Assurance of Salvation

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12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling
Hello lrs68, the good news here is that Paul admonishes us to "work out" (or express outwardly) the salvation that we ~already~ possess, the salvation that God has (and continues) to "work in" to each of us who are truly His :) The command is ~not~ to "work up" or "work at" or "work for" our salvation, which, of course, is not possible (as we cannot save ourselves .. e.g. Ezekiel 36:26; Romans 5:8-10; Ephesians 2:1-3, 4-5, 8-10; Hebrews 9:22).

God bless you!!

~Deuteronomy (David)

Philippians 2
12 So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling;
13 for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.
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Hello lrs68, the good news here is that Paul admonishes us to "work out" (or express outwardly) the salvation that we ~already~ possess, the salvation that God has (and continues) to "work in" to each of us who are truly His :) The command is ~not~ to "work up" or "work at" or "work for" our salvation, which, of course, is not possible (as we cannot save ourselves .. e.g. Ezekiel 36:26; Romans 5:8-10; Ephesians 2:1-3, 4-5, 8-10; Hebrews 9:22).

God bless you!!

~Deuteronomy (David)

Philippians 2
12 So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling;
13 for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.
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Amen, we definitely can not earn it.
 
My post is about knowing that you are saved but are we doing the Will of God.

Like the Parable of workers who had coins. 2 invested and 1 buried his so there was no investment made or return. As a result he was cast into outer darkness which is not Hell. So works do matter after one is saved according to the Bible.
 
I have noticed, among self-acknowleged Christians, some Christians take the "Woohoo, I'm saved!" outlook, whereas other Christians still have a sincere fear of going to hell. The first group seems to be more carefree and without fear, whereas the second group still a bit unsure and cannot answer with 100 percent certainty if they are saved. The second group tends to be more fearful that Jesus will say that they did not do enough. Who is right? Or is the answer somewhere in between? Please support with Scripture. Which group are you in? I tend to be in the first group, but I can also see the second group's view.

i think if we dont reject what’s there it becomes clear

God “will repay each person according to what they have done.”

To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.

But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. For God does not show favoritism.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:6-11‬ ‭

it’s hard to get past things plainly stated like that . Many people will just ignore it but it’s really repetitive Paul was o my teaching what Jesus taught

““Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:28-29‬ ‭NIV‬‬

when we’re reading his epistles we shouldn’t be afraid to acknowledge this part

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad. Since, then, we know what it is to fear the Lord, we try to persuade others. What we are is plain to God, and I hope it is also plain to your conscience.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10-11‬ ‭

Once we can acknowledge that part that we are going to face the lord at judgement for our deeds . If we don’t reject that truth then this becomes a valuable promise from the lord

“Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:36-38‬ ‭

Because our works are going to come up short on judgement day we need to believe and obey the gospel this stuff about mercy can save us because our works aren’t perfect

Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬


When we go around condemning people and pointing out thier sin we’re condemning our own self for our own sins not then like we think but our own self

When we judge other people were o ky condemning our own self

“Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:1, 3-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

there’s a really great parable known as “the parable of the unforgiving debtor “ that explains that we are forgiven because God gave us mercy but if we don’t give out that mercy we received we shouldn’t expect it in the end

We need to leave eternal judgement up to Jesus the judge like the apostle


“I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself. My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me. Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait until the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of the heart. At that time each will receive their praise from God.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭4:3-5‬ ‭NIV‬‬

often Christian’s reject the basics like eternal judgement and create other thoughts but it’s going to be the way God taught us it will be

We need to be merciful to others if we’re expecting mercy at judgement that will save us
 
My post is about knowing that you are saved but are we doing the Will of God.

Like the Parable of workers who had coins. 2 invested and 1 buried his so there was no investment made or return. As a result he was cast into outer darkness which is not Hell. So works do matter after one is saved according to the Bible.
Hello again lrs68, thanks for your reply (y) While I agree with most of what you've said in this thread, I do have a question about one of the statements that you've made (the one above in bold). What do you mean by it, specifically (IOW, why do you believe that our works matter once we are saved and/or what do believe that they do for us, if anything .. in regard to our salvation) :unsure:

Thanks :)

God bless you!!

