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Faith is a gift of God.
(Romans 12:3) For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
(Hebrews 12:2) Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
(Ephesians 2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
(Ephesians 2:9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Romans 10:17
(Romans 10:17) So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Lol....who provides the Word of God? Who opens the eyes of the blind and gives them the understanding?
Why dont you wanna give all Glory to Him?
(Romans 12:3) For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
(Hebrews 12:2) Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
(Ephesians 2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
(Ephesians 2:9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Romans 10:17
(Romans 10:17) So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Lol....who provides the Word of God? Who opens the eyes of the blind and gives them the understanding?
Why dont you wanna give all Glory to Him?
I
Beloved of God, please give Him ALL of the glory. If NO man can pluck from the Father's hand, why then believe that Strangelove or ANYONE ELSE can remove THEMSELVES?
To all who reads, find comfort in these words. IT IS TO THE FATHER TO GIVE THE INCREASE! Not Israel, not Strangelove, and not Tobby, beloved.
We all have a measure of faith.
Jesus is the author and finisher of that faith.
And the Father WILL INDEED GIVE INCREASE TO ALL OF MANKIND!
W
Well since we have so many Calvinists on this site, who have been arguing that God predestined us before the world to be saved, and that God predestined others to go to Hell.. I thought i'd do a little research on John3:16.. And it says:..
*For God so loved the ELECT, that he gave his only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER has been PREDESTINED before the world to be SAVED, will not die but have everlasting life*
*For God so loved the ELECT, that he gave his only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER has been PREDESTINED before the world to be SAVED, will not die but have everlasting life*
You cant come to know God at all unless you use your faith and my response to scripture is, -- if you put your faith, that you say God gives you, into the devil, are you saying that is the gift of God as the scripture says?
Actually, you are misinterpreting the scriptures. God Gives you His Spirit only by your faith in Him that he will accomplish in you that what He says He will IF you have faith. He doesnt put that faith in you, you have to use what you have from the beginning else you will never know Him and be like Him, He in you and you in Him as one. Only then can you obtain His faith and have the same faith as He.
BTY, have you exercised that faith yet and are like Him and one with Him? If you havent, then I can see why you are confused about how God is forcing His will on you. Forcing His faith on you. If God forced it everyone would be like Him but they are not.
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Does not the bible also state that ALL of Israel will be saved also?
To say now that God is unable to save those HE CREATED is to say there is no resurrection from the dead.
Those who found the narrow way of life are those who in mind and understanding, have eternal life in them. they are those that only hear His voice indeed.
But beloved, what of the OTHER sheep that He must bring?
These are those that did not heed to His voice. These are the MANY that walked the path of destruction. They died "in their sins" so to speak.
They are made ONE FLOCK, however by death and the power of HIS resurrection. He will draw ALL men unto Himself.
To say now that God is unable to save those HE CREATED is to say there is no resurrection from the dead.
Those who found the narrow way of life are those who in mind and understanding, have eternal life in them. they are those that only hear His voice indeed.
But beloved, what of the OTHER sheep that He must bring?
These are those that did not heed to His voice. These are the MANY that walked the path of destruction. They died "in their sins" so to speak.
They are made ONE FLOCK, however by death and the power of HIS resurrection. He will draw ALL men unto Himself.
israel:
Jesus was ministering ONLY to the house of israel (with a few noteable exceptions). He went to His Own first.
you are using (misusing) a portion of a discussion (conflict) He was involved in with The Pharisees and apostate israelites. the flock He is describing to them is His ELECTION within Israel. He says His own will know His voice and recognize Him, and that He will save them.
He tells the others they ARE NOT HIS SHEEP. He is in the greater fold of Israel: which contains sheep that are His, and some that are NOT.
THE OTHER SHEEP He mentioned are THE ELECT GENTILES.
John 10
I Am the Good Shepherd
1“Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief and a robber. 2But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. 3To him the gatekeeper opens. The sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4When he has brought out all his own, he goes before them, and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. 5A stranger they will not follow, but they will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers.” 6This figure of speech Jesus used with them, but they did not understand what he was saying to them.
7So Jesus again said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. 8All who came before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them. 9I am the door. If anyone enters by me, he will be saved and will go in and out and find pasture. 10The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly. 11