Mental Illness Lies

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Are you a doctor or a nurse?

She and I, are the patient after the doctor guesses what medication to give us when i say "i have back pain".
This involves listening the patient and it involves the doctor making the right decision based on what the patient said.
Also a good doctor will try to bypass certain insurance requirements which tie their hands. This tells you, that you're dealing with a good doctor.
 
That depends on the qualifications that you might recognize. Is it only that you have practiced medicine?

If you do not have medical expertise then you have no right to judge a parent's decision and actually even then it is not your place to judge.

And using loaded language is very uncharitable towards those parents who have had to make these very challenging decisions for the safety of their child.
I understand many Christians hate modern medicine and they want to go back to the dark ages and perhaps use leeches well that is their choice too.
Anyway, there is nothing more to say on this.
 
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That depends on the qualifications that you might recognize. Is it only that you have practiced medicine?

One would think you could be honest and answer plainly considering you were going to take the high road and all that.
 
If you do not have medical expertise then you have no right to judge a parent's decision and actually even then it is not your place to judge.

And using loaded language is very uncharitable towards those parents who have had to make these very challenging decisions for the safety of their child.
I understand many Christians hate modern medicine and they want to go back to the dark ages and perhaps use leeches well that is their choice too.
Anyway, there is nothing more to say on this.
Do those with medical expertise have the right to judge a parent's decision?
 
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Since you are not being forthright I am not going to pursue this conversation further.
Speaking of forthright, I don't much appreciate your insinuation that I've judge any parent's decision. The decisions they make are undoubtedly made in good faith to the advice they have been given, I'm only judging the assumption that only 'the experts' can be unquestionably trusted.
 
When "experts" try to push ideas without listening, usually end up at the following address:

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If you do not have medical expertise then you have no right to judge a parent's decision and actually even then it is not your place to judge.

And using loaded language is very uncharitable towards those parents who have had to make these very challenging decisions for the safety of their child.
I understand many Christians hate modern medicine and they want to go back to the dark ages and perhaps use leeches well that is their choice too.
Anyway, there is nothing more to say on this.

No parent wants to give there child medication. today is different from back then only the facilities were allowed to give them medicine even the dosage was experimental. The doctor said give him a tiny tiny amount and if it doesn't work a little bit more that was about it. It was that or not have him anymore. These are decisions a parent has to make to keep there children with them. What it did was he was able to go to school for 4 hours a day then my mom would pick him up after after lunch. This continued even into high school. Before that his behavior was such that he was often locked into the storage room because the teacher couldn't take the behavior when she found out she was furious That where sporadic visit came in. I even remember there was even a few months she went to school with him every single day to make sure he was being treated right.
 
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No parent wants to give there child medication. today is different from back then only the facilities were allowed to give them medicine even the dosage was experimental. The doctor said give him a tiny tiny amount and if it doesn't work a little bit more that was about it. It was that or not have him anymore. These are decisions a parent has to make to keep there children with them. What it did was he was able to go to school for 4 hours a day then my mom would pick him up after after lunch. This continued even into high school. Before that his behavior was such that he was often locked into the storage room because the teacher couldn't take the behavior when she found out she was furious That where sporadic visit came in. I even remember there was even a few months she went to school with him every single day to make sure he was being treated right.

All I can say is I get and I hear you.
Hard for your mom and it takes a toll on the entire family.:cry:

So much heartbreak because of this impairment, I hope they figure it out soon because the numbers now are 1 in 31 born with autism in the USA.
 
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All I can say is I get and I hear you.
Hard for your mom and it takes a toll on the entire family.:cry:

So much heartbreak because of this impairment, I hope they figure it out soon because the numbers now are 1 in 31 born with autism in the USA.

About two-thirds of them have severe autism, and it doesn’t help that many tend to be tall. Their height can naturally scare people, even though their personalities are more like teddy bears—basically a 5-year-old in a 6-foot body. Interestingly enough, autism in girls is different from boys; it’s often either very high functioning or very severe and nonverbal, sometimes even accompanied by paralysis, which can be caused by many factors. Now Trump thinks he can help, and we will just have to see if leucovorin works.

It’s hard in the beginning, but I’m confident that one day my brother will be able to live an independent life. Just like one time in his 30s, he asked me for the first time how I felt. I know one day He will eventually get there.
 
