Christians you are jews inwardly

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Laodicea

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#41
Wrong. Jesus said to flee for the reasons I already shared with you. The scripture, points out things that would be a hindrance to their escape: pregnant/nursing mothers, winter weather, and the Sabbath. Even the dialogue from Jesus says that is not as important as the Sabbath-keepers make it out to be. While worship to God is essential, it is never to a point where you have to risk your life for it. Clearly that is what Christ meant in his statement in Mark 2:27. Your position is fallicious, incorrect, and nothing more than one of the many ravings of SDA's primary false prophet.
Don't you know that the sabbath will be kept in heaven?
Isaiah 66:23
(23) And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.


So what will you tell God in heaven as an excuse for not keeping the sabbath? Will you tell God that His Law has been done away with?

 
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kayem77

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#42
Are you saying that we are free from all the Law?
Im not saying it, God is in his Word.

So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh,[the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code. Romans 7


Now, this is clearly not sayin that we are free to sin, as the next chapter explains. The law is holy and just, and good. The law is perfect, and we're not. That's why Jesus died on the cross, because his sacrifice was the only good and pure sacrifice. He fulfilled the law, because we couldn't. We need to know that WE CANT FULFILL THE LAW, only Jesus can, that's why the law was made, to realize we can't fulfill it, hence, the need of a Saviour. That's why when we live in Spirit, we are fulfilling the law, and we rest in Jesus because OUR OWN efforts have ended.


Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you[a] free from the law of sin and death. Romans 8


Im not saying my own opinions here, I wouldn't dare to change the Word for my own benefit. I think the Bible is being very clear here. If you want to keep one part of the law, make sure you keep ALL the law then , not just one part ( which the bible tell us its impossible to do for us)
God bless you
 
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Laodicea

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#43
Im not saying it, God is in his Word.

So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh,[the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code. Romans 7


Now, this is clearly not sayin that we are free to sin, as the next chapter explains. The law is holy and just, and good. The law is perfect, and we're not. That's why Jesus died on the cross, because his sacrifice was the only good and pure sacrifice. He fulfilled the law, because we couldn't. We need to know that WE CANT FULFILL THE LAW, only Jesus can, that's why the law was made, to realize we can't fulfill it, hence, the need of a Saviour. That's why when we live in Spirit, we are fulfilling the law, and we rest in Jesus because OUR OWN efforts have ended.

Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you[a] free from the law of sin and death. Romans 8


Im not saying my own opinions here, I wouldn't dare to change the Word for my own benefit. I think the Bible is being very clear here. If you want to keep one part of the law, make sure you keep ALL the law then , not just one part ( which the bible tell us its impossible to do for us)
God bless you
So why don't you give me a list of what law we are free from? Can we now have other god's? Worship idols? be disrespectful to parents? commit adultery? Please explain in detail what you mean and what laws don't we have to keep
 
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AnandaHya

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#44
Don't you know that the sabbath will be kept in heaven?
Isaiah 66:23
(23) And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.


So what will you tell God in heaven as an excuse for not keeping the sabbath? Will you tell God that His Law has been done away with?

Heaven IS the Sabbath, it is God's REST, His FINISHED work. the seventh day.

Do you worship form and pomp and whitewashed walls of ceremony and laws of MEN or do you worship GOD in SPIRIT and TRUTH?

rethink the MEANING of those scriptures in the light that there is NO MOON in Heaven. the OT is shadows and types that are revealed through and by Christ.

Revelation 21:23
The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it, for the glory of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light.
 
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Laodicea

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#45
Heaven IS the Sabbath, it is God's REST, His FINISHED work. the seventh day.

Do you worship form and pomp and whitewashed walls of ceremony and laws of MEN or do you worship GOD in SPIRIT and TRUTH?

rethink the MEANING of those scriptures in the light that there is NO MOON in Heaven. the OT is shadows and types that are revealed through and by Christ.

Revelation 21:23
The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it, for the glory of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light.

Notice that it says there will be no need of the light of the sun and moon it does not say there will be no sun and moon. So you agree with the other 9 commandments but not the 4th?
 
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kayem77

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#46
So why don't you give me a list of what law we are free from? Can we now have other god's? Worship idols? be disrespectful to parents? commit adultery? Please explain in detail what you mean and what laws don't we have to keep
Can we keep a respectful tone? :)
I think you know very well that i wasn't implying any of those things, and I'm talking of the only law God gave us ( Ten Commandments) , I didn't mention other idols or gods. Did you even read the verses? I didn't say we are free form the law , the Bible did. An as I said it says later on the next chapter, that doesn't mean we are free to sin.

