The Error is Baptism in Jesus name only for salvation

[DJT_47]

You would baptize someone who has already been forgiven for the same reason Paul baptized the Philippian jailer who had already believed on the Lord Jesus Christ. An unsaved person is dead in trespasses and sins cannot obey commands like "Be baptized." "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved," said the apostles to the jailer. So I agree that water baptism does not lead one to Jesus, as you said. Water baptism is a sign that you have come to Jesus, that you are saved.

The previous poster to which you responded is in error. You aren't forgiven until you're baptized, because until you are baptized, you're still in sin, and sin separates you from God.

Mk16:15-16

15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Acts 2:38

38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22:16

16And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

 

[NightTwister]

Wherever the mode of baptism is alluded to in the bible, it is immersion. John baptised in the River Jordan; he didn't just take a pot of water and sprinkle people's foreheads with it. Then we have Philip baptising the Ethiopian:

“38 So he commanded the chariot to stand still. And both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water, and he baptized him. 39 Now when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught Philip away, so that the eunuch saw him no more; and he went on his way rejoicing.” (Ac 8:38-39 NKJV)

Was Philip also immersed? They both "came up out of the water."

And how could Paul talk of baptism as an illustration of being buried with Christ, if it was merely sprinkling?

Burial at the time was placing the body on a shelf inside a tomb. Only the poorest of the poor were buried in the ground.

“buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.” (Col 2:12 NKJV)

See above.

 

[DavidLamb]

Was Philip also immersed? They both "came up out of the water."

Burial at the time was placing the body on a shelf inside a tomb. Only the poorest of the poor were buried in the ground.

See above.

As I understand it, the person performing the baptism goes down into the water with the candidate in order to baptise him. When I was baptised, the pastor came down into the water with me, to enable him to immerse me and bring me up again. I imagine the same was true of Philip.

I knew that burial in that culture was not in the ground, but being put (immersed?) into a tomb. But neither burial in a tomb or in the ground could be likened to sprinkling with water.

 

[NightTwister]

As I understand it, the person performing the baptism goes down into the water with the candidate in order to baptise him. When I was baptised, the pastor came down into the water with me, to enable him to immerse me and bring me up again. I imagine the same was true of Philip.

I knew that burial in that culture was not in the ground, but being put (immersed?) into a tomb. But neither burial in a tomb or in the ground could be likened to sprinkling with water.

You're using "came up out of the water" as proof of immersion, but then saying only one of them was immersed. The burial reference refers to Jesus' death and resurrection, not the physical act of water baptism. Sprinkling, pouring (my preferred method) or immersion is irrelevant.

 

[DavidLamb]

You're using "came up out of the water" as proof of immersion, but then saying only one of them was immersed. The burial reference refers to Jesus' death and resurrection, not the physical act of water baptism. Sprinkling, pouring (my preferred method) or immersion is irrelevant.

If it was sprinkling or pouring, they would have need to go into the water.

 

[NightTwister]

If it was sprinkling or pouring, they would have need to go into the water.

No, but since they came upon a water source while traveling, that was the most convenient way.

 

[DJT_47]

No, but since they came upon a water source while traveling, that was the most convenient way.

Quite obvious Philip was most likely standing in the water while he immersed the eunuch

 

[NightTwister]

Quite obvious Philip was most likely standing in the water while he immersed the eunuch

It's not obvious at all unless you bring your preconceived ideas to the text.

 

[DJT_47]

It's not obvious at all unless you bring your preconceived ideas to the text.

So, you think Philip totally immersed himself, that he didn't just dunk the eunuch, but dunked the eunuch and also went totally underwater too? OK, Great if you think that, but it's kinda coo coo.

 

[Ouch]

It's not obvious at all unless you bring your preconceived ideas to the text.

Just after JESUS said this,

John 3:5
English Standard Version
5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

He did this.

John 3:22-36
English Standard Version
John the Baptist Exalts Christ
22 After this Jesus and his disciples went into the Judean countryside, and he remained there with them and was baptizing. 23 John also was baptizing at Aenon near Salim, because water was plentiful there, and people were coming and being baptized 24 (for John had not yet been put in prison).

Being immersed in water is symbolic of being buried with him because when we go under the water, CAN'T BREATH same when we are buried dirt.

 

[NightTwister]

So, you think Philip totally immersed himself, that he didn't just dunk the eunuch, but dunked the eunuch and also went totally underwater too? OK, Great if you think that, but it's kinda coo coo.

No, I think "came up out of the water" has nothing to do with immersion, but if you insist it means immersion, then you must apply it to both of them because the text says "they came up out of the water."

 

[NightTwister]

Being immersed in water is symbolic of being buried with him because when we go under the water, CAN'T BREATH same when we are buried dirt.

No, it's not symbolic of that. It's symbolic of the death and resurrection of Jesus.

 

[DJT_47]

No, I think "came up out of the water" has nothing to do with immersion, but if you insist it means immersion, then you must apply it to both of them because the text says "they came up out of the water."

Maybe both came walking out of the water, the eunuch after being immersed, baptized, and Philip after he immersed the eunuch. What is your point?

 

[NightTwister]

Maybe both came walking out of the water, the eunuch after being immersed, baptized, and Philip after he immersed the eunuch. What is your point?

Maybe they did, but the text doesn't say that. My point is you cannot use this verse to prove that that the baptism was by immersion.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

No, I think "came up out of the water" has nothing to do with immersion, but if you insist it means immersion, then you must apply it to both of them because the text says "they came up out of the water."

How can you baptize someone without being in the water with them?

 

[DJT_47]

member: 324732"]Maybe they did, but the text doesn't say that. My poi cannot use this verse to prove that that the baptism was by immersion.[/QUOTE]
Do you know what baptism, the Greek word means? The word doesn't need proving, it proves itself! Baptism is transliterated, not translated, from the Greek word 'baptizo', which means to dip, plunge, immerse.

 

[NightTwister]

member: 324732"]Maybe they did, but the text doesn't say that. My poi cannot use this verse to prove that that the baptism was by immersion.

Do you know what baptism, the Greek word means? The word doesn't need proving, it proves itself! Baptism is transliterated, not translated, from the Greek word 'baptizo', which means to dip, plunge, immerse.[/QUOTE]
And there it is. Whenever you don't like what the Bible says you go back to the Greek. It's a shame all of those Biblical scholars who translated the scriptures didn't understand Greek.

 

[Ouch]

No, it's not symbolic of that. It's symbolic of the death and resurrection of Jesus.

AMEN,

Romans 6,
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

 

[DJT_47]

Do you know what baptism, the Greek word means? The word doesn't need proving, it proves itself! Baptism is transliterated, not translated, from the Greek word 'baptizo', which means to dip, plunge, immerse.

And there it is. Whenever you don't like what the Bible says you go back to the Greek. It's a shame all of those Biblical scholars who translated the scriptures didn't understand Greek.[/QUOTE]

Yes, and there it is in plain simple English! To baptize in English means to dip, plunge, immerse. It doesn't mean sprinkle or pour, which are 2 totally different words which are not interchangeable. Yes, there it is! Go study.

 

[NightTwister]

And there it is. Whenever you don't like what the Bible says you go back to the Greek. It's a shame all of those Biblical scholars who translated the scriptures didn't understand Greek.

Yes, and there it is in plain simple English! To baptize in English means to dip, plunge, immerse. It doesn't mean sprinkle or pour, which are 2 totally different words which are not interchangeable. Yes, there it is! Go study.[/QUOTE]
It doesn't only mean that, but you do you. There's more to understanding the Bible than understanding individual word definitions. You should try some study yourself beyond word definitions.