The only way to attain eternal life

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"The only way to attain eternal life is by coming to and following the Lord Jesus Christ until the end.

  1. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
  2. And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

  1. Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
  2. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

  1. If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

  1. You study the Scriptures diligently, thinking you have eternal life in them, but 'these are the very Scriptures that testify about me,

  1. yet you refuse to come to me to have life
  2. Let's examine closely the flow of actions between the sheep and the Lord regarding salvation:


    27. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.


    28. And I give them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

    Read between the lines:

    1. When we hear the voice of the Lord Jesus, we are known by Him.

    2. When we follow the Lord Jesus, He gives us:

    a) eternal life,
    b) we shall never perish, and
    c) no one can pluck us out of His hand.

    There is no teaching of Jesus about 'free gift' or 'by grace, and the belief in the finished work of Christ to be saved, as you teach it today. Instead, those teachings are from Paul. Paul is not Jesus, even if you say he was sent by the Lord."
 
If Paul was sent by Jesus to speak his words then to deny Paul's teachings is to deny Christ
Paul was sent by Jesus, but he is long gone and there’s no way I can deny a dead person. His alleged teachings in the bible are not the living Paul then, nor are they the Christ. How then do you say now ‘to deny Paul's teachings is to deny Chris?”
 
Paul was sent by Jesus, but he is long gone and there’s no way I can deny a dead person. His alleged teachings in the bible are not the living Paul then, nor are they the Christ. How then do you say now ‘to deny Paul's teachings is to deny Chris?”

Paul's words are living because they are of Christ's spirit and therefore his words. So to deny Paul's writings is to deny Christ's words. Same with any other bible author.

He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me. Luke 10:16
 
Paul's words are living because they are of Christ's spirit and therefore his words. So to deny Paul's writings is to deny Christ's words. Same with any other bible author.
Who said Paul’s words are living because they are of Christ’s spirit and therefore his words? I’m sure it’s not the Lord Jesus who said that, is He? You’re making the alleged letter of Paul Jesus himself, that’s bibliolatry in the making, don’t you think so? What did the Lord Jesus teach to the apostles about this denial issue that you switch on to the bible instead of those who are sent by Jesus today?
 
Who said Paul’s words are living because they are of Christ’s spirit and therefore his words? I’m sure it’s not the Lord Jesus who said that, is He? You’re making the alleged letter of Paul Jesus himself, that’s bibliolatry in the making, don’t you think so?

Read the verse I quoted. Here it is again with a better translation. If you set aside Pauls' words you are setting aside Christ. Set Paul's words aside at your peril

The one hearing you, hears me; and the one setting you aside, sets me aside; and the one setting me aside, sets the one who sent me aside. Luke 10:16
G114 ἀθετέω atheteo (a-the-te'-ō) v.
1. to set aside.
2. (by implication) to disesteem, neutralize or violate.
 
Read the verse I quoted. Here it is again with a better translation. If you set aside Pauls' words you are setting aside Christ. Set Paul's words aside at your peril

The one hearing you, hears me; and the one setting you aside, sets me aside; and the one setting me aside, sets the one who sent me aside. Luke 10:16
G114 ἀθετέω atheteo (a-the-te'-ō) v.
1. to set aside.
2. (by implication) to disesteem, neutralize or violate.

Look at these verses:

17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

These are the subject persons of verse 16 that you posted, they were 70 living persons then sent by the Lord in every city and place where He would go. Verse 16 is only applicable to them in that moment. The alleged letters of Paul, which you consider living words, are just your opinion and they’re nothing but letters and ink in the pages of the bible.
 
"The only way to attain eternal life is by coming to and following the Lord Jesus Christ until the end.

  1. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
  2. And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

  1. Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
  2. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

  1. If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

  1. You study the Scriptures diligently, thinking you have eternal life in them, but 'these are the very Scriptures that testify about me,

  1. yet you refuse to come to me to have life
  2. Let's examine closely the flow of actions between the sheep and the Lord regarding salvation:


    27. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.