~Deuteronomy (David)
 
Hello again lrs68, thanks for your reply (y) While I agree with most of what you've said in this thread, I do have a question about one of the statements that you've made (the one above in bold). What do you mean by it, specifically (IOW, why do you believe that our works matter once we are saved and/or what do believe that they do for us, if anything .. in regard to our salvation) :unsure:

Thanks :)

God bless you!!

~Deuteronomy (David)
Matthew 25 is Jesus giving imagery to the Kingdom of Heaven and during the Parable of the Talents He explains 3 types of works and rewards. However, the last example of the man burying the talent instead of investing it he ends up in outer darkness.

Jesus explains how works are an investment in the rewards one can receive in Heaven.

But the man who is one of the workers for the Master chooses to bury and do nothing and as result is rewarded the outer darkness.
 
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Assurance is a bonus. It is an effect. The cause is what we do.

2Ti_1:12 For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.
 
12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling

That word means to accomplish by work. Nowhere in the Text is it translated "work out" other than in this verse. Let's ask @LightBearer316 to do some work on it with AI. It'll be an interesting exercise.
 
Matthew 25 is Jesus giving imagery to the Kingdom of Heaven and during the Parable of the Talents He explains 3 types of works and rewards. However, the last example of the man burying the talent instead of investing it he ends up in outer darkness.

Jesus explains how works are an investment in the rewards one can receive in Heaven.

But the man who is one of the workers for the Master chooses to bury and do nothing and as result is rewarded the outer darkness.
Actually the scenario is far more pernicious than an example of mere laziness.
The man who chooses to bury the talent is the one who knows the gospel message to be true, yet intentionally hides it so that salvation does not extend to humanity, thwarting the plan of God. He loathes God (thinks that He is unfair and therefore evil too!) and His free gift of salvation and the imputation of righteousness that comes with it.

This person is the embodiment of several "types", and ultimately this person is a "type" of Satan and the A/C.
 
That word means to accomplish by work. Nowhere in the Text is it translated "work out" other than in this verse. Let's ask @LightBearer316 to do some work on it with AI. It'll be an interesting exercise.
Lexical Summary
katergazomai: To work out, to accomplish, to produce, to bring about
Original Word: κατεργάζομαι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: katergazomai
Pronunciation: kat-er-GAD-zom-ahee
Phonetic Spelling: (kat-er-gad'-zom-ahee)
KJV: cause, to (deed), perform, work (out)
NASB: doing, brings about, produced, produces, producing, accomplished, carried
Word Origin: [from G2596 (κατά - according) and G2038 (ἐργάζομαι - To work)]

1. to work fully, i.e. accomplish
2. (by implication) to finish, fashion

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
produce, perform, work out.
From kata and ergazomai; to work fully, i.e. Accomplish; by implication, to finish, fashion -- cause, to (deed), perform, work (out).

see GREEK kata

see GREEK ergazomai

HELPS Word-studies
2716 katergázomai (from 2596 /katá, "down, exactly according to," intensifying 2038 /ergázomai, "work, accomplish") – literally, "work down to the end-point," i.e. to an exact, definite conclusion (note the prefix, 2596 /katá); bring to decisive finality (end-conclusion).
 
Lexical Summary
katergazomai: To work out, to accomplish, to produce, to bring about
Original Word: κατεργάζομαι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: katergazomai
Pronunciation: kat-er-GAD-zom-ahee
Phonetic Spelling: (kat-er-gad'-zom-ahee)
KJV: cause, to (deed), perform, work (out)
NASB: doing, brings about, produced, produces, producing, accomplished, carried
Word Origin: [from G2596 (κατά - according) and G2038 (ἐργάζομαι - To work)]

1. to work fully, i.e. accomplish
2. (by implication) to finish, fashion

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
produce, perform, work out.
From kata and ergazomai; to work fully, i.e. Accomplish; by implication, to finish, fashion -- cause, to (deed), perform, work (out).

see GREEK kata

see GREEK ergazomai

HELPS Word-studies
2716 katergázomai (from 2596 /katá, "down, exactly according to," intensifying 2038 /ergázomai, "work, accomplish") – literally, "work down to the end-point," i.e. to an exact, definite conclusion (note the prefix, 2596 /katá); bring to decisive finality (end-conclusion).

Thanks!

Where's the Lexical Summary come from?

