty hand and redeemed you from the house of slavery, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.

 

[Cameron143]

Please do not conflate personal individual salvation with the God using Israel to bring about that personal individual salvation.

I'm not. I'm establishing a pattern for how God chooses. Whether He is chooing an individual or a nation is immaterial.

 

[HeIsHere]

I'm not. I'm establishing a pattern for how God chooses. Whether He is choosing an individual or a nation is immaterial.

Yes I know, all the stories, parables, conversations, letters, poems, etc. are written so God can reveal how He chooses some and denies others salvation >>> Reprobation.

It is only immaterial to you because salvation is not personal ... it is elitist/elect/caste system.
They were chosen for service. Each one believed or did not believe.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

So...since you say there is "no reconciliation decree" in Gen 3:15, then Eve in her state of sin remained at once an enemy of God and an enemy of the devil. Eve hated both good and evil. And in your world, this makes sense.

what you claim is "[my] world" does not equal "[my] world".

I have explained what is written in Gen 3:15 and it is obvious you will not consider what is written, yet you have no Scriptural response ... all you have is your surmising concerning "[my] world".

And I posted the evidence for Eve's faith. She, UNLIKE ADAM, acknowledged and expressed gratitude to God for giving her her firstborn son

in agreement Eve acknowledged she had gotten a man from the Lord (Gen 4:1) ... I also believe Eve may have thought Cain was the promised seed of (Gen 3:15).

and then later another son who succeeded Abel. Plus she is called the mother of ALL the living.

rolleyes ... by the guy you claim "by excluding Adam from his reconciliation promise which can only mean that God consigned Adam to be a child of the Serpent".

Since, by your own words that Adam was consigned to be a child of the serpent, perhaps Adam was lying and Eve really isn't "the mother of ALL the living".

I believe the term "mother of ALL the living" means that Eve is the mother of all physically living.

God is the Father of all spiritual living.

You can refer to yourself as a "child of Eve" if you'd like.

Scripture tells me I am a child of God.

So, remind me again of all the passages that reveal Adam's faith and spiritual status.

why ... you have shown that you're not interested ...

Is Adam the daddy of all the living. He must be if God saved him.

drivel from the driveler

But then again...why is it that scripture never says anything about Adam?

because you haven't done your homework ?
because you cancelled Adam ?
because you don't want Adam on the pedestal with Eve ?
because ____________ [fill in the blank]

I provided enough Scripture for you to start considering the fact that there may be more to Adam than you allow. It's up to you whether you'll actually study the matter.

You must think that all the negative press that Adam receives in the Word must be his salvation badge of honor?

you mean like this?

Genesis 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him

Genesis 5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth

Luke 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.
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[Inquisitor]

God has appointed everyone in positions of authority, whether or not perceived as good or evil.

All through history our leaders have been a selfish, greedy, dangerous, group of people.

There are exceptions of course.

Your saying that God elected Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, etc.

Romans 13:3
For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil.

Well clearly, the Nazis were not promoting good behavior but holocaust and war.

This begs the question does God elect evil governments who promote evil behavior?

 

[Cameron143]

Yes I know, all the stories, parables, conversations, letters, poems, etc. are written so God can reveal how He chooses some and denies others salvation >>> Reprobation.

It is only immaterial to you because salvation is not personal ... it is elitist/elect/caste system.
They were chosen for service. Each one believed or did not believe.

Again, nothing to do with the verses in question while misrepresenting other's positions. You guys seem unable or unwilling to work through a passage of scripture. Appreciate the discussion. Grace and peace.

 

[Magenta]

Again, nothing to do with the verses in question while misrepresenting other's positions. You guys seem unable or unwilling to work through a passage of scripture. Appreciate the discussion. Grace and peace.

They are, however, quite adept at contradicting themselves.

 

[HeIsHere]

Again, nothing to do with the verses in question while misrepresenting other's positions. You guys seem unable or unwilling to work through a passage of scripture. Appreciate the discussion. Grace and peace.

How about rather than asking questions as you always do, you actually exegete the scripture and show why it means what you think it means.

 

[Magenta]

Thanks. You get a participation trophy. Still you can't speak to what the Bible teaches without referring to nonbiblical terms. Didn't you chastise me for this? And you can't stay on topic or answer relevant questions. Someone has already proffered that Moses negotiated the covenant with God. Soon we'll have Moses in the burning bush summoning God. That Moses was something else.
The problem with trying to understand the Bible from man's viewpoint is...well...it's written from God's standpoint.

You simply do not understand the nuances of "No."

 

[sawdust]

Did God choose Israel?

No, He created Israel, He chose Abraham, Isaac and Jacob for that purpose.

Answer this. Did God choose Abraham, Isaac and Jacob to believe in Him or to make a nation?

 

[Cameron143]

How about rather than asking questions as you always do, you actually exegete the scripture and show why it means what you think it means.

I explained the passage. Not really much to explain. It's very straightforward. You just don't like the implications of it.

 

[Cameron143]

No, He created Israel, He chose Abraham, Isaac and Jacob for that purpose.

Answer this. Did God choose Abraham, Isaac and Jacob to believe in Him or to make a nation?

Read the passage. God says He chose Israel.

 

[Cameron143]

You simply do not understand the nuances of "No."

You can't say I don't understand. That's against the rules. I guess you have to say nuance and it magically becomes ok.

 

[Cameron143]

No, He created Israel, He chose Abraham, Isaac and Jacob for that purpose.

Answer this. Did God choose Abraham, Isaac and Jacob to believe in Him or to make a nation?

I do like the nuance though, and agree with it. God did create Israel. And God does recreate those He saves.

 

[HeIsHere]

I explained the passage. Not really much to explain. It's very straightforward. You just don't like the implications of it.

There is no implication of divine selection for individual salvation, it is an invitation and a promise for His people of His trustworthiness.

This verse can only be understood within the larger picture.

 

[Cameron143]

You simply do not understand the nuances of "No."

I wonder why the "don't understand" crowd didn't rush to my defense?

 

[Cameron143]

There is no implication of divine selection for individual salvation, it is an invitation and a promise for His people of His trustworthiness.

This verse can only be understood within the larger picture.

In other words...I don't understand the passage? I thought you didn't use unbiblical phrases? Can you show me selection from scripture?
The way God chooses has everything to do with election. I agree it is for His people.

 

[Magenta]

I wonder why the "don't understand" crowd didn't rush to my defense?

It is anathema for them to acknowledge that Father knows best. Are we still praying for HeIsHere to be swallowed by a fish?

 

[studier]

If I may be helpful:

Thank you. @Cameron143 is keeping me on a tight leash.

 

[Cameron143]

Thank you. @Cameron143 is keeping me on a tight leash.

You are the one with the leash. Only post in a certain manner, where you deem posts should go, and what form they should take. It's laughable that the one who conditions and restricts how he is to be addressed is the one on a leash.