How many times can those of dead faith choose to accept Jesus and be saved?

[mailmandan]

Can sin enter Heaven?

How do we get rid of it?

Scripure please, which states faith removes our sins.

JESUS said in John 3:5 can't enter with out water or spirit.

Scripture where faith gives you the Holy GHost as well.

Convince me you are right.

So, you have no rebuttal for post #38? Now in regard to the word "water" in John 3:5, Jesus did not mention baptism but in the very next chapter Jesus mentions "living water" in John 4:10, 14 and connects it with everlasting life and in John 7:38-39, we read - "He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water. But this He spoke concerning the Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the source of living water and spiritual cleansing.

If "water" is defined as baptism, then we could just as justifiably say, "Out of his heart will flow rivers of living baptism" in John 7:38. If this sounds ridiculous, it is no more so than the idea that water baptism is the source or the means of becoming born again. So to automatically read "baptism" into John 3:5 simply because it mentions "water" is unwarranted.

We can also see from scripture that "water" is used in the Bible as an emblem of the word of God, and in such uses it is associated with cleansing or washing. (John 15:3; Ephesians 5:26) When we are born again, the Holy Spirit begets new life and we are said to become "partakers of the divine nature." (2 Peter 1:4) The new birth is brought to pass through "incorruptible seed, by the Word of God, which lives and abides forever" (I Peter 1:23) and the Holy Spirit accomplishes the washing of regeneration. (Titus 3:5)

So, you need scripture that states faith removes our sins? Acts 13:38 - Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through this Man is preached to you the forgiveness of sins; 39 and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Acts 26:18 - to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.

Romans 3:24 - being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, 26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

So, it's faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) that brings the remission of sins. (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 13:38-39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 20:21; 26:18). Perfect Harmony

 

[HeIsHere]

If someone merely says-claims they have faith, but lack resulting evidential works, then they demonstrate that they have an empty profession of faith/dead faith and not authentic faith. (James 2:14)

Just focusing on this statement, this is basically back loading works onto faith.

"Dead" does not equal empty profession of faith, it is faith that was placed in Christ but is not being put to use.

Even though you are not saying this:

Faith+Works=Salvation

You are asserting this:

Faith=Salvation+Works


Both are wrong.

Works do not prove your faith is true.

How many works? For how long? Which ones? Scripture proves our faith is true.
The only evidence we have of true salvation is scripture alone. God said we are saved because we believe.

 

[mailmandan]

Just focusing on this statement, this is basically back loading works onto faith.

"Dead" does not equal empty profession of faith, it is faith that was placed in Christ but is not being put to use.

Even though you are not saying this:

Faith+Works=Salvation

You are asserting this:

Faith=Salvation+Works

Both are wrong.

Works do not prove your faith is true.

How many works? For how long? Which ones? Scripture proves our faith is true.
The only evidence we have of true salvation is scripture alone. God said we are saved because we believe.

Says/claims to have faith but has no works = empty profession of faith. Man is saved through faith and not by works (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9); yet genuine faith is (evidenced) by works. (James 2:14-24)

*Jesus saves us through faith based on the merits of His finished work of redemption "alone" and not based on the merits of our works. (Romans 3:24-28; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9) Hence, FAITH (rightly understood in Jesus Christ) ALONE.

It is through faith "in Jesus Christ alone" (and not based on the merits of our works) that we are justified on account of Christ (Romans 4:5-6; 5:1; 5:9); yet the faith that justifies does not remain alone (unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine. (James 2:14-24) *Perfect Harmony*

 

[HeIsHere]

Says/claims to have faith but has no works = empty profession of faith. Man is saved through faith and not by works (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9); yet genuine faith is (evidenced) by works. (James 2:14-24)

*Jesus saves us through faith based on the merits of His finished work of redemption "alone" and not based on the merits of our works. (Romans 3:24-28; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9) Hence, FAITH (rightly understood in Jesus Christ) ALONE.

It is through faith "in Jesus Christ alone" (and not based on the merits of our works) that we are justified on account of Christ (Romans 4:5-6; 5:1; 5:9); yet the faith that justifies does not remain alone (unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine. (James 2:14-24) *Perfect Harmony*

The key word is what does "dead" mean in context and it does not = empty profession of faith.