My brief research this round shows "work out" first shows up in the 1611 KJV. Earlier English versions - Wycliff and Tyndale - use "work". Earlier Latin works also speak of "work". The gloss "work out" seems to be clearly driven by post-Reformation theology with its battle against "works".

Then, one of the issues with our Lexicons is that they can become theologically leaning and even driven by earlier translations history.

IMO which I've held for quite some time having done work like the above, "work out" is just not good translation. It's also a very ambiguous phrase today.

If we run the definition of "energeō" from Phil2:13 and compare it to the command Paul gives to "katergazomi" our salvation, we get more of the full picture of how we do with God what Paul's commanding here.

One other note; the HELPS reference you provided shows how katergazomai is a compound word made of 2 Greek words. This compounding normally intensifies the root word which in this case is "ergazomai" = work, and the sense of which is to "work to accomplish". Intensifying this as I read it is to focus it on the accomplishment, so rather than "work to accomplish" we have "accomplish by work" - so it's a command to finish which Paul gets into in Phil3 and elsewhere.

This of course seems to horrify the strict Reformation group. For those of us who just desire to let God's Word teach us, no horror involved and work as commanded.
 
Thanks!

Where's the Lexical Summary come from?

My brief research this round shows "work out" first shows up in the 1611 KJV. Earlier English versions - Wycliff and Tyndale - use "work". Earlier Latin works also speak of "work". The gloss "work out" seems to be clearly driven by post-Reformation theology with its battle against "works".

Then, one of the issues with our Lexicons is that they can become theologically leaning and even driven by earlier translations history.

IMO which I've held for quite some time having done work like the above, "work out" is just not good translation. It's also a very ambiguous phrase today.

If we run the definition of "energeō" from Phil2:13 and compare it to the command Paul gives to "katergazomi" our salvation, we get more of the full picture of how we do with God what Paul's commanding here.

One other note; the HELPS reference you provided shows how katergazomai is a compound word made of 2 Greek words. This compounding normally intensifies the root word which in this case is "ergazomai" = work, and the sense of which is to "work to accomplish". Intensifying this as I read it is to focus it on the accomplishment, so rather than "work to accomplish" we have "accomplish by work" - so it's a command to finish which Paul gets into in Phil3 and elsewhere.

This of course seems to horrify the strict Reformation group. For those of us who just desire to let God's Word teach us, no horror involved and work as commanded.
https://biblehub.com/lexicon/philippians/2-12.htm

NASB Lexicon is all that I have available online.
I thought that BDAG was you preferential go-to? Can't remember.
 
https://biblehub.com/lexicon/philippians/2-12.htm

NASB Lexicon is all that I have available online.
I thought that BDAG was you preferential go-to? Can't remember.

BDAG is my preference and the standard for the most part at this time and since 2000 or so. I have 10 Lexicons plus some other works on my system and compare up to all of them at times. At the end of it all, though, it needs to make sense in Scripture.

FWIW I've not found a version of BDAG online, but AI seems to have access to it. It likely has access to most eveything we have.
 
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12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling
Notice in Philippians 2:12 that Paul said to "work out" your salvation and NOT "work for" your salvation. When we "work out" at the gym, we exercise to develop our body that we already have and not to get a body. Farmers "work out" the land, not in order to get the land, but to develop the land they already have. The Greek verb rendered "work out" means "to continually work to bring something to completion or fruition." We do this by actively pursuing the process of ongoing sanctification, which is the result of being set apart for God's work and involves the process of being conformed to the image of Christ.

This conforming to Christ involves the work of the person, but it is still God working in the believer to produce more of a godly character and life in the person who has already been justified by faith. In verse 13, Paul goes on to say, "for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure." Ongoing sanctification has no bearing on justification. That is, even if we don't live a sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolute perfect life 100% of the time (which we won't) we are still justified by faith in Christ. (Romans 5:1) Where justification is a legal declaration that is instantaneous, ongoing sanctification is a process.

In regard to "fear and trembling," it pertains to a healthy fear of offending God through disobedience and a righteous awe and respect or reverence for Him. (Proverbs 1:7; Psalm 2:11; Psalm 34:9; Isaiah 66:2) Not fear of God as if He is an unloving tyrant. Paul uses the same phrase "fear and trembling" in 2 Corinthians 7:15 in which he refers to Titus as being encouraged by the reception of him by the Corinthians "with fear and trembling," that is, with humility and respect for his position as a minister of Jesus Christ. In 1 Corinthians 2:3, we see that Paul himself came to the Corinthian church in "weakness and fear, and with much trembling" in regard to the huge responsibility and critical importance of the work in which he was engaged.
 
