Healing from God

[pinebeach]

I have been waanting my eyes healed for a long time now ever since 2016 when my eyes started to go bad people have prayed for me I have prayed and still no healing I have tried the wof thing but still no healing I have asked God why over and over again.

The thing is before my eyes went bad I said to him I don't need these eyes to see because I want to see with yours I told him I would give up these eyes if I could just see with your eyes well two years later my eyes got infected and started going blind in fact I almost went completely blind.

to this day I sometimes wonder if healing is even real not just because of my eyes but because I have not seen any healing done for anyone. But for me personally I believe I cannot receive it because there is a lesson to be learned in it and until that lesson is learned I don't think I can ever have my sight again

Or perhaps I got exactly what I asked for the question is did I actually receieve the eyes I wanted?

That does sound very painful Blain but I do think healing is real but I have seen some healing but sadly even someone die because they would not receive the help they needed because they thought it would be a sin to do anything towards their own health rather than just do nothing and expect God to heal them. So they died, in a bed, in a hospital with their husband probably wishing they would have been proactive instead of lying there like a jellyfish. People look at that and then look at those who say if you are not healed it is your fault. I don't believe that.

I cannot answer your question regarding your eyes Blain, but I will say you could have both without meaning to hurt you.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

I'm not even really hurt but I am kind of bewildered about it all. God reveals the heart, both our own and of others if we are just honest before Him about all of it. I ask alot of questions and always have so just trying to ask others here because it does give more to think about. Thanks

So let me guess. You, seeking the truth with an honest heart, asked questions to someone , who became threatened by your stepping outside of the box (ie, acceptable religious norms) and pronounced condemnation on you? If yes, then welcome to the club. It can be very, very painful , lonely and disorienting, and frankly makes me want to not even be on this planet.

 

[pinebeach]

So, sorry for your loss
I have experienced much loss myself. And I know not easy to get through any loss.
My first loss, my youngest sister, she was 18 died on and overdose in san Francisco, Ca. Hade Ashbury in 1971.
Floored, devastated, I have learned much since. I do not understand why she died or if even had to die. I was 14 years old when she died.
This I stood with, and could not deny God, even though upset deeply over it. I have conjectured much since and settled much from it, and stand in trust to God over it all still, like a Job person. I simply will not deny God. Still do not understand why, she had to die, at an early young age, even if she had to. Free choices make the best or worse of us all.
Since the first death, my Dad, three years later, then my Eldest brother. Then my Mother.
How, to deal for me has been to not give up on God loves us all.
A book called the Shack I read, now a movie has really helped me deal
Hope it somehow gets to you to read or watch, I find many Gold Nuggets for peace in the midst of adversities
I search for anything good out of anything bad that happens or has

Yes, the choices we make do lay the foundation and roads of our lives. I haven' lost someone though; I'm actually just trying to find my way about all this healing 'stuff'. I am aware of the book you mention but again, although certainly people have died in my life, I am really just trying to find or understand what the Bible says about healing. Thank you for answering and I appreciate what you have relayed. Yes, we are loved by God and all times should remember and believe that.

 

[pinebeach]

I was not well when I was first saved. I had a chronic ailment due to years of alcohol abuse - I was not quite 21. A few weeks after I was saved, I met some people who were from Teen Challenge, who had just started up in Australia. When I could, I attended some of their meetings. At one meeting, the pastor who led the ministry had a word of knowledge. It was obvious that it was for me. He described the symptoms exactly. He prayed for me and I was healed instantly.

That night, another chronic health issue surfaced. I was still buzzing from the first healing so I prayed for myself. The condition lifted and has never returned. This was over 50 years ago.

I have been sick and recovered naturally, sick with the intervention of the medical profession and sick and been healed immediately. I've looked into why this should be so and this is how I see it.

The first thing to know is that God does not make us sick. Sickness and sin are intertwined (Psalm 103:3).
Healing is not automatic. Both Trophimus and Epaphroditus were ill. Could Paul not have prayed healing for them both? Yes, but he did not.
Sickness can be used to keep us from pride (2 Corinthians 12:7)
Sickness may be a consequence of sin. Be very slow to judge people who are not well. I said "maybe", not "is". (1 Corinthians 11:30)
Sickness can be a result of overwork, as with Epaphras (Philippians 2:25-30). Some believe that Epaphras and Epaphroditus are the same person.

The problem with many Christians is that they are too strong in themselves. God allows sickness to show us that we are not as good as we think we are.