    28. And I give them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

    Read between the lines:

    1. When we hear the voice of the Lord Jesus, we are known by Him.

    2. When we follow the Lord Jesus, He gives us:

    a) eternal life,
    b) we shall never perish, and
    c) no one can pluck us out of His hand.

    There is no teaching of Jesus about 'free gift' or 'by grace, and the belief in the finished work of Christ to be saved, as you teach it today. Instead, those teachings are from Paul. Paul is not Jesus, even if you say he was sent by the Lord."

jesus said

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:16-17
 
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Paul was sent by Jesus, but he is long gone and there’s no way I can deny a dead person. His alleged teachings in the bible are not the living Paul then, nor are they the Christ. How then do you say now ‘to deny Paul's teachings is to deny Chris?”

to reject Paul’s writings is to reject a whole lot of revelation and wisdom and o sight into the things Jesus taught …..Paul taught all the same things , some just don’t read whole sections and quote single verses . Paul’s writings are wonderful and do nothing but support and witness the things Jesus taught to those who believed in him
 
"The only way to attain eternal life is by coming to and following the Lord Jesus Christ until the end.

  1. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
  2. And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

  1. Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
  2. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

  1. If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

  1. You study the Scriptures diligently, thinking you have eternal life in them, but 'these are the very Scriptures that testify about me,

  1. yet you refuse to come to me to have life
  2. Let's examine closely the flow of actions between the sheep and the Lord regarding salvation:


    27. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.


    28. And I give them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

    Read between the lines:

    1. When we hear the voice of the Lord Jesus, we are known by Him.

    2. When we follow the Lord Jesus, He gives us:

    a) eternal life,
    b) we shall never perish, and
    c) no one can pluck us out of His hand.

    There is no teaching of Jesus about 'free gift' or 'by grace, and the belief in the finished work of Christ to be saved, as you teach it today. Instead, those teachings are from Paul. Paul is not Jesus, even if you say he was sent by the Lord."
Luke 18
9 Also He spoke this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:
10 “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector.
11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, ‘God, I thank You that I am not like other men—extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector.
12 I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I possess.’
13 And the tax collector, standing afar off, would not so much as raise his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me a sinner!’
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted

God's plan of salvation for man. Always has been, always will be. Accepting the free gift of grace by repenting of sin and placing faith in Christ.

No fancy recipe, no bells or whistles. The Publican was justified by grace, not by any merit of his own. When he cried "be merciful ", based on what? That word merciful, is translated that way only one other time in the Bible.

Hebrews 2
17 Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.

1 John 1:9 - If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Luke 24
46 He told them, “This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day,
47 and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
48 You are witnesses of these things.

Humbling yourself (realizing you are a sinner) and asking for mercy (based on the shed blood of Christ) and repenting (changing your mind about sin, the way you are living, and asking Jesus into your heart ) is the only way to have eternal life.

Matthew 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand".
 
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jesus said

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:16-17
How will that verse save you? What must you do to be saved?
 
to reject Paul’s writings is to reject a whole lot of revelation and wisdom and o sight into the things Jesus taught …..

There is no truth in what you said but your opinion. Never did Jesus teach that notion to His disciples.



Paul taught all the same things , some just don’t read whole sections and quote single verses . Paul’s writings are wonderful and do nothing but support and witness the things Jesus taught to those who believed in him

No matter how wonderful his writings are in your perspective, they tantamount to nothing should they contradict the teaching of Jesus.
 
Luke 18
9 Also He spoke this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:
10 “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector.
11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, ‘God, I thank You that I am not like other men—extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector.
12 I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I possess.’
13 And the tax collector, standing afar off, would not so much as raise his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me a sinner!’
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted

God's plan of salvation for man. Always has been, always will be. Accepting the free gift of grace by repenting of sin and placing faith in Christ.

No fancy recipe, no bells or whistles. The Publican was justified by grace, not by any merit of his own. When he cried "be merciful ", based on what? That word merciful, is translated that way only one other time in the Bible.

Hebrews 2
17 Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.