James is not delineating genuine and non-genuine faith, he is delineating a faith that is being put to use and one that is not.

This is without exception the correct interpretation of James which keeps in harmony with Paul.

And remember that James is answering the objections of an interlocutor so not everything that is written is his argument but the argument of the interlocutor.

Stating No works = Not saved/False Faith >>>>> is back loading works onto salvation, salvation is completely by grace through faith.

Works support our testimony to men in real time, the lack of works does not mean a false profession of faith. James is not stating this.

 

[Ouch]

So, you have no rebuttal for post #38? Now in regard to the word "water" in John 3:5, Jesus did not mention baptism but in the very next chapter Jesus mentions "living water" in John 4:10, 14 and connects it with everlasting life and in John 7:38-39, we read - "He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water. But this He spoke concerning the Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the source of living water and spiritual cleansing.

If "water" is defined as baptism, then we could just as justifiably say, "Out of his heart will flow rivers of living baptism" in John 7:38. If this sounds ridiculous, it is no more so than the idea that water baptism is the source or the means of becoming born again. So to automatically read "baptism" into John 3:5 simply because it mentions "water" is unwarranted.

We can also see from scripture that "water" is used in the Bible as an emblem of the word of God, and in such uses it is associated with cleansing or washing. (John 15:3; Ephesians 5:26) When we are born again, the Holy Spirit begets new life and we are said to become "partakers of the divine nature." (2 Peter 1:4) The new birth is brought to pass through "incorruptible seed, by the Word of God, which lives and abides forever" (I Peter 1:23) and the Holy Spirit accomplishes the washing of regeneration. (Titus 3:5)

So, you need scripture that states faith removes our sins? Acts 13:38 - Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through this Man is preached to you the forgiveness of sins; 39 and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Acts 26:18 - to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.

Romans 3:24 - being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, 26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

So, it's faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) that brings the remission of sins. (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 13:38-39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 20:21; 26:18). Perfect Harmony

Thank you for the bible study thought your eyes.

Why can't you keep it simple and just share scripture with out story time?

That does not answer my questions, you are just trying to justify what you think is true.

Can sin enter Heaven?
How do we get rid of it?
Scripture please, which states faith removes our sins.
JESUS said in John 3:5 can't enter with out water or spirit.
Scripture where faith gives you the Holy GHost as well.


John 3:5 does mean water, look at what happened just after JESUS message he left that conversation and,

John 3,

22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.

23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.

I do agree with you with the living water meaning the Holy Ghost.

Can you show me an example of someone being filled with the Holy Ghost?

 

[mailmandan]

The key word is what does "dead" mean in context and it does not = empty profession of faith.

James is not delineating genuine and non-genuine faith, he is delineating a faith that is being put to use and one that is not.

This is without exception the correct interpretation of James which keeps in harmony with Paul.

And remember that James is answering the objections of an interlocutor so not everything that is written is his argument but the argument of the interlocutor.

Stating No works = Not saved/False Faith >>>>> is back loading works onto salvation, salvation is completely by grace through faith.

Works support our testimony to men in real time, the lack of works does not mean a false profession of faith. James is not stating this.

After James said, "what good is it if someone says/claims to have faith, but has no works," he goes on to ask a rhetorical question- Can that faith save him? The answer to that rhetorical question is obviously NO. Then, James concludes that a man is justified (shown to be righteous) by works and not by faith only, which equates to an empty profession of faith/dead faith that "remains alone" - barren of works. (James 2:24) Genuine faith is evidenced by works. The absence of evidence can be construed as evidence of absence.

 

[mailmandan]

Thank you for the bible study thought your eyes.

Why can't you keep it simple and just share scripture with out story time?

That does not answer my questions, you are just trying to justify what you think is true.

Can sin enter Heaven?
How do we get rid of it?
Scripture please, which states faith removes our sins.
JESUS said in John 3:5 can't enter with out water or spirit.
Scripture where faith gives you the Holy GHost as well.

John 3:5 does mean water, look at what happened just after JESUS message he left that conversation and,

John 3,

22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.

23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.

I do agree with you with the living water meaning the Holy Ghost.

Can you show me an example of someone being filled with the Holy Ghost?