We need to remember that God works all things together for our good. That includes sickness. We should not seek to be ill or pretend to be well when we are not. Sickness can be a cop out for people who are trying to avoid responsibility or a situation they don't want to be in. God's will is that we be in health. Jesus healed all who came to Him. But there may be a season of illness that God can use to bless us.

Thanks for your reply. It kinda balances out the way I am thinking. As you say, God does not make us sick and we do live in a fallen world. You were healed of conditions you created yourself and God is merciful and saw that. See, I also look at cases in scripture where people were not apparently healed; for example Paul told Timothy to take some wine for his stomach ailment. So, why didn't he just tell him to claim healing or some such? Or tell him to have the elders pray for him? Or walk around saying he was healed when he was still in pain? And if you ask about that or about the people you mention above, you get some beat around the bush response that just, in my understanding, actually answer the hard questions.

Thanks again.

 

[pinebeach]

I believe all who believe in God will also believe that God can heal any medical affliction..
So while i do believe it is essential to have faith in Gods ability to heal us i do not believe having faith in Gods ability to heal us insures that a Christian will recieve healing after asking God for it..
I believe a healing depends on Gods will, if it is a part of His will for your to recieve a healing then you will be healed..

I agree with what you are saying here. That's pretty much what I have thought in the past and I think still do but do not feel quite settled about it. Quite a few will state it is ALWAYS God will to heal you.

 

[wattie]

It is with genuine trepidation that I am starting this thread. I recently lost someone I cared about while trying to discuss this very thing. I honestly do not know what exactly to believe at this point and I am not, repeat, not asking to be told what to believe. I do not find in the Bible where everyonel is guaranteed healing and I do not see where God has some kind of quota on how much faith it takes to be healed. Obviosuly then, I am not in agreement with the WOF people. I don't care to be told that it is my fault if I am not healed (ps I am not waiting for a miracle of healing the convo I had involved someone that really needed healing) I have experienced a good number of what I guess I will call 'God interventions' and I certainly have the faith to ask God anything and we are encouraged to pour out our hearts to Him...love that verse in the Psalms

I cannot control this thread or demand people do not get all hot and bothered by what someone else says but for the love of God (literally I am not swearing), please try to be the person you demand others to be. I sure hope sincere and intelligent input might be achieved and of course scripture but also opinions and experience, understanding that experience is not proof of anything. It certainly is to the one who experiences it, but we cannot offer that as proof to those who have not.

Okay, so let's take the plunge if you are willing, hoping a few might be. I do have some things to say if the thread develops, so I pray that you can help me resolve some of what I currently am thinking about and even feeling. Thanks

One more thing though, I really dislike trite answers and people talking down to others so if that is your thing, I doubt I will respond but I am sure you will offend someone else enough to do it for me Oh and videos mocking others or 'exposing' faith healers are also just plain dumb as I can view those myself any ole good time I want. I've probably not seen it all, but I have seen enough.

Going to the Bible itself, what is the record of who gets physically healed?

Did the healed problem come back to the person healed?

Was it full healing or partial?

Who did the healing?

Was it rare or something that is commonplace?

Now..if you get these answered.. is what you find in the bible ..what you see these days?

 

[pinebeach]

I have personally taken part in the healing of two people in person that i know of.. One that i prayed for was healed while i was praying for them and the other person was healed the moment i laid hands upon them.. I have prayed for my own healing on a number of occasions and i have experienced no healing I still have chronic diabetes and it seems i will have it to the day i die.. So be it. His will be done.. I accept the will of God.. We can ask for anything and we should accept His will no matter what..

Oh and WOF.. I have never been a WOF believer.. Prayer is a request to God, it is not some kind of Order that God must carry out..

Oh Edit.. A third instance of healing has just come to my mind that i took part in.. A little girl who was in pain.. I remember the look of shock in her eyes when she was healed.. She looked at a cup of water i had got for her and exclaimed It's the water.. ,, It was so cute you just had to be there..

Whoops...left this part out so getting to it now.

The Bible does list 'gifts of healing' in I Cor. 12:9-10 and I haven't seen that mentionned here yet? Perhaps God extended that through His Spirit when you prayed for others? I knew someone who seemed to have that gift and people would be healed when she prayed for them often enough. Very sorry about the diabetes.

WOF is woffy about everything it seems. No money? Demand it. No car. Demand one. and so on. I don't think that is what God requires regarding faith and I agree prayer is not an order that God is required to fulfill. I don't know where people get that in scripture.