1 John 1:9 - If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Luke 24
46 He told them, “This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day,
47 and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
48 You are witnesses of these things.

Humbling yourself (realizing you are a sinner) and asking for mercy (based on the shed blood of Christ) and repenting (changing your mind about sin, the way you are living, and asking Jesus into your heart ) is the only way to have eternal life.

Matthew 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand".
Grace of salvation, as you teach it, is not found in all the verses you posted. Are you contesting Jesus’ call to all for all to be saved, and He says,

COME, FOLLOW ME,

will you not be saved if you come to and follow Jesus until the end?
 
Grace of salvation, as you teach it, is not found in all the verses you posted. Are you contesting Jesus’ call to all for all to be saved, and He says,

COME, FOLLOW ME,

will you not be saved if you come to and follow Jesus until the end?
I don't teach grace, God's word does. Simply making a decision to "follow Jesus" doesn't save anyone. That would be a decision based on something the person does.

Why do you think Christ was crucified? For what purpose?

It's 2 am where I live. My sleep apnea has gotten the better of me again lol. I'll check on this tomorrow. God bless.
 
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I don't teach grace, God's word does. Simply making a decision to "follow Jesus" doesn't save anyone. That would be a decision based on something the person does.

Why do you think Christ was crucified? For what purpose?

It's 2 am where I live. My sleep apnea has gotten the better of me again lol. I'll check on this tomorrow. God bless.
I'll probably need to clarify "simply making a decision to follow Jesus has never saved anyone". Needs more explanation.
 
I don't teach grace, God's word does.

Where exactly in the words uttered by God and Jesus can we find Grace doctrine that you advocate in this forum? Bear in mind that Paul’s words are not Jesus.’

Simply making a decision to "follow Jesus" doesn't save anyone. That would be a decision based on something the person does.

Do you know how to follow Jesus until the end? Who said COME, FOLLOW ME, wasn’t He Jesus who said that?

Why do you think Christ was crucified? For what purpose?
To fulfill the burnt offering in the old testament so that the Testament of the True Church of the Lord takes into effect afterwards.

It's 2 am where I live. My sleep apnea has gotten the better of me again lol. I'll check on this tomorrow. God bless.
Sleep tight and walk with Jesus in your dreams!
 
"The only way to attain eternal life is by coming to and following the Lord Jesus Christ until the end.

  1. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
  2. And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

  1. Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
  2. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

  1. If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

  1. You study the Scriptures diligently, thinking you have eternal life in them, but 'these are the very Scriptures that testify about me,

  1. yet you refuse to come to me to have life
  2. Let's examine closely the flow of actions between the sheep and the Lord regarding salvation:


    27. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.


    28. And I give them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

    Read between the lines:

    1. When we hear the voice of the Lord Jesus, we are known by Him.

    2. When we follow the Lord Jesus, He gives us:

    a) eternal life,
    b) we shall never perish, and
    c) no one can pluck us out of His hand.

    There is no teaching of Jesus about 'free gift' or 'by grace, and the belief in the finished work of Christ to be saved, as you teach it today. Instead, those teachings are from Paul. Paul is not Jesus, even if you say he was sent by the Lord."


1st.
There is a Distinction between the gift of God and the Disciple.
Most of the Bible is written to born again believers in Jesus Christ. It instructs us on what God expects in society, worship, personal growth and obedience.
Most of it is not intended to save. If you want to be saved by the law, then keep it perfectly. See how long you do that.
An honest self appraisal will conclude to you that you are condemned.
The only solution is the only Savior. Change your mind from believing in your ability to be a perfect disciple to placing 100% of your faith in Jesus. There are many disciples, OT prophets and Jesus Himself that can be quoted under this first point. I have not had a good night sleep in a week. Not going to happen tonight. You'll get one or two witnesses from Scriptures when you read this post. That should motivate you to seek out the truth if you seek the truth.