I did keep it simple but apparently the scriptures that I shared with you did not seem to fit your narrative, so you basically disgarded them. You seem interested in hearing only what you want to hear.

Now in regard to John 3:22, by this time Jesus' conversation with Nicodemus is over with and He has moved on. John 3:22 - After these things Jesus and His disciples came into the land of Judea, and there He was spending time with them and baptizing. Verse 22 is out of context with verse 5. What is still in context with verse 5 are verses 14-18.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

How many times can those of dead faith choose to accept Jesus and be saved?

Have you ever considered the works james is talking about ? The example he gives is someone who sees another in need and has plenty but instead of helping the person in need with thier substance sharing it with them , the person simply says “ I’ll pray that your warm and well fed “ then James says “ can this kind of faith save you ? When you refused to act ?

it’s important to know James is a Christian and he’s not advocating Moses law but the works jesus taught Christian’s to do .

For instance look how this would impact a persons judgement

“Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again. And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:36-38, 46‬ ‭KJV‬‬

moses works in the law won’t help anyone but the things Jesus taught Christian’s are life and salvation . A few of those things are sharing our plenty with those who don’t have enough like James example . When he asks “ can tbat kind of faith save you ?”

another thing a are forgiving other people when they sin against us as many times as necassary

“Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭18:21-22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

sits rewllyni portent to look at the gospel Jesus preached and taught or we’ll never know the things he’s talking about pertaining to judgement because Jesus is the judge not Moses

jesus judgements are better and offer mercy and life to a believer

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

arhats true for all of us so look at what this means that day

“Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven

those works he taught in the gospel his words are eternal and can save souls but they revolve around mercy , compassion , love for other human beings god created and not around a law written on stone tablets

 

[mailmandan]

Stating No works = Not saved/False Faith >>>>> is back loading works onto salvation, salvation is completely by grace through faith.

Salvation is completely by grace through faith and not works (Ephesians 2:8,9) yet genuine faith is evidenced by works. (James 2:14-24) Faith is the root of salvation and works are the fruit. No fruit at all would demonstrate there is no root. Works are only backloaded onto salvation when one teaches that we are saved by both faith and works, which places works as the basis or means by which one obtains salvation.

 

[Kroogz]

Just focusing on this statement, this is basically back loading works onto faith.

"Dead" does not equal empty profession of faith, it is faith that was placed in Christ but is not being put to use.

Even though you are not saying this:

Faith+Works=Salvation

You are asserting this:

Faith=Salvation+Works


Both are wrong.

Works do not prove your faith is true.

How many works? For how long? Which ones? Scripture proves our faith is true.
The only evidence we have of true salvation is scripture alone. God said we are saved because we believe.

Exactly.

"Can that faith save him..." It is a physical reality. If we, as believers, have a dead faith it will not save us from our everyday problems and circumstances. And it will not save/help others that God puts in our paths.

James is teaching about our real world APPLICATION of our faith. Not our eternal life and salvation.

Many believers today have a dead faith. They may be very moral and religious. Doing many "good" things but are doing it from their flesh. They do not know how to be filled and walk in the Spirit.

 

[Kroogz]

Says/claims to have faith but has no works = empty profession of faith. Man is saved through faith and not by works (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9); yet genuine faith is (evidenced) by works. (James 2:14-24)

*Jesus saves us through faith based on the merits of His finished work of redemption "alone" and not based on the merits of our works. (Romans 3:24-28; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9) Hence, FAITH (rightly understood in Jesus Christ) ALONE.

It is through faith "in Jesus Christ alone" (and not based on the merits of our works) that we are justified on account of Christ (Romans 4:5-6; 5:1; 5:9); yet the faith that justifies does not remain alone (unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine. (James 2:14-24) *Perfect Harmony*

24 You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.

God sees the heart. Everyone who has believed in the Lord Jesus Christ is saved. Faith alone is all it takes.

YOU SEE evidence of this through our works. Man looks at the outside appearance.

Many believers stay as babes in Christ for an entire lifetime. YOU SEE, no evidence. But God knows the heart.

And in my opinion, one better be very, very mature in Christ to deem themselves as fruit inspectors. Most cannot decipher from human good and divine good.

