Assurance of Salvation

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TrustandObey said:
Regardless of what you think about the validity of the Mormon faith, this is about their assurance in it.

Whatever Joseph Smith added to 1st Corinthians is moot, they believe it. Their assurance is extreme, well beyond most other groups and on par with Muslims.

They are both assured of the soundness in their ultimate outcome as well as yours if you do not convert.

Their mentality is no different than many posting here.
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Their confidence is rooted in their false religion and not in the promises of God. (Romans 8:16; 1 John 5:13)
 
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LightBearer316 said:
A healthy Christian walk holds both assurance and reverence together. Scripture clearly teaches that believers can know they are saved — not because of what we’ve done, but because of what Christ has finished.

“These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life.” (1 John 5:13)​
“He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation.” (John 5:24)​

This is the confidence of the first group — resting in the finished work of Christ. We’re not saved by doing enough, but by trusting in the One who did it all (Ephesians 2:8–9).

Yet Scripture also calls us to live with a reverent fear — not fear of losing salvation, but fear of taking grace lightly.

“Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.” (Philippians 2:12)​
“Pass the time of your sojourning here in fear.” (1 Peter 1:17)​
That’s the heart of the second group — humility before a holy God, desiring to live worthy of His grace (Titus 2:11–12).

So the truth isn’t either/or — it’s both.
A true believer can rest in full assurance of salvation through Christ, while still walking in reverence, gratitude, and obedience.

“Let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear.” (Hebrews 12:28)​
Confidence without reverence breeds arrogance.
Reverence without confidence breeds doubt.
But confidence in Christ and reverence before God—that’s biblical assurance.

Grace and peace in Him.
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Is there such a thing as false believer?
 
TrustandObey said:
Whatever Joseph Smith added to 1st Corinthians is moot, they believe it. Their assurance is extreme, well beyond most other groups and on par with Muslims.
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Muslims have zero assurance of salvation. Islamic tradition holds that Muhammad, like all other Muslims,
was not certain of his own salvation. He stated that he did not know what Allah would do with him or others,
and that he was commanded to say that he was not an exception among other messengers.
 
Mem said:
A Bible scholar with a background in Hebrew and Greek language studies pointed out an idiosyncrasy of Hebrews 1:2's wording that more precisely translates as 'Hath in these last days spoken unto us in Son..." as the idea with Son as a language. And, in learning to understand that 'language,' and so I can more perfectly understand the language of 1John5:20 and Rom 8:14-16.
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And then add Prov1:23 and note that His words are equated with His Spirit and we thus have this triunity re: what He says.
 
mailmandan said:
Their confidence is rooted in their false religion and not in the promises of God. (Romans 8:16; 1 John 5:13)
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This is not about theology but claims of personal assurance.

They can and do say the same thing about your assurance. They also use the same verses.

On the issue of personal assurance, you have no more clarity of reason than they have.
 
Lamar said:
This is not about theology but claims of personal assurance.

They can and do say the same thing about your assurance. They also use the same verses.

On the issue of personal assurance, you have no more clarity of reason than they have.
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To the contrary, I have God's word to back up my personal assurance. (Romans 8:16; 1 John 5:13) They have unbiblical doctrines to backup their misguided confidence.
 
Magenta said:
Muslims have zero assurance of salvation. Islamic tradition holds that Muhammad, like all other Muslims,
was not certain of his own salvation. He stated that he did not know what Allah would do with him or others,
and that he was commanded to say that he was not an exception among other messengers.
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I think you are missing the point.

Regardless of if the Quran does or does not promise assurance, many do believe it does. It is this assurance (true or false) that is the issue.

Muslims who blow themselves and others up do this with the assurance of 72 virgins. Whether or not they are now enjoying themselves is not the point.

There is no need to debate the theology of Mormonism or Islam. This is a red herring.

They believed that they were in a place of personal assurance. Period.
 
mailmandan said:
To the contrary, I have God's word to back up my personal assurance. (Romans 8:16; 1 John 5:13) They have unbiblical doctrines to backup their misguided confidence.
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Okay.

We are just going in circles.

Thanks.
 
Lamar said:
I think you are missing the point.
Regardless of if the Quran does or does not promise assurance, many do believe it does. It is this assurance (true or false) that is the issue.
Muslims who blow themselves and others up do this with the assurance of 72 virgins. Whether or not they are now enjoying themselves is not the point.
There is no need to debate the theology of Mormonism or Islam. This is a red herring.
They believed that they were in a place of personal assurance. Period.
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No, I am not missing the point to correct error. Period.
 
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I never miss the days when I was in the CoC and lived in fear that I had not done enough good or done too much bad and would miss out on eternal life. Now I no longer have that fear:

"I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life." - 1 John 5:13 ESV
 
mailmandan said:
You get it. Misguided confidence based on unbiblical sources is not the same as divine assurance based on God's word. ✝️
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Everyone assumes their "divine assurance" is based on God's word.

That includes you.
 
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