2nd.
Jesus often ran into the Pharisees who wrongly taught that the purpose of the law was to impart eternal life through obedience.
Today this has been relabeled commonly as "repent of your sins." It's just another way of saying, obedience to the law saves.
Jesus recognized when Jews approached Him with this belief, so He often told them to do something that they were clearly violating. You pointed to the rich young ruler. Have YOU personal kept that one?

3rd.
Jesus had help with His ministry from John the Baptist.
His gospel message differed from his message for national Israel to prepare for their Messiah. His salvation message was to BELIEVE on Him Whom God had sent, that is on Christ Jesus.

4th.
You throw out over half the New Testament with the false claim about Paul. I think the disciples who acknowledged Paul in Acts and the epistles knew a little bit more about Paul tham your preacher in whom you decided to trust.

5th.
The ONE Book written to the lost specifically out of 66 books of the Bible is unique in:
A. Excluding the most oft misrepresented word in the Bible,
Repent.
B. Includes the Word BELIEVE exactly 100 times KJV only.
Did you know that?
Do you think the gift of God is worthy of reading the gospel of John and asking for understanding in regards to this topic?

31But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
John 20
 
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Where exactly in the words uttered by God and Jesus can we find Grace doctrine that you advocate in this forum? Bear in mind that Paul’s words are not Jesus.’



Do you know how to follow Jesus until the end? Who said COME, FOLLOW ME, wasn’t He Jesus who said that?


To fulfill the burnt offering in the old testament so that the Testament of the True Church of the Lord takes into effect afterwards.


Sleep tight and walk with Jesus in your dreams!
"To fulfill the burnt offering in the old testament so that the Testament of the True Church of the Lord takes into effect afterwards".

What is the Testament of the True Church of the Lord? I've never heard that term before. I'm trying to get a fix on where your theology comes from. I'm Southern Baptist.

And I not only walk with Jesus in my dreams, I'll walk with Him everyday.

Yes, still can't sleep.
 
"The only way to attain eternal life is by coming to and following the Lord Jesus Christ until the end.

  1. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
  2. And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
  3. Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
  4. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
  5. If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
  6. You study the Scriptures diligently, thinking you have eternal life in them, but 'these are the very Scriptures that testify about me,
  7. yet you refuse to come to me to have life Let's examine closely the flow of actions between the sheep and the Lord regarding salvation:


    27. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.


    28. And I give them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

    Read between the lines:

    1. When we hear the voice of the Lord Jesus, we are known by Him.

    2. When we follow the Lord Jesus, He gives us:

    a) eternal life,
    b) we shall never perish, and
    c) no one can pluck us out of His hand.

    There is no teaching of Jesus about 'free gift' or 'by grace, and the belief in the finished work of Christ to be saved, as you teach it today. Instead, those teachings are from Paul. Paul is not Jesus, even if you say he was sent by the Lord."

You should have quit while you were tolerable--before the last sentence.
The correct sentence would have read something like, "Thus, we need to harmonize the TOJ with the TOP.
FYI I will list statements of each regarding salvation:

GRFS per Jesus

Jesus indicated GRFS in various ways, some stated in terms of faith (F) and some in terms of works (W):

From Matthew
  1. Repent (4:17, F),
  2. Recognize one’s spiritual poverty (5:3, F)
  3. Be righteous (5:20, W)
  4. Love your enemies (5:44, W)
  5. Serve God (6:24&33, W)
  6. Enter the narrow gate (7:13, F)
  7. Do God’s will (7:21 & 12:50, F&W)
  8. Hear and act (7:24, F&W)
  9. Confess Jesus (10:32, W)
  10. Love Jesus (10:37, F)
  11. Give life to Jesus (10:39& 16:24-25, F)
  12. Have no doubt (11:6, F)
  13. Come to Jesus (11:28, F)
  14. Learn from Jesus (11:29, W)
  15. Be for Jesus (12:30, F)
  16. Understand (13:23, F)
  17. Be good (5:48 & 13:38,43,49, W)
  18. Value salvation (13:44-46, F)
  19. Believe Jesus (16:16& 21:32, F)
  20. Become humble (18:3-4 & 19:14, W)
  21. Forgive others (18:35, W)
  22. Give to the poor (19:21, W)
  23. Follow Jesus (19:21&29, F)
  24. Yield fruit (21:43, W)
  25. Dress appropriately (22:11-14, cf. RV 16:15, W)
  26. Love God, neighbor & self (22:37-40, W)
  27. Hold out until the end (24:13, F)
  28. Keep awake (24:42 & 25:13, F)
  29. Be ready (24:44, F&W)
  30. Be trustworthy and useful (25:21&30, F&W)
  31. Help Jesus’ brothers (25:34-40, W)
  32. Be righteous/do right (25:46, F&W)

