ok fair play to you Dino, well i have included his will being put into person many times already. But I'll cover some more soon,
Just so we know where we stand I'll wait for you answer the last post first
Free will verses permissive will
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Just so we know where we stand I'll wait for you answer the last post first
No, I did not. Read my post again.
You assume too much!
The absence of a quotation from Scripture does not mean that my ideas are based on human reasoning.
And I answered.
Sorry I had to ask again as the last post made for mixed and matched with your quote.
Are you sure thought this through properly l.
Your saying God allows bad things to happen because people chose not to love him. How could be allowing bad things to happen. ?
So many scripture a
i could post right now.
But for now your last your answers are difficult for me to accept, because your answers are mostly solely based on human reasoning and dictionary meanings.
I asked can you leave his devine power out of his will ?
sure i asked can you leave divine power out of his will.
Im not saying you are im asking can you ?
Your question can be interpreted several ways. Can I leave divine power out? No, I have no authority over God. Can He leave power out of His will? That speculative as Scripture doesn't clearly tell us. Can He operate without exercising His full power? Certainly.
In conceptual terms, His will is distinct from His power, but His will is put into effect through exercise of His power.
While I can't find a specific verse stating that, it is consistent with the broad teaching of Scripture.
Well where back to John 1 again
In the begining was the word and the word was with God and the word became flesh.
Jesus said going preach preach the Gospel to corners of the earth, and here we see why
For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.
. Going back to the posts i never answered now, are you sure you where not using human reasoning
Romans 8:9
But you are not controlled by your sinful nature. You are controlled by the Spirit if you have the Spirit of God living in you. (And remember that those who do not have the Spirit of Christ living in them do not belong to him at all.)
What does it mean The spirit controls you, surly this means that the spirit goes against your will ? With Gods will ?
Same as this verse to which again has already been shown to you
Romans 8.5 niv
Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires.
Romans 8.5 niv
Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires.
Sàme as this verse
Romans 8:6-11
New Living Translation
7 For the sinful nature is always hostile to God. It never did obey God’s laws, and it never will. 8 That’s why those who are still under the control of their sinful nature can never please God.
9 But you are not controlled by your sinful nature. You are controlled by the Spirit if you have the Spirit of God living in you. (And remember that those who do not have the Spirit of Christ living in them do not belong to him at all.) 10 And Christ lives within you, so even though your body will die because of sin, the Spirit gives you life[a] because you have been made right with God. 11 The Spirit of God, who raised Jesus from the dead, lives in you. And just as God raised Christ Jesus from the dead, he will give life to your mortal bodies by this same Spirit living within you.
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Romans 8:6-11
New Living Translation
7 For the sinful nature is always hostile to God. It never did obey God’s laws, and it never will. 8 That’s why those who are still under the control of their sinful nature can never please God.
9 But you are not controlled by your sinful nature. You are controlled by the Spirit if you have the Spirit of God living in you. (And remember that those who do not have the Spirit of Christ living in them do not belong to him at all.) 10 And Christ lives within you, so even though your body will die because of sin, the Spirit gives you life[a] because you have been made right with God. 11 The Spirit of God, who raised Jesus from the dead, lives in you. And just as God raised Christ Jesus from the dead, he will give life to your mortal bodies by this same Spirit living within you.
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