From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be Free.................

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What's ironic is that you yourself fall into this category. I was just praying about this. What makes a man like yourself, who appears to be doctrinally sound overall, get it so wrong in other things? You imply other Christians are worldly, which many indeed are, without being able to see that you yourself carnalize the spiritual, and spiritualize the carnal in this matter. You have knowledge, albeit incomplete due to your own biases, but have no understanding, which is the light that puts all of the pieces of knowledge together into a coherent whole that illuminates the whole body. Instead of humbling yourself and prayerfully considering the possibility that you might be wrong, you will be indignant, scoff, and justify yourself with a denigrating self-righteous comment towards me. It's baked in; you can't avoid it with your current self-assured attitude.
We will see. If Israel gets destroyed, then I will agree that I have misinterpreted God's word. If Israel prevails, I think you will need to revisit your thoughts on the issue.
 
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We will see. If Israel gets destroyed, then I will agree that I have misinterpreted God's word. If Israel prevails, I think you will need to revisit your thoughts on the issue.

We'll both be resurrected or translated before that happens IMO, so we can revisit it then. btw I appreciate the softer attitude. Bless you
 
We'll both be resurrected or translated before that happens IMO, so we can revisit it then. btw I appreciate the softer attitude. Bless you
The timeline revealed in God's word is something like this:

Israel restored, happened in 1948
Israel attacked by the surrounding nations. Also happened in 1948 and has continued until now.
Israel defeats the surrounding nations and enters a "golden age" of peace and prosperity.
Israel grows rich and complacent; lets down her guard (again).
Israel is attacked by nations far to the North. Many scholars believe the nations include Russia, Turkey and Iran. I don't know for sure.
Israel is overrun and almost defeated.
God intervenes and that is the end of the tribulation period and the present age.

This timeline is according to Ezekiel chapters 36, 37 and 38. Amos 1 describes the destruction of Gaza, which has been fulfilled recently. Ezekiel 38 is expanded upon in Revelation 20.

If Israel does not figure in God's plans then Romans 9, 10 and 11 are pointless. I have a solid foundation for my understanding. I'm not an expert like Amir Tsarfati, Jack Hibbs, Chuck Missler or a bunch of others. I do not believe in a separate salvation for the Jews, so I reject the ideas of John Hagee.
 
The occupiers/pretenders currently in control of the land will be completely destroyed as prophesied by scripture. We are witnessing Ezekiel 35, not 36.
 
I believe this thread and the israel thread has revealed more about the division among believers than the truths about modern Israel as it known.
Question is is that what we are called to do. Let's all check our hearts and minds ourselves and see if we're are in the mind of Christ.
Are our hearts aligned with God's to say he'd rather all to be saved.
Regardless of opinion or political reasoning we are called to bring the truth of the gospel message that repentance and salvation is offered to those who hear and believe. Only then will real peace be found. For jew as well as gentile.
Our mission has not changed but we have changed our mission.
Only in Christ can anyone be saved. The work of the father is to believe the son.
 
There is no redemption for those destined to be destroyed. And the time is upon us when these tares will be gathered together to be burned.

Isaiah 63:1-6
1 Who is this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this that is glorious in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength? I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save.

2 Wherefore art thou red in thine apparel, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winefat?

3 I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment.

4 For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come.

5 And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me.

6 And I will tread down the people in mine anger, and make them drunk in my fury, and I will bring down their strength to the earth.