 

[Ouch]

I did keep it simple but apparently the scriptures that I shared with you did not seem to fit your narrative, so you basically disgarded them. You seem interested in hearing only what you want to hear.

Now in regard to John 3:22, by this time Jesus' conversation with Nicodemus is over with and He has moved on. John 3:22 - After these things Jesus and His disciples came into the land of Judea, and there He was spending time with them and baptizing. Verse 22 is out of context with verse 5. What is still in context with verse 5 are verses 14-18.

Why not just say you can't show me any verse that says faith remits our sins???

Why not let JESUS do the talking instead of you doing it?

Can we enter Heaven with sin?

NO, JESUS is the word and HE SAYS,

1 Corinthians 6:9-11
King James Version
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

WERE YOU WASHED?

How do we get rid of sins,

Acts 22:16
King James Version
16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Acts 2:38-39
King James Version
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

SEE HOW EASY THAT IS.

Why is John 3:22 out of context with 3:5?

What does the water mean in John 3:5 if not baptism?

 

[mailmandan]

Why not just say you can't show me any verse that says faith remits our sins???

I already showed you multiple verses. (Acts 10:43; 13:38-39; 26:18; Romans 3:25-26)

Why not let JESUS do the talking instead of you doing it?

Jesus has done plenty of talking in the book of John. (John 3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:26,26) 4:10,14; 7:37-39) Are you listening?

Can we enter Heaven with sin?

No.

NO, JESUS is the word and HE SAYS,

Jesus is the Word. (John 1:1-14)

1 Corinthians 6:9-11
King James Version
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Did you notice in verse 9 that the unrighteous (not the righteous) shall not inherit the kingdom of God? In Galatians 5:19-21 we see a similar
list of sins that the unrighteous practice. In 1 John 3:9, we read that no one who is born of God practices sin. Did you see that?

11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Yes, and such were (past tense) some of you but you (who are righteous) are sanctified and justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. Did you notice the contrast between the unrighteous and the righteous?

WERE YOU WASHED?

Yes. You seem to confuse spiritual washing which is internal with water baptism which is external.

How do we get rid of sins,

By believing in Him/placing faith in Jesus Christ for salvation. (Acts 10:43; 13:38-39; 26:18; Romans 3:25-26) Hearts are purified by faith. (Acts 15:9)

Acts 22:16
King James Version
16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Excellent article on Acts 22:16 - https://kentbrandenburg.blogspot.com/2015/03/acts-2216-baptism-essential-for.html

Acts 2:38-39
King James Version
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

In Acts 2:38, "for the remission of sins" does not refer back to both clauses, "you all repent" and "each one of you be baptized," but refers only to the first. Peter is saying "repent unto the remission of your sins," the same as in Acts 3:19. The clause "each one of you be baptized" is parenthetical. This is exactly what Acts 3:19 teaches except that Peter omits the parenthesis.

*Also compare the fact that these Gentiles in Acts 10:45 received the gift of the Holy Spirit (compare with Acts 2:38 - the gift of the Holy Spirit) and this was BEFORE water baptism (Acts 10:47).

In Acts 10:43 we read ..whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins. Again, these Gentiles received the gift of the Holy Spirit - Acts 10:45 - when they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ - Acts 11:17 - (compare with Acts 16:31 - Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved) BEFORE water baptism - Acts 10:47. This is referred to as repentance unto life - Acts 11:18.

*So the only logical conclusion when properly harmonizing Scripture with Scripture is that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9; 16:31; 26:18). *Perfect Harmony*

SEE HOW EASY THAT IS.

I see how easy it is for you to pervert the gospel.

Why is John 3:22 out of context with 3:5?

Because by the time you get all way down to verse 22, Jesus' conversation with Nicodemus is over and He and His disciples have moved on to the land of Judea.

What does the water mean in John 3:5 if not baptism?

I already explained this in post #41. Did you not read the words "living water" in (John 4:10,14; 7:37-39) and washing of water by the word in Ephesians 5:26?

 

[Blade]

Dead faith James was not talking about coming back or being saved. I like this "What good is it, James asks, if you tell the poor that you believe God will clothe them, and you tell the hungry that you have faith in God to feed them, but you yourself don’t do anything to feed or clothe them?"

Do we understand? its not about salvation.