A third instance of healing has just come to my mind that i took part in.. A little girl who was in pain.. I remember the look of shock in her eyes when she was healed.. She looked at a cup of water i had got for her and exclaimed It's the water.. ,, It was so cute you just had to be there

LOL! sounds wonderful

 

[pinebeach]

So let me guess. You, seeking the truth with an honest heart, asked questions to someone , who became threatened by your stepping outside of the box (ie, acceptable religious norms) and pronounced condemnation on you? If yes, then welcome to the club. It can be very, very painful , lonely and disorienting, and frankly makes me want to not even be on this planet.

Apparently I am very threatening Yeah I have had those reactions but enough so that I either had to think God did not like me or perhaps I was, as you say, threatening their nice tidy little concepts that comforted them whenever something serious came up.

Actually, I think that if we are honest, the entire Bible is disturbing to 'concepts'.

 

[pinebeach]

Going to the Bible itself, what is the record of who gets physically healed?

Did the healed problem come back to the person healed?

Was it full healing or partial?

Who did the healing?

Was it rare or something that is commonplace?

Now..if you get these answered.. is what you find in the bible ..what you see these days?

Well the entire thing is about going to the Bible while experience does play into as well I think. Some of that has been covered in this thread already if you want to look at that. As for who did the healing, it would always be God and not the person. Bible says Jesus healed all who came to Him but we also read that one of the gifts given to believers through His Spirit is healing and we are also exhorted to have the elders pray for those who are sick.

If have seen many things in 'these days' and I am not a cessationist so 'these days' is not going to do it for me. Fine if you do not agree there; it not my job to convince anyone otherwise. We all have to decide how we are going to approach the Bible. I don't know if you are a cessationist or not, but your response kinda seems to lean that way, but if I have that wrong please correct me.

I am interested in what you mean by 'partial heeling' though if you want to explain.

 

[homwardbound]

Praying for healing is tough, he may say yes, no, or not right now. All you can do is continue to pray... I pray for healing everday for my myriad of issues.. pray the persistent widow.

The mysterious ways of Dad, never understood by flesh nature, only in Spirit and Truth, Father and Son's fro us to be in love too to all, not a few, whether or not Gert what one, anyone asks for
Think on this wise, "Father knows best"

 

[wattie]

Well the entire thing is about going to the Bible while experience does play into as well I think. Some of that has been covered in this thread already if you want to look at that. As for who did the healing, it would always be God and not the person. Bible says Jesus healed all who came to Him but we also read that one of the gifts given to believers through His Spirit is healing and we are also exhorted to have the elders pray for those who are sick.

If have seen many things in 'these days' and I am not a cessationist so 'these days' is not going to do it for me. Fine if you do not agree there; it not my job to convince anyone otherwise. We all have to decide how we are going to approach the Bible. I don't know if you are a cessationist or not, but your response kinda seems to lean that way, but if I have that wrong please correct me.

I am interested in what you mean by 'partial heeling' though if you want to explain.

Well..people say they have been healed by God...but it wasn't full healing. Some part that is the same ailment is still there..but they are claiming a healing or miracle.

The Bible example is 100 percent healing of something. Any pain that happens to the body there later would be a new problem.

I am a cessationist..but I do believe God can still of course work His power. It would just be a rare thing..given that is part of the definition of a miracle.

 

[PaulThomson]

It is with genuine trepidation that I am starting this thread. I recently lost someone I cared about while trying to discuss this very thing. I honestly do not know what exactly to believe at this point and I am not, repeat, not asking to be told what to believe. I do not find in the Bible where everyonel is guaranteed healing and I do not see where God has some kind of quota on how much faith it takes to be healed. Obviosuly then, I am not in agreement with the WOF people. I don't care to be told that it is my fault if I am not healed (ps I am not waiting for a miracle of healing the convo I had involved someone that really needed healing) I have experienced a good number of what I guess I will call 'God interventions' and I certainly have the faith to ask God anything and we are encouraged to pour out our hearts to Him...love that verse in the Psalms

I cannot control this thread or demand people do not get all hot and bothered by what someone else says but for the love of God (literally I am not swearing), please try to be the person you demand others to be. I sure hope sincere and intelligent input might be achieved and of course scripture but also opinions and experience, understanding that experience is not proof of anything. It certainly is to the one who experiences it, but we cannot offer that as proof to those who have not.