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About two-thirds of them have severe autism, and it doesn’t help that many tend to be tall. Their height can naturally scare people, even though their personalities are more like teddy bears—basically a 5-year-old in a 6-foot body. Interestingly enough, autism in girls is different from boys; it’s often either very high functioning or very severe and nonverbal, sometimes even accompanied by paralysis, which can be caused by many factors. Now Trump thinks he can help, and we will just have to see if leucovorin works.

It’s hard in the beginning, but I’m confident that one day my brother will be able to live an independent life. Just like one time in his 30s, he asked me for the first time how I felt. I know one day He will eventually get there.


Thank you Daisy.
Since you've experienced this in your family your answers are very clear and genuine.
May God help us all with all the diseases we experience in this world and may He guide us to make the best decision in a world where some people can profit from someone's health issue.
 
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So then do you want to talk about these points?



I mean, the first one means 'shy'. The other ones could be described as 'geek' or 'Einstein'.
Nothing wrong with any of those. We all have different personality traits, right?
First, I think it is important to point something out. I have scrolled and skimmed through the rest of the thread and haven't noticed this being brought up (though when digital bickering starts sounding like my kids and real life, I have a tendency to tune out, ignore, and possibly miss something of merit)

Well, what I wanted to point out is that with something like being shy, that is only one area of life. Just because a person is shy does not mean they have autism; however, another person could both be shy and have autism.
For it to be autism there must be 2 or more areas of impediments. (I hope some stuff I'm thinking of/ wanting to share later will help explain the' 2 areas' comment better)

I'm sorry, I feel like this (my post) is getting choppy or might not make sense. I have been typing/deleting while the house was quiet and now people are up and keep talking to me/interrupting my thoughts, and I don't think it's getting typed out as clearly as I had thought out. That, or I'm just so used to being in/around autism all the time that things make sense to me that may not make sense to someone else without further explanations.
And actually, honestly, I feel that sometimes even with the best, clearest explanation that could be given, there are people who unless they live through it and experience this autistic world/community, they will never 'get it'. And by experience, I don't mean 'oh yeah, my nephew is on the spectrum. I see and hear what my sister and her family go through, I get it'. There is a BIG difference between having a knowledge of something, and some understanding and even empathy, and actually living through it. (my 2 cents)

Also:
"When you've met one person with autism, you've met one"
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Which, really when you stop to think about it, should go with out saying. I mean if you've met one cop, you've met one cop. If you've met one teacher, you've met one teacher. So why do people feel the need to group all autistic individuals into some category like if you've met one you've met them all?

How is this spectrum disorder defined? Can you explain it?
I think that this AI summary does a pretty good job of doing such. This is a copy/paste summary, thus why the yellow highlight; however, I did at some point want to discuss the fact that it is across multiple contexts, and not just 1 such as discussed previously (example: does shyness mean having autism? No, not if shyness is the ONLY trait)

The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5) defines autism spectrum disorder (ASD) as follows:

Diagnostic Criteria for Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD)

A. Persistent deficits in social communication and social interaction across multiple contexts, as manifested by all of the following:

  • Deficits in social-emotional reciprocity, such as failure to engage in reciprocal social interactions, difficulties in coordinating attention and behavior with others, and lack of shared enjoyment, interests, or emotions.
  • Deficits in nonverbal communicative behaviors used for social interaction, such as eye contact, body language, and gestures.
    • Deficits in understanding and use of social relationships, such as difficulties adjusting behavior to different social contexts, interpreting nonverbal cues, and understanding friendships.
B. Restricted, repetitive patterns of behavior, interests, or activities, as manifested by all of the following:

    • Repetitive motor movements, use of objects, or speech (e.g., hand flapping, spinning, repetitive speech).
    • Insistence on sameness, inflexible adherence to routines, or ritualized patterns of behavior.
    • Highly restricted interests that are abnormal in intensity or focus.
    • Hyper- or hyporeactivity to sensory input or unusual interests in sensory aspects of the environment (e.g., indifference to pain or extreme sensitivity to sounds, textures, or smells).
C. Symptoms must be present early in the developmental period (typically before age 5).

D. The symptoms cannot be better explained by intellectual disability (intellectual developmental disorder) or a global developmental delay.