What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. Romans 7:7

I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. 11 For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death. 12 So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good. Romans 7


If we put purselves under the law again , we will die. That's why we live in Spirit, the only way we can fulfill the law, NOT ABOLISH.

For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God. 15 The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship. Romans 8
 
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AnandaHya

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#47
Notice that it says there will be no need of the light of the sun and moon it does not say there will be no sun and moon. So you agree with the other 9 commandments but not the 4th?
i agree with all the commandments I just do not agree with men's twisting and reading of it so that is is but an empty shell and lacking in SPIRIT or truth in their misguided attempt to place the yoke of bondage upon others.

Matthew 5-7 Jesus reveals the SPIRIT of the 10 commandments and it is not just Actions and external things that need to be examine but the internal thoughts and strongholds that must be torn down and made captive.

Matthew 6
31 “Therefore do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For after all these things the Gentiles seek. For your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things. 33 But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you. 34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.


cures envy and coveting your neighbors goods. if you fallow JESUS words you will walk according to the LAW of SPIRIT and not of sin and death.

it is simple to not covet you don't worry about material things and trust God. that is the SPIRIT and TRUTH concerning that commandment.
 
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Laodicea

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#48
Heaven IS the Sabbath, it is God's REST, His FINISHED work. the seventh day.
It does not say that it says from one sabbath to another meaning we will keep the sabbath in heaven.

Do you worship form and pomp and whitewashed walls of ceremony and laws of MEN or do you worship GOD in SPIRIT and TRUTH?
Sunday is the Laws of men because there is no scriptural authority for it. The sabbath is the Law of God the sabbath is a delight not a burden. It would be a burden for you cause you do not want it
 
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Laodicea

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#49
i agree with all the commandments I just do not agree with men's twisting and reading of it so that is is but an empty shell and lacking in SPIRIT or truth in their misguided attempt to place the yoke of bondage upon others.

Matthew 5-7 Jesus reveals the SPIRIT of the 10 commandments and it is not just Actions and external things that need to be examine but the internal thoughts and strongholds that must be torn down and made captive.

Matthew 6
31 “Therefore do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For after all these things the Gentiles seek. For your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things. 33 But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you. 34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.


cures envy and coveting your neighbors goods. if you fallow JESUS words you will walk according to the LAW of SPIRIT and not of sin and death.

it is simple to not covet you don't worry about material things and trust God. that is the SPIRIT and TRUTH concerning that commandment.

I agree with the spirit of the law that is how it should be kept the Pharisees only kept the law in an outward display but inwardly they were not changed the gospel is to work from the inside out not just the outward
 
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Laodicea

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#50


If we put purselves under the law again , we will die. That's why we live in Spirit, the only way we can fulfill the law, NOT ABOLISH.

That means we are not under the condemnation of the law it does not say not to keep the sabbath. I do not keep the sabbath for salvation for we are saved by grace through faith but, I keep the sabbath because I love God.
 
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AnandaHya

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#51
Mark 2:27
And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.

Colossians 2:15-17
New King James Version (NKJV)
15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.
16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.


what did the Sabbath celebrate?
 
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Laodicea

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#52
Mark 2:27
And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.

Colossians 2:15-17
New King James Version (NKJV)
15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.
16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.


what did the Sabbath celebrate?
The sabbath was made for the benefit of man not as a burden the sabbath is a sign of creation and redemption and sanctification
Exodus 31:13
(13) Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

Exodus 31:17
(17) It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
Deuteronomy 5:15
(15) And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.

 

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#53
Jews always wanted to kill Jesus and his prophets.So they have persecuted and killed Christians throughout the centuries.Thats their talmudic obligation.

John 5:15-18
The man departed, and told the Jews that it was Jesus, which had made him whole.
And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.
But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

Matthew 21:33-46
Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country:
And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it.
And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.
Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.
But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.
But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.

And they caught him, and cast [him] out of the vineyard, and slew [him].
When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?
They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out [his] vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.
Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.
But when they sought to lay hands on him, they feared the multitude, because they took him for a prophet.

1. Thess 2:14-16
For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they [have] of the Jews:
Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.

Matthew 23:32-35
Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
[Ye] serpents, [ye] generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and [some] of them ye shall kill and crucify; and [some] of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute [them] from city to city:
That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.