Okay, so let's take the plunge if you are willing, hoping a few might be. I do have some things to say if the thread develops, so I pray that you can help me resolve some of what I currently am thinking about and even feeling. Thanks

One more thing though, I really dislike trite answers and people talking down to others so if that is your thing, I doubt I will respond but I am sure you will offend someone else enough to do it for me Oh and videos mocking others or 'exposing' faith healers are also just plain dumb as I can view those myself any ole good time I want. I've probably not seen it all, but I have seen enough.

There are a few observations I would make regarding this thread.

Firstly, that God does not want to heal all the sick because I observe that not many of the sick are healed, or that I have not been healed, is an example of an inference fallacy, an invalid inference to draw from the data. https://buildingcriticalthinking.com/inferences/bad-inferences-fallacies-and-biases/
A person may want/will something to be fixed, but choose to educate and equip someone else to do the fixing - to train them to become a proficient fixer through practical experience - rather than to always do all the fixing for the other person. If the delegated fixer misunderstands or distrusts the trainer's teaching, or chooses not to follow the trainer's instructions, then a healing the trainer wants/wills to happen will not to happen. We cannot logically infer from a lack of fixing that the trainer wants the object to remain unfixed.

Secondly, Jesus said that faith as grain of mustard seed is enough to remove a mountain or a sycamine tree and cast it into the sea. So, the quota for faith Jesus set was minute. However, we also see that, even though a miracle requires faith only as a grain of mustard seed, if that faith is counteracted with unbelief/doubt, then the miracle can be prevented.

Mat 17:19
Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out?
Mat 17:20
And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.

The disciples clerly had faith, because they tried to cast out the demon as they had done so many times before. But when they saw the storm the demon whipped up in the boy, unbelief rose up and prevented the miracle.

Luk 17:5
And the apostles said unto the Lord, Increase our faith.
Luk 17:6
And the Lord said, If ye had faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye might say unto this sycamine tree, Be thou plucked up by the root, and be thou planted in the sea; and it should obey you.

Mat 21:21
Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done.

Mar 11:23
For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.

Our culture has marinated us in so many beliefs that are antithetical to God's truth, that when we try to believe God's word our faith is almost always mixed with doubt, making the faith unfruitful. So, wE need to get rid of all notions that conflict with God's word and engender doubt that will oppose our faith. But that is something we must do, as Jesus instructs us to do, in order for us to see the results of an overcoming mustard seed of faith. Few Christians are willing to be that odd-ball in their beliefs and to suffer the ignominy that would come from friends and family for not embracing the medical beliefs that have been declared "settled science".

 

[homwardbound]

Yes, the choices we make do lay the foundation and roads of our lives. I haven' lost someone though; I'm actually just trying to find my way about all this healing 'stuff'. I am aware of the book you mention but again, although certainly people have died in my life, I am really just trying to find or understand what the Bible says about healing. Thank you for answering and I appreciate what you have relayed. Yes, we are loved by God and all times should remember and believe that.

About healing from God. God loves us all as you know this, even though a lot of troubles happen while here on earth
Which began at the first Adam, in unbelief he would die, after seeing Even not die, when he saw her eat from the particular tree
he was there with her, when she ate from it per Genesis 1-3
However, by this one choice made, death came to all first born flesh. that does not or has not changed
Even those healed in the day of Jesus, died to the flesh also, even though healed.
God Father's solution is to give life to our Soul's.
God sees everyone born first in flesh and blood as worthy of Love. That passed onto them each from the first Adam
The second Adam, Jesus, Yashuah, has to be here on earth as perfect frist to fulfill fill Law and prophets. He did that, then willingly died to it, to heal us each that choose to believe God over works of people to be good enough
I am disabled to the flesh nature, alive to God own God's Spirit and truth, by God for me and for you and all others too
Believe God, receive frown God and be new in God's love and mercy for us all. No more condemnation Romans 8:1-3
This might help you in your journey, I am trusting God between God and you to learn from all things good or bad and see being healed is in risen Son for life everlasting t your soul, not your flesh thank you

 

[pinebeach]

Believe God, receive frown God and be new in God's love and mercy for us all. No more condemnation Romans 8:1-3
This might help you in your journey, I am trusting God between God and you to learn from all things good or bad and see being healed is in risen Son for life everlasting t your soul, not your flesh thank you

Hi again. Thank you; I appreciate your words to me. In question in this thread was what scripture actually says about physical healing. People are not agreed on it. (as can be seen reading the responses or doing a search or even people we know) I believe God is concerned with our physical health as well and just how we are in general.