Specify Severity Level:

Level 1: Requires support, Level 2: Requires substantial support, and Level 3: Requires very substantial support.

The DSM-5 provides a more dimensional approach to diagnosing ASD, recognizing that individuals may exhibit varying degrees of severity and symptoms. It is important to note that these criteria are intended to be used by qualified mental health professionals for diagnostic purposes.
 
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I have read a lot of articles on the subject of 'shy vs. autism'.
Heck, a simple search of the phrase 'shy vs. autism' will bring up countless articles on the subject.
I have read through several and just feel like it all ends up being word salads o_O and never fully answering the question of "does being shy mean you have autism"?
I am posting the link for this article because I feel it explains the difference well without word salads.

Shy Child vs. Autism: Common Misconceptions
https://rainbowtherapy.org/shy-child-vs-autism-common-misconceptions/
 
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@GodsGirl123 thank you very much for taking the time to write these posts and for you having a person in your family dealing with autism it must be a difficult daily task that takes a lot out of you.
I can relate because i have been dealing with taking my mother to the hospital for cancer in the past 3 years, among other things that my wife and i have to do in the house.

During this discussion with self-proclaimed experts i was trying to find out the prior cause of autism and it seem that it's either genetically related or physically caused such as an accident for example.

The search for the prior cause begins with many diseases, cancer included, where they run genetic tests to begin with or they check for any factors which could be contributing to cancer such as : have you been working in a mine all your life and smoking coal fumes all day?

Through these questions we try to understand why it's caused to begin with and then how do we attempt to treat it.

What i was trying to distinguish in this discussion is that NOT every character trait that we are born with means autism.
Then the second point is, make sure you consult with 3 doctors before making a final determination with making sure that someone has autism. (Same approach in cancer patients).
My friend who i was having lunch with who has a daughter with some condition that i can't pronounce which affects her ability to learn in college, checked with 4 different doctors to make sure that what they were saying aligned with her condition.

So, that's all i wanted to point out.
Thank you and may God help us do what's right for our loved ones in this world where everyone is out to take something from you, even when you're sick.

God bless you and your family.
 
One way to test the doctors is to go to them and DON'T tell them what the other office said.
Go in brand-new and let him/her figure it out and see if his conclusion aligns with your previous doctor.

Because if you tell them, they will want to see other doctor's notes (if any). And through this process you may even find out that doctors don't even READ notes sometimes when they HAVE to.

It's a difficult journey for the patient and the family.
 
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One way to test the doctors is to go to them and DON'T tell them what the other office said.
Go in brand-new and let him/her figure it out and see if his conclusion aligns with your previous doctor.

Because if you tell them, they will want to see other doctor's notes (if any). And through this process you may even find out that doctors don't even READ notes sometimes when they HAVE to.

It's a difficult journey for the patient and the family.
We went to a 'specialist' at a very young age (I think 3, maybe 4) and I recently came across their report and was re-reading through it.
It said that Dr. felt my child did NOT have autism because they were engaged with people in the room (the dr, myself and the baby sibling) and were not displaying "odd behaviors" (such as hand flapping or head banging) At that time I was unaware as to what autism was/is, and that 'specialist' sure didn't help. No follow ups, no referrals, no recommendations.

What's the cause? I don't know.
 
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We went to a 'specialist' at a very young age (I think 3, maybe 4) and I recently came across their report and was re-reading through it.
It said that Dr. felt my child did NOT have autism because they were engaged with people in the room (the dr, myself and the baby sibling) and were not displaying "odd behaviors" (such as hand flapping or head banging) At that time I was unaware as to what autism was/is, and that 'specialist' sure didn't help. No follow ups, no referrals, no recommendations.

What's the cause? I don't know.

Godsgirl1983,

Most children get diagnosed with autism young. say a normal child begins speaking at 2 years but your autistic child is between 3-4 or as late as 14 year in some cases before they begin speaking typically in full sentence. or never gain speaking abilities. My brother was 10 yr. but that alone with not get an diagnoses of autism. As autism is really varied i describe my brother and some of the people we know so could see how unique it is.
Its usually followed by by tests of behavior and sensory sensitivity. fixation was a problem with my brother but ocd is another common trait and that is also unique to each person. so your child may have not reach the requipments for the diagnosis.
 
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