Fleshly jews are not the seed of Abraham! Its Jesus Christ alone!

Galatians 3:16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Galatatians 3:28-29

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female:
for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.



Jews are worshiping the Satan.

Acts 7:42-43
Then God turned, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices [by the space of] forty years in the wilderness?
Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of *Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.


John 8:44
Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.


According to this its no wonder that they reject the word of God which is Jesus Christ.
Neither do they accept the New Testament,but moreover they are worshiping babylonian deities.
Therefore they adopt the babylonian talmud,the satanic kabbalah and zohar in their false torah which
is the foundation of gnosis,esoteric and theosophy which is in fact occult sorcery, black magic aka worshiping the devil.

So why all this mayhem? Why are they wailing on the western wall which is from herod the edomite king who killed all
baby boys as he heard that Jesus is on its way down to earth? It was satan who knew that his kingdom
will not last much longer.Are the jews in fact edom?



*Molech
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Moloch, the ancient pagan God of child sacrifice. | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry
 
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LovingtheLord

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#54
AgeofKnowledge you says that is the true reason, i read it and came to the conclusion that it was'nt the reason stated on that website.

According to the website you gave as proof

"A. The reason Jesus said to pray that the city would not be destroyed beginning on a Sabbath day is obvious to anyone but Sabbatarians!
  1. Jerusalem was a Jewish dominated town which kept 100% of the law of Moses up to 70AD.
  2. The Gates of the city would be closed on the Sabbath: Neh 13:15-22
  3. This would hinder the Lord's instructions to the Christians to GET OUT OF THE CITY before the Roman armies destroyed the city as Jesus said in Luke 21:20"

19And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Can you see the following verse how it on that website it's misinterpreted?

According to verse 19-21 It talks about the end times when the tribulation is great "as was not since the beginning of the world to this time"

there is more points which i'll probably add showing the difference of what that website says and what the bible says-
 

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#55
Wrong. Jesus said to flee for the reasons I already shared with you. The scripture, points out things that would be a hindrance to their escape: pregnant/nursing mothers, winter weather, and the Sabbath. Even the dialogue from Jesus says that is not as important as the Sabbath-keepers make it out to be. While worship to God is essential, it is never to a point where you have to risk your life for it. Clearly that is what Christ meant in his statement in Mark 2:27. Your position is fallicious, incorrect, and nothing more than one of the many ravings of SDA's primary false prophet.
The only people who will do what Jesus said will be the ones that believe him. So they are Christians who are to pray that their need to escape does not fall on the Sabbath if you are not a Christian they would not hear the warning.
 
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#56
If you are going to prove anything use the Bible this proves nothing and if you have questions there is a thread to ask SDA questions.
Did you watch the video series? All 8 parts?
 
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#57
That means we are not under the condemnation of the law it does not say not to keep the sabbath. I do not keep the sabbath for salvation for we are saved by grace through faith but, I keep the sabbath because I love God.
Chrisatians dont need to obseve any OT ceremonial ordinances.

If you DO then you need to observe the ceremonial PUNISHMENT ordinances too.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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#58
Because you quoted my post in your statement, I am going to remind you to practice what you preach. Your reply is a sneaky way of doing exactly what you taught against and that's hypocrisy. If you want your message to mean anything, then find a way to do communicate your message without engaging in the very behavior you claim to be against.

I just want to remind everyone in a friendly way to be as kind as possible because it is very easy for a friendly discussion to turn into a hate-filled debate
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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#59
I believe in Jesus and you're NOT doing what Jesus said to do. You're doing what your false prophet Ellen White tells you to do. You're following a false prophet that misinterpreted His words and projected them in a damning way upon born-again genuine Christians and Jesus certainly is against that. Christians are not going to hell because they don't practice the Old Covenant Sabbath ritual now or in the future.

Jesus said to pray that your escape doesn't fall on the Sabbath (when the Roman Army comes to destroy Jerusalem which happened in the first century) because they close the gates on the Sabbath and you can't flee. That's what he was communicating. You've been deceived.

The only people who will do what Jesus said will be the ones that believe him. So they are Christians who are to pray that their need to escape does not fall on the Sabbath if you are not a Christian they would not hear the warning.
 
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#60
You are not worshipping in truth if you legalise a 7th day sabbath for Christians, you are in bondage to the law.
So to believe God and His word and to actually obey Him is ''NOT'' worshiping in truth? I think you have it backwards, but then again you are backwards on everything pertaining to God and His truth.