Christians you are jews inwardly

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Not bondage freedom.
Exodus 20:2
(2) I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
John 8:34-36
(34) Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
(35) And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
(36) If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
James 1:25
(25) But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
James 2:12
(12) So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.



The law of liberty excludes a seventh day sabbath observance.
 
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The Sabbath of the Bible

The Lord blessed the sabbath day and hallowed it." Exodus 20:11. "And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it." Genesis 2:3.

Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it." Exodus 20:8-11

"Blessed is the man ... that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it." "Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the Lord, ... every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer ... for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people." Isaiah 56:2, 6, 7
"For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord." Isaiah 66:22, 23.

"Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the Lord that sanctify them." Ezekiel 20:12. By keeping the sabbath you are saying that GOD is the God of creation.

"But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day." Matthew 24:20, You can only travel so far on the sabbath so you don't want to have to leave a city and brake the sabbath.

"Call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord." Isaiah 58:13. "For the son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day." Matthew 12:8. all the days name was just a number but the 7 day had a name sabbath.

when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath." "And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God." Acts 13:42, 44

And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures." Acts 17:2
And he [Paul] reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks." Acts 18:4.



And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read." Luke 4:16.

And when the sabbath was past, ...very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre." Mark 16:1, 2.

"Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane ... and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them." "Therefore have I poured out my indignation upon them." Ezekiel 22:26, 31. Don't keep mans sabbath but keep the LORDs
So the sabbath law was still being kept by the Hebrews up to when the temple was destroyed. So what?

It's observance still has nothing to do with Christians. We are not ancient Hebrews.
 
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The law of liberty excludes a seventh day sabbath observance.
The sabbath is a sign of sanctification.
Exodus 31:13
(13) Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.


The sabbath is a sign that we are free from bondage, that we are sanctified
 
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The sabbath is a sign of sanctification.
Exodus 31:13
(13) Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.


The sabbath is a sign that we are free from bondage, that we are sanctified
Totally agree.

Our eternal rest in Christ is the sign for Christians.
 

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So the sabbath law was still being kept by the Hebrews up to when the temple was destroyed. So what?

It's observance still has nothing to do with Christians. We are not ancient Hebrews.
It shows that Christians were keeping the Sabbath. It was the Christians that had been warned by Jesus to leave Jerusalem when it was surrounded by Armies. The people who did not believe in Jesus did not leave and many of them were killed.
 
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The O.T. system of Law required keeping the Sabbath as part of the overall moral, legal, and sacrificial system by which the Jewish people satisfied God’s requirements for behavior, government, and forgiveness of sins. The Sabbath was part of the Law in that sense. In order to "remain" in favor with God, you had to also keep the Sabbath. If it was not kept, then the person was in sin and would often be punished (Ezekiel 18:4; Rom. 6:23; Deut. 13:1-9; Num. 35:31; Lev. 20:2, etc.).


But with Jesus’ atonement, and justification by faith (Rom. 5:1), we no longer are required to keep the Sabbath as a requirement of the Old Covenant that God had with the nation of Israel. The Sabbath was only a shadow of things to come (Col. 2:16-17) and now we are under a New Covenant of grace (Rom. 6:14-15). The Sabbath is fulfilled in Jesus because in Him we have rest (Matt. 11:28).


When you insist that the Sabbath must be ritually as a requirement just like the nation of Israel was reqiured to do under the Old Covenant before the coming of Jesus Christ the messiah, you fall into legalism and error.


But the SDA takes their error far further. They teach that the Sabbath is the great dividing issue that will separate the true believers in God from those who are not true Christians and that Sabbath observance is the identifying mark of the remnant church (Rev. 12:17). They wrongly assert that at the end of time, every Christian will be tested upon whether or not they are willing to accept practicing the Sabbath ritual to earn God's favor.

The SDA church teaches that all genuine born-again Christians who do not accept the Sabbath ritual will receive the Mark of the Beast and go to Hell. Those who accept the Sabbath will receive the Seal of God and go to Heaven. According to Ellen White, the day a Christian chooses to worship upon is what marks the difference between those loyal to God and those disloyal.

What heresy the SDA church teaches.
 
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It shows that Christians were keeping the Sabbath. It was the Christians that had been warned by Jesus to leave Jerusalem when it was surrounded by Armies. The people who did not believe in Jesus did not leave and many of them were killed.
Hebrews were keeping the sabbath up to the destruction of the temple. That was the sign that all the old ways (and old covenant) had passed away. Fulfillment of Dan 9.

No where in the NT are we commanded to keep a 7th day sabbath.

Do you observe the punishments for breaking the sabbath too?
 
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I recommend listeniong th


I don't believe everything that the Seventh Day Adventists believe
 
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The big picture:

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIvZ0GnWj_4[/video]
 
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1 John2:4-6 The man who says, "I know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him.5 But if anyone obeys his word, God's love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: 6 Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did. Walling as Jesus did is keeping the commandments. Jesus said those who love me will keep my commandments John14:15. In Glalations we are told that the Law was our tutor to bring us to Jesus. Romans 7 I would not have know what sin was had it not been for the LAW. 1 John 3;4 everyone who sinsbreaks the LAW of GOD, sin is lawlessness.Romans 3 God sent Jesus to pay the price of sin for all who would believe and turn from sin. Romans 3 So then is the LAW void through faith. Certainly not on the contrary we establish ( obey ) the LAW. Romans 6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with [him], that the body of sin might be destroyed, that we should no longer serve sin. Romans 6 Do you not know that if you continually surrender yourselves to anyone to do his will, you are the slaves of him whom you obey, whether that be to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience which leads to righteousness (right doing and right standing with God) So after you have taken Jesus as your savior you are to "Go now and leave your life of sin. Both Jesus and the New testament list many LAWs we are to keep.
 