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Actually the scenario is far more pernicious than an example of mere laziness.
The man who chooses to bury the talent is the one who knows the gospel message to be true, yet intentionally hides it so that salvation does not extend to humanity, thwarting the plan of God. He loathes God (thinks that He is unfair and therefore evil too!) and His free gift of salvation and the imputation of righteousness that comes with it.

This person is the embodiment of several "types", and ultimately this person is a "type" of Satan and the A/C.

Amen!
 
Notice in Philippians 2:12 that Paul said to "work out" your salvation and NOT "work for" your salvation. When we "work out" at the gym, we exercise to develop our body that we already have and not to get a body. Farmers "work out" the land, not in order to get the land, but to develop the land they already have. The Greek verb rendered "work out" means "to continually work to bring something to completion or fruition." We do this by actively pursuing the process of ongoing sanctification, which is the result of being set apart for God's work and involves the process of being conformed to the image of Christ.

This conforming to Christ involves the work of the person, but it is still God working in the believer to produce more of a godly character and life in the person who has already been justified by faith. In verse 13, Paul goes on to say, "for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure." Ongoing sanctification has no bearing on justification. That is, even if we don't live a sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolute perfect life 100% of the time (which we won't) we are still justified by faith in Christ. (Romans 5:1) Where justification is a legal declaration that is instantaneous, ongoing sanctification is a process.

In regard to "fear and trembling," it pertains to a healthy fear of offending God through disobedience and a righteous awe and respect or reverence for Him. (Proverbs 1:7; Psalm 2:11; Psalm 34:9; Isaiah 66:2) Not fear of God as if He is an unloving tyrant. Paul uses the same phrase "fear and trembling" in 2 Corinthians 7:15 in which he refers to Titus as being encouraged by the reception of him by the Corinthians "with fear and trembling," that is, with humility and respect for his position as a minister of Jesus Christ. In 1 Corinthians 2:3, we see that Paul himself came to the Corinthian church in "weakness and fear, and with much trembling" in regard to the huge responsibility and critical importance of the work in which he was engaged.
Yes, the Verse means you are saved now be diligent about making Godly choices, do the Will of God always, live according to how Believers lived we read in the Scriptures, it means live a Godly life not a life where you think you are saved so you can live like the devil and it won't cost you.
 
Perfect means matured. Yes we can mature in the faith.

1 John 5:13 says we can know we have eternal life. While there are those who are falsely assured, that doesn't negate the truth of scripture. Those in Matthew 7:21-23 no doubt thought they were secure and were not. Again, doesn't mean one cannot know.
If one cannot know if their assurance is possibly false then true assurance cannot exist.
 
Notice in Philippians 2:12 that Paul said to "work out" your salvation and NOT "work for" your salvation. When we "work out" at the gym, we exercise to develop our body that we already have and not to get a body. Farmers "work out" the land, not in order to get the land, but to develop the land they already have. The Greek verb rendered "work out" means "to continually work to bring something to completion or fruition." We do this by actively pursuing the process of ongoing sanctification, which is the result of being set apart for God's work and involves the process of being conformed to the image of Christ.

This conforming to Christ involves the work of the person, but it is still God working in the believer to produce more of a godly character and life in the person who has already been justified by faith. In verse 13, Paul goes on to say, "for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure." Ongoing sanctification has no bearing on justification. That is, even if we don't live a sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolute perfect life 100% of the time (which we won't) we are still justified by faith in Christ. (Romans 5:1) Where justification is a legal declaration that is instantaneous, ongoing sanctification is a process.