From John

  1. Be born again (3:3&6, F)
  2. Come to the light (3:21, F)
  3. Obey the Son (8:51 & 14:15, W)
  4. Drink living water (4:14, F)
  5. Heed Jesus (5:24, W)
  6. Do right (5:29, W)
  7. Work for the food of life (6:27, W)
  8. Partake of the bread of life (6:33-35&51, F)
  9. Eat the flesh and drink the blood of X (6:54, F)
  10. Dwell within the truth (8:31&35, W)
  11. Hate self; serve Jesus (12:25-26, W)
  12. Accept Jesus’ words (12:47, F)
  13. Follow Jesus’ example (13:15-17, W)
  14. Dwell in Jesus and in love (15:5-10, F&W)
  15. Heed his command (15:10-12, F)
  16. Know God and Jesus Christ (17:3, F)
  17. Believe Jesus is Christ/Son (20:31, F)
GRFS per Peter and Paul

From Acts

59. Call on the name of the Lord (Acts 2:21)
60. Repent and be baptized (Acts 2:38, cf.3:19)
61. Believe in Jesus (Acts 10:43, cf. 13:39&48)
62. Believe in the Lord Jesus (Acts 16:31, cf. 18:8)
63. Repent and turn to God (Acts 26:20)

From Romans

64. Have faith (Rom. 1:17)
65. Persist in doing good (Rom. 2:7&10, cf.3:12)
66. Obey the law (Rom. 2:13, cf. 3:20)
67. Have faith in Jesus Christ (Rom. 3:22, 26&28&5:1)
68. Confess Jesus as resurrected Lord (Rom. 10:9)
69. Call on the name of the Lord (Rom. 10:13)

From 1 & 2 Corinthians

70. Believe (1Cor. 1:21)
71. Hold firmly to the gospel (1Cor. 15:2)
72. Repent (2Cor. 7:10)
73. Examine yourself (2Cor. 13:5)
74. Aim for perfection. (2Cor. 13:11)

From Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians and Colossians

75. Do not pervert the Gospel (Gal. 1:6-7)
76. Know that we are justified by faith in JC (Gal. 2:16)
77. Through faith be baptized into Christ and clothed with Christ (Gal. 3:27)
78. Stand firm in Christ’s freedom (Gal. 5:1)
79. Do not trust in circumcision (Gal. 5:2-3)
80. Do not try to be justified by law (Gal. 5:4)
81. Live by the Spirit (Gal. 5:16)
82. Sow to please the Spirit (Gal. 6:8)
83. Hope in Christ (Eph. 1:12)
84. Believe/have faith in the Lord Jesus (Eph. 1:13-15)
85. Be saved by grace through faith (Eph. 2:8)
86. Put off your old sinful self (Eph. 4:22)
87. Be imitators of God (Eph. 5:1)
88. Strive for moral perfection (Eph. 5:3-7)
89. Live as children of light (Eph. 5:8)
90. Be wise by doing the Lord’s will (Eph. 5:15-17)
91. Put on the full armor of God (Eph. 6:11-13)
92. Stand firm for the faith of the Gospel (Phil. 1:27)
93. Continue to cooperate with God’s good purpose (Phil. 2:12-13)
94. Stand firm in the Lord (Phil. 4:1)
95. Have faith in the Gospel of JC (Col. 1:4-6 & 23)
96. Receive CJ as Lord (Col. 2:6)
97. Stop sinning and start loving (Col. 3:5-14)