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If Jesus were to appear TODAY some would again call for His cruxification and call themselves "righteous"

Luke 13:14-16
New King James Version (NKJV)
14 But the ruler of the synagogue answered with indignation, because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath; and he said to the crowd, “There are six days on which men ought to work; therefore come and be healed on them, and not on the Sabbath day.”
15 The Lord then answered him and said, “Hypocrite![a] Does not each one of you on the Sabbath loose his ox or donkey from the stall, and lead it away to water it? 16 So ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan has bound—think of it—for eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the Sabbath?”

John 9:16
Therefore some of the Pharisees said, “This Man is not from God, because He does not keep the Sabbath.” Others said, “How can a man who is a sinner do such signs?” And there was a division among them.

 
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If Jesus were to appear TODAY some would again call for His cruxification and call themselves "righteous"

Luke 13:14-16
New King James Version (NKJV)
14 But the ruler of the synagogue answered with indignation, because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath; and he said to the crowd, “There are six days on which men ought to work; therefore come and be healed on them, and not on the Sabbath day.”
15 The Lord then answered him and said, “Hypocrite![a] Does not each one of you on the Sabbath loose his ox or donkey from the stall, and lead it away to water it? 16 So ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan has bound—think of it—for eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the Sabbath?”

John 9:16
Therefore some of the Pharisees said, “This Man is not from God, because He does not keep the Sabbath.” Others said, “How can a man who is a sinner do such signs?” And there was a division among them.

It is true that the Jews made the sabbath a burden with their many laws but Jesus taught the correct meaning of the sabbath it is meant to be a delight.
Isaiah 58:13-14
(13) If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
(14) Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.


The Jews of today are no different from then they won't even press a doorbell on sabbath because they say it is work, they only see the letter of the law but, not the spirit of the law.
 
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The big picture:

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIvZ0GnWj_4[/video]
If you are going to prove anything use the Bible this proves nothing and if you have questions there is a thread to ask SDA questions.
 
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mmm Paul fought and died so that gentiles would not enslaved to the law of Moses.

Acts 21
17 And when we had come to Jerusalem, the brethren received us gladly. 18 On the following day Paul went in with us to James, and all the elders were present. 19 When he had greeted them, he told in detail those things which God had done among the Gentiles through his ministry. 20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord. And they said to him, “You see, brother, how many myriads of Jews there are who have believed, and they are all zealous for the law; 21 but they have been informed about you that you teach all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children nor to walk according to the customs. 22 What then? The assembly must certainly meet, for they will[c] hear that you have come. 23 Therefore do what we tell you: We have four men who have taken a vow. 24 Take them and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads, and that all may know that those things of which they were informed concerning you are nothing, but that you yourself also walk orderly and keep the law. 25 But concerning the Gentiles who believe, we have written and decided that they should observe no such thing, except [d] that they should keep themselves from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality.”


you see that they say Paul taught them NOT to walk according to the customs of Moses and the ruling is that they do not need to observe such things EXCEPT: not eating food offered to idols, with blood, strangled or being sexually immoral.

why does everyone want to enslave others again to the LAW instead of teaching people how to walk according to the SPIRIT of GOD?

why don't people talk about how you should pray with a humble contrite heart? why don't people talk about visiting widows, caring for orphans?
Amen! We are free from the law, when Jesus died, he set us free and gave us his Spirit, we are only bound to Him.
I may also add
But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code. Romans 7:6

And all Romans , lol
 
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Wrong. Jesus said to flee for the reasons I already shared with you. The scripture, points out things that would be a hindrance to their escape: pregnant/nursing mothers, winter weather, and the Sabbath. Even the dialogue from Jesus says that is not as important as the Sabbath-keepers make it out to be. While worship to God is essential, it is never to a point where you have to risk your life for it. Clearly that is what Christ meant in his statement in Mark 2:27. Your position is fallicious, incorrect, and nothing more than one of the many ravings of SDA's primary false prophet.

I do know this is a double prophecy but if you want to put it at 70 AD it was still the Christians that were warned and when the antichrist comes to power it is still the Christians that are being warned.That shows the Sabbath is for to day.
 
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Amen! We are free from the law, when Jesus died, he set us free and gave us his Spirit, we are only bound to Him.
I may also add
But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code. Romans 7:6

And all Romans , lol
Are you saying that we are free from all the Law?
 
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Wrong. Jesus said to flee for the reasons I already shared with you. The scripture, points out things that would be a hindrance to their escape: pregnant/nursing mothers, winter weather, and the Sabbath. Even the dialogue from Jesus says that is not as important as the Sabbath-keepers make it out to be. While worship to God is essential, it is never to a point where you have to risk your life for it. Clearly that is what Christ meant in his statement in Mark 2:27. Your position is fallicious, incorrect, and nothing more than one of the many ravings of SDA's primary false prophet.
I just want to remind everyone in a friendly way to be as kind as possible because it is very easy for a friendly discussion to turn into a hate-filled debate