Beloved, I pray you to prosper concerning all things and to be in good health, just as your soul prospers. III John 1:2 I think we have a responsibility to take care of ourselves but at the same time we live in a fallen world and physical death is coded into our dna. When we receive Christ we receive new life, in the spirit as our spirits are reunited with God who is Spirit. John, indicates or seems to indicate that prosper (and I am not meaning what is referred to as the 'properity gospel' because if there is one thing humans seem quite capable of, is taking a good thing and then taking it to places it was never meant to go. ie: God does not garantee we should all be rich etc) is connected to our souls and prospers in our new life in Christ (if I understand that right) Still, all things is all things but that does not identify God as Santa. It doesn't mean we are going to have some kind of perfect life on this earth with no worries; in fact, quite the opposite is often enough the norm for Chrisitans as press against the current world systems in place. Well now I am getting complicated a bit. That particular verse is referred to as being part of the biblical 'proof' that God wants to heal everyone by some circles.

 

[Brasspen]

I have gotten healed by the pastor this one time. She prayed and layed hands on me and I could feel it heal. It was amazing miracle that happen.

All things work for the good for those who fear God. Also, all things work for the good for those who love God.

All things work for our good, even if we might die is what I believe. Some way, some how God uses it for blessings. Sometimes we can be saved from something because of a bad thing, something we thought was a curse. We are blessed and cursed not.

And declare that in your life. "I am blessed and cursed not." "All things work for my good." And they do, even death.

 

[pinebeach]

Well..people say they have been healed by God...but it wasn't full healing. Some part that is the same ailment is still there..but they are claiming a healing or miracle.

The Bible example is 100 percent healing of something. Any pain that happens to the body there later would be a new problem.

I am a cessationist..but I do believe God can still of course work His power. It would just be a rare thing..given that is part of the definition of a miracle.

Well who are the 'people'? I don't find I can use that kind of example as part of my searching for what the Bible in particular has to say about healing. We really don't have histories on the people healed in the Bible and every one of them died so healing is physical, but I think that the 'healing' described in Isaiah 53 (by His stripes we are healed) certainly applies to much more than physical even though those who insist all should or can be healed, use that verse as part of the proof of what they believe.

If you believe that God can have the 'final say' in circumstances, then perhaps your cessationist mindset applies to the spiritual gifts?
There are Christians who do not believe that God does anything anymore in this world and we are left to follow only the Bible and really we should not expect anything 'personal' from God anymore. That, of course, flies against both Testaments and testimony in the NT. You might be surprise at just how 'common' the Holy Spirit activity in this world is. He is the One who gives us understanding according to the word through which we are to renew our minds. I think one reason there is so much disagreement in hermeneutics and people become so angry when their conclusions are questioned, is that they are dependng on their own flesh which is easily insulted because of pride and what have you. That, is not how actual understanfing is achieved. I could say alot more about it but that is not the topic of this thread

 

[pinebeach]

There are a few observations I would make regarding this thread.

Firstly, that God does not want to heal all the sick because I observe that not many of the sick are healed, or that I have not been healed, is an example of an inference fallacy, an invalid inference to draw from the data. https://buildingcriticalthinking.com/inferences/bad-inferences-fallacies-and-biases/
A person may want/will something to be fixed, but choose to educate and equip someone else to do the fixing - to train them to become a proficient fixer through practical experience - rather than to always do all the fixing for the other person. If the delegated fixer misunderstands or distrusts the trainer's teaching, or chooses not to follow the trainer's instructions, then a healing the trainer wants/wills to happen will not to happen. We cannot logically infer from a lack of fixing that the trainer wants the object to remain unfixed.

I agree and made this thread to discuss all things related and I don't want to determine by being persuaded that way. I may just never come to a conclusion and that's ok too.

Secondly, Jesus said that faith as grain of mustard seed is enough to remove a mountain or a sycamine tree and cast it into the sea. So, the quota for faith Jesus set was minute. However, we also see that, even though a miracle requires faith only as a grain of mustard seed, if that faith is counteracted with unbelief/doubt, then the miracle can be prevented.