 

[Ouch]

I already showed you multiple verses. (Acts 10:43; 13:38-39; 26:18; Romans 3:25-26)

Jesus has done plenty of talking in the book of John. (John 3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:26,26) 4:10,14; 7:37-39) Are you listening?

No.

Jesus is the Word. (John 1:1-14)

Did you notice in verse 9 that the unrighteous (not the righteous) shall not inherit the kingdom of God? In Galatians 5:19-21 we see a similar
list of sins that the unrighteous practice. In 1 John 3:9, we read that no one who is born of God practices sin. Did you see that?

Yes, and such were (past tense) some of you but you (who are righteous) are sanctified and justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. Did you notice the contrast between the unrighteous and the righteous?

Yes. You seem to confuse spiritual washing which is internal with water baptism which is external.

By believing in Him/placing faith in Jesus Christ for salvation. (Acts 10:43; 13:38-39; 26:18; Romans 3:25-26) Hearts are purified by faith. (Acts 15:9)

Excellent article on Acts 22:16 - https://kentbrandenburg.blogspot.com/2015/03/acts-2216-baptism-essential-for.html

In Acts 2:38, "for the remission of sins" does not refer back to both clauses, "you all repent" and "each one of you be baptized," but refers only to the first. Peter is saying "repent unto the remission of your sins," the same as in Acts 3:19. The clause "each one of you be baptized" is parenthetical. This is exactly what Acts 3:19 teaches except that Peter omits the parenthesis.

*Also compare the fact that these Gentiles in Acts 10:45 received the gift of the Holy Spirit (compare with Acts 2:38 - the gift of the Holy Spirit) and this was BEFORE water baptism (Acts 10:47).

In Acts 10:43 we read ..whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins. Again, these Gentiles received the gift of the Holy Spirit - Acts 10:45 - when they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ - Acts 11:17 - (compare with Acts 16:31 - Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved) BEFORE water baptism - Acts 10:47. This is referred to as repentance unto life - Acts 11:18.

*So the only logical conclusion when properly harmonizing Scripture with Scripture is that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9; 16:31; 26:18). *Perfect Harmony*

I see how easy it is for you to pervert the gospel.

Because by the time you get all way down to verse 22, Jesus' conversation with Nicodemus is over and He and His disciples have moved on to the land of Judea.

I already explained this in post #41. Did you not read the words "living water" in (John 4:10,14; 7:37-39) and washing of water by the word in Ephesians 5:26?

Ok I saved you whole post, ok with you if we look at these one at a time to put them behind us?

(Acts 10:43; 13:38-39; 26:18; Romans 3:25-26)

We need somekind of foundation.

JESUS says in John 3:5 we have to be born of water and of spirit to enter do you agree with JESUS?????

Peter speaking the first message to the Gentiles.

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Just belive, THATS IT? What happened after Peter said what he said in verse 43?

Acts 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Peter the one with the keys to heaven knows to be reborn you have to be baptized in JESUS name and receive the Holy Ghost.

After he spoke the Holy Ghost landed on them and he COMMANDED them to be baptized.

1. Why do you think they were reborn for just believing?

2. If that was true why is it recorded that the Holy Ghost landed on them and why did Peter command them to be baptized?

3. Do you believe what JESUS said, we have to be born of water and of spirit.

 

[Ouch]

I already showed you multiple verses. (Acts 10:43; 13:38-39; 26:18; Romans 3:25-26)

Jesus has done plenty of talking in the book of John. (John 3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:26,26) 4:10,14; 7:37-39) Are you listening?

No.

Jesus is the Word. (John 1:1-14)

Did you notice in verse 9 that the unrighteous (not the righteous) shall not inherit the kingdom of God? In Galatians 5:19-21 we see a similar
list of sins that the unrighteous practice. In 1 John 3:9, we read that no one who is born of God practices sin. Did you see that?

Yes, and such were (past tense) some of you but you (who are righteous) are sanctified and justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. Did you notice the contrast between the unrighteous and the righteous?

Yes. You seem to confuse spiritual washing which is internal with water baptism which is external.