In regard to "fear and trembling," it pertains to a healthy fear of offending God through disobedience and a righteous awe and respect or reverence for Him. (Proverbs 1:7; Psalm 2:11; Psalm 34:9; Isaiah 66:2) Not fear of God as if He is an unloving tyrant. Paul uses the same phrase "fear and trembling" in 2 Corinthians 7:15 in which he refers to Titus as being encouraged by the reception of him by the Corinthians "with fear and trembling," that is, with humility and respect for his position as a minister of Jesus Christ. In 1 Corinthians 2:3, we see that Paul himself came to the Corinthian church in "weakness and fear, and with much trembling" in regard to the huge responsibility and critical importance of the work in which he was engaged.
“This conforming to Christ involves the work of the person,

but it is still God working in the believer to produce more of a godly character and life in the person who has already been justified by faith. “

do they need to do thier part ? For instance

“Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation. Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:37-41‬ ‭KJV‬‬

did they need to repent and get baptized in response to what the apostle just told them they needed to do when they asked after hearing his summary of the gospel ?

air should they have said “ we don’t need to do anything baptism is a work it has nothing to do with remission of sins in his name we’re saved because we’re chosen and don’t need to do what Gods apostle says to do ? “

Or is thier part to hear what’s being said and believe and act upon those things they are told to do because they believe what was said ?


Some folks think “ because I believe Jesus died and rose now I don’t need to do anything he said I need to do that’s “ works “ and trying to “ save myself “ if I think I should hear what he said to do and actually do it because I Believe him .

But that’s actually what faith is . To hear Gods word bekieve and then act upon what he said to you because you believe the promise that’s always attached to what he says

noah heard Gods word to him about the flood then he acted upon what was said about the ark because he believed Gods word was true and doing what God said to do would save him he believed and acted and was saved by grace and through faith but Noah obeyed the lord when God told him what to do to be saved

“By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

faith is always about 1 hearing Gods word and 2 believing it so we will 3 act upon it and be saved

“Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only,

deceiving your own selves.”
‭‭James‬ ‭1:21-22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

just hearing and thinking it’s true can deceive us but faith believes and will always act upon the true belief like Noah just believing Gods word about the flood coming wouldn’t have saved him but believing also what God told him to do that would save him and his family and acting upon that belief this was saving faith just simply listening to what God said would save him and his family and accepting that it was true ….. so of course a father is going to obey Gods instructions and save his family he believes if he built the ark God would save them as he promised him .

imagine how Noah’s story would be if he said “ I believe in you lord I don’t actually need to do what you are telling me will save me I have faith instead praise you I’m saved lord but I’m not actually going to build the ark that’s a work of my own and , I would be saving myself if I obey you so I’ll just believe in you that you exist and and be saved my way “


I wonder if the story would be the same if Noah heard but never acted and obeyed Gods word ? Would that faith have saved him or would he drown because he disobeyed a word meant to save him from death ?

Paul’s actually talking about obedience to the gospel in that section He literally is telling them “ you’ve always been obedient in my presence and out of it but now even moreso work out your own salvation with fear and with trembling before God “

The goal is for us to be obedient to the word of Christ Jesus the goal of everything they are preaching Paul states this

“For I will not dare to speak of any of those things which Christ hath not wrought by me, to make the Gentiles obedient, by word and deed, through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭15:18-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Ultimately it’s in all of his epistles The warnings of what we are actually doing our actions before God and not simply whether we say” I believe “ he had in the same letter taught them this

God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.

But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:6-8‬ ‭NIV‬‬


That’s why it’s important for them to become obedient to the gospel ( not Moses law but Jesus teachings in the gospel ) because we all have to be judged for all we have done and said and so all of his judgements in the gospel will never change they are eternal will outlast heaven and earth

when we learn what he’s teaching it comes down to how we actually treat other people in life that we interact with . It of course has many aspects like our minds and how we think and see other people but ultimately that’s why we are meant to hear the gospel and believe he changes how we look at other people and how to treat them correctly in Gods love and in Jesus name.

We’re all imperfect and we’re lost but Jesus has made a way for sinners to be redeemed from condemnation and eventual death through his sacrifice and his word and of course his living and eternal spirit who comes to be with our spirit and lead us home in all truth .

some sinners will hear Jesus believe and follow after him imperfectly of course but true of heart and ever hanging on and others will reject that path because it’s actually one of sacrifice , and instead live for the world and thier own pleasures and own judgements between good and evil rather than Gods.

the thing is to go actually hear what it was that Jesus the lord said when he walked among mankind in the gospel he said a lot but mature Christian’s should know everything he taught repetetively and believe that way of thought about salvation


The gospel both makes a new believer confident jesus loves them and is going to save them and never forsake them …and also makes a maturing believer move forward into action and doesn’t allow them to remain dormant and sleeping but calls them forth to life and action before it’s too late