There is also the man who said he believed and then asked Jesus to help his unbelief. And that is actually the context of the scripture about the grain of mustard seed. We have belief/faith, but also the recognition of the lack of it. So yeah, the father becomes desperate and cries out 'I believe but help me out with my doubt' Jesus goes ahead and 'heals' (requiring the casting out of the demon) the boy.

23 Jesus said to him, “If you can believe, all things are possible to him who believes.”

24 Immediately the father of the child cried out and said with tears, “Lord, I believe; help my unbelief!”

25 When Jesus saw that the people came running together, He rebuked the unclean spirit, saying to it, “Deaf and dumb spirit, I command you, come out of him and enter him no more!” Mark 9

(making a 2nd post for the rest)

 

[pinebeach]

Mat 17:19
Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out?
Mat 17:20
And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.

The disciples clerly had faith, because they tried to cast out the demon as they had done so many times before. But when they saw the storm the demon whipped up in the boy, unbelief rose up and prevented the miracle.

Our culture has marinated us in so many beliefs that are antithetical to God's truth, that when we try to believe God's word our faith is almost always mixed with doubt, making the faith unfruitful. So, we

need to get rid of all notions that conflict with God's word and engender doubt that will oppose our faith. But that is something we must do, as Jesus instructs us to do, in order for us to see the results of an overcoming mustard seed of faith. Few Christians are willing to be that odd-ball in their beliefs and to suffer the ignominy that would come from friends and family for not embracing the medical beliefs that have been declared "settled science".

Meaning BELIEVE what God says and act on it. I think where I am starting to go with 'healing' is that God does seek our healing both physical and spiritual (especially) but as with all other things, we are participants. I really have no problem believing in casting out demons in Jesus name and I have seen manifestations (including physical and violent) and I have prayed for healing for (believe it or not) animals and they are healed but not always. Nonetheless I just go forward because I mean what else is there?

On the other hand, if God wills all to be healed and they are not, and many have faith and are not healed, then where do we go with that? So right now this is a bunch of words that I might read later and think I said something the wrong way. But at least when we pray we know God knows our heart and that is really the source of truth. Probably why we should examine ourselves before Him and see where we are at.

 

[pinebeach]

I have gotten healed by the pastor this one time. She prayed and layed hands on me and I could feel it heal. It was amazing miracle that happen.

All things work for the good for those who fear God. Also, all things work for the good for those who love God.

All things work for our good, even if we might die is what I believe. Some way, some how God uses it for blessings. Sometimes we can be saved from something because of a bad thing, something we thought was a curse. We are blessed and cursed not.

And declare that in your life. "I am blessed and cursed not." "All things work for my good." And they do, even death.

Well if I might interject. It is not the person who heals but rather the Holy Spirit working through people. I guess you might know this but some people don't. There are a myriad of verses in scripture that we can claim and say out loud. Words are important.

Wonderful that you were healed!

 

[wattie]

Well who are the 'people'? I don't find I can use that kind of example as part of my searching for what the Bible in particular has to say about healing. We really don't have histories on the people healed in the Bible and every one of them died so healing is physical, but I think that the 'healing' described in Isaiah 53 (by His stripes we are healed) certainly applies to much more than physical even though those who insist all should or can be healed, use that verse as part of the proof of what they believe.

If you believe that God can have the 'final say' in circumstances, then perhaps your cessationist mindset applies to the spiritual gifts?
There are Christians who do not believe that God does anything anymore in this world and we are left to follow only the Bible and really we should not expect anything 'personal' from God anymore. That, of course, flies against both Testaments and testimony in the NT. You might be surprise at just how 'common' the Holy Spirit activity in this world is. He is the One who gives us understanding according to the word through which we are to renew our minds. I think one reason there is so much disagreement in hermeneutics and people become so angry when their conclusions are questioned, is that they are dependng on their own flesh which is easily insulted because of pride and what have you. That, is not how actual understanfing is achieved. I could say alot more about it but that is not the topic of this thread

It is on spiritual gifts..but mainly on prophecy, tongues and knowledge gifts ceasing.

Regards to 'people ' claiming healing..I have experienced some say they had a miracle healing..and the ailment they had returns. If it really were a biblically healing..it would be 100 percent. As I said.. if pain was there it would be a new problem.

That's because its God doing the healing..if it were miraculous.

There is also God 'dealing with the balances'..which is what I think God does most commonly today.. where someone may have a 50 50 chance of death..or losing a limb..and God influences the healing to have no death and the limb to heal.

Spiritual healing. .. yeah..that's going on all the time. Thru salvation and sanctification