By believing in Him/placing faith in Jesus Christ for salvation. (Acts 10:43; 13:38-39; 26:18; Romans 3:25-26) Hearts are purified by faith. (Acts 15:9)

Excellent article on Acts 22:16 - https://kentbrandenburg.blogspot.com/2015/03/acts-2216-baptism-essential-for.html

In Acts 2:38, "for the remission of sins" does not refer back to both clauses, "you all repent" and "each one of you be baptized," but refers only to the first. Peter is saying "repent unto the remission of your sins," the same as in Acts 3:19. The clause "each one of you be baptized" is parenthetical. This is exactly what Acts 3:19 teaches except that Peter omits the parenthesis.

*Also compare the fact that these Gentiles in Acts 10:45 received the gift of the Holy Spirit (compare with Acts 2:38 - the gift of the Holy Spirit) and this was BEFORE water baptism (Acts 10:47).

In Acts 10:43 we read ..whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins. Again, these Gentiles received the gift of the Holy Spirit - Acts 10:45 - when they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ - Acts 11:17 - (compare with Acts 16:31 - Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved) BEFORE water baptism - Acts 10:47. This is referred to as repentance unto life - Acts 11:18.

*So the only logical conclusion when properly harmonizing Scripture with Scripture is that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9; 16:31; 26:18). *Perfect Harmony*

I see how easy it is for you to pervert the gospel.

Because by the time you get all way down to verse 22, Jesus' conversation with Nicodemus is over and He and His disciples have moved on to the land of Judea.

I already explained this in post #41. Did you not read the words "living water" in (John 4:10,14; 7:37-39) and washing of water by the word in Ephesians 5:26?

To add a little more to Acts 10.

Why wern't they saved in first part of Acts like 10:4?

10 There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band,

2 A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.

3 He saw in a vision evidently about the ninth hour of the day an angel of God coming in to him, and saying unto him, Cornelius.

4 And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God.

5 And now send men to Joppa, and call for one Simon, whose surname is Peter:

Why was he told to send for Peter?

Peter was not allowed to even speak to the Gentiles.


Acts 11 Peter has some explaing to do to his fellow Jews.


13 And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter;

14 Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.

15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.

16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?


NOTE:
1. He was told to go and show them how to be saved.

2. The Holy Ghost fell on them like it did them in the beginning.

3. Peter remembered, john baptized with water but WE SHALL BE BAPTIZED WITH THE HOLY GHOST.

4. How could Peter WITHSTAND GOD so he baptized them.

Question when YOU heard the word did the Holy Ghost come on you like it did Cornelius and his family and friends ?

Back to Acts 19 I asked you have you received the Holy Ghost since you have believe?

When we get Acts 10:43 out of the way we can move onto Acts 13:38-39 OK?

 

[GWH]

You two are not discussing the OP. Again, an atheist can repent and accept Christ and be saved and receive the Holy Spirit only once.
If the saved person then repents of his saving faith and rejects Christ and blasphemes the HS such apostasy indicates total depravity or a completely callous heart that will never again genuinely repent, so their opportunity to be saved was wasted and judgment day awaits them (Heb. 6;4-6, 10:26-31, 3:7-11).

 

[mailmandan]

Ok I saved you whole post, ok with you if we look at these one at a time to put them behind us?

(Acts 10:43; 13:38-39; 26:18; Romans 3:25-26)

We need some kind of foundation.

1 Corinthians 3:11 - For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

JESUS says in John 3:5 we have to be born of water and of spirit to enter do you agree with JESUS?????

Yes. Do you agree with Jesus in John 4:10,14; 7:37-39?

Peter speaking the first message to the Gentiles.

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Just belive, THATS IT? What happened after Peter said what he said in verse 43?

That's it. Just believe in verse 43.

Acts 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

These Gentiles believed, received remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit along with the spiritual gift of tongues (which is ONLY for the body of Christ - 1 Corinthians 12) and were saved BEFORE water baptism.

48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Water baptism "followed."

Peter the one with the keys to heaven knows to be reborn you have to be baptized in JESUS name and receive the Holy Ghost.

The phrase, "in Jesus' name" is not a reference to a rigid, salvation baptismal formula but a reference to authority. To baptize in Jesus’ name is to baptize in the authority of Jesus. In Matthew 28:19, Jesus clearly stated - "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit." The proper way to baptize in Jesus’ name, in the authority of Jesus is to "baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." False religions that reject the Trinity will reject Matthew 28:19.

After he spoke the Holy Ghost landed on them and he COMMANDED them to be baptized.

AFTER they believed, received remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit, they were commanded to be baptized.

1. Why do you think they were reborn for just believing?

I would not say "just" believing as if believing is insufficient. Believing is as good as the OBJECT that we place it in (which is the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ) and to downplay believing as if it's not enough is to downplay the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ as if it's not enough. In Ephesians 1:13 -In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise.

2. If that was true why is it recorded that the Holy Ghost landed on them and why did Peter command them to be baptized?

Believers receive the Holy Spirit after they believe and are saved then proceed to receive water baptism. We see this same pattern all through scripture with some exceptions that involve laying on of hands before receiving the Holy Spirit.

3. Do you believe what JESUS said, we have to be born of water and of spirit.

Yes. I just don't believe your eisegesis.

 

[mailmandan]

To add a little more to Acts 10.

Why wern't they saved in first part of Acts like 10:4?

We see why in Acts 13 - And he told us how he had seen an angel standing in his house, who said to him, ‘Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon whose surname is Peter, 14 who will tell you words by which you and all your household will be saved.’ 15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell upon them, as upon us at the beginning. 16 Then I remembered the word of the Lord, how He said, ‘John indeed baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’ 17 If therefore God gave them the same gift (Holy Spirit) as He gave us when we believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could withstand God?” 18 When they heard these things they became silent; and they glorified God, saying, “Then God has also granted to the Gentiles repentance unto life.” It's just as I told you in post #53 - Faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9; 16:31; 26:18). *Perfect Harmony*

10 There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band,

2 A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.

3 He saw in a vision evidently about the ninth hour of the day an angel of God coming in to him, and saying unto him, Cornelius.

4 And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God.

5 And now send men to Joppa, and call for one Simon, whose surname is Peter:

Why was he told to send for Peter?

Peter was not allowed to even speak to the Gentiles.

Acts 11 Peter has some explaing to do to his fellow Jews.

13 And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter;

14 Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.

15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.

16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

I already summed it up for you.

NOTE:
1. He was told to go and show them how to be saved.

2. The Holy Ghost fell on them like it did them in the beginning.

3. Peter remembered, john baptized with water but WE SHALL BE BAPTIZED WITH THE HOLY GHOST.

4. How could Peter WITHSTAND GOD so he baptized them.

Question when YOU heard the word did the Holy Ghost come on you like it did Cornelius and his family and friends?

You are full of questions but no answers. See Acts 15:7 - And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: “Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. 8 So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, 9 and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

Back to Acts 19 I asked you have you received the Holy Ghost since you have believe?

Paul asked this question in verse 2, assuming they may have believed, yet their answer demonstrates they have not yet believed - “we have not so much as heard whether there is a Holy Spirit.” Paul further asked, "into what then were you baptized? They said, “into John’s baptism.” Then Paul said, “John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe in Him who would come after him, that is, in Christ Jesus Christ.” When they heard this, they were afterwards baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. There would have been no need to re-baptize them if they had already believed in Jesus Christ unto salvation. These disciples of John needed further instructions to become believers in Christ Jesus then afterwards, they received the Holy Spirit after Paul laid hands on them (which is an exception and not the rule in every case of conversion).

When we get Acts 10:43 out of the way we can move onto Acts 13:38-39 OK?

I'm sure you would like to get Acts 10:43 out of the way since that verse proves faith remits sins which does not accommodate your biased church doctrine.

 

[HeIsHere]

Exactly.

"Can that faith save him..." It is a physical reality. If we, as believers, have a dead faith it will not save us from our everyday problems and circumstances. And it will not save/help others that God puts in our paths.

James is teaching about our real world APPLICATION of our faith. Not our eternal life and salvation.

Many believers today have a dead faith. They may be very moral and religious. Doing many "good" things but are doing it from their flesh. They do not know how to be filled and walk in the Spirit.

So exactly what James is expounding, agree 100%, James is teaching the Brethren, putting our faith to work saves/benefits our soul!!!

Exactly.... the other wrong interpretation is, dare I say it, the Lordship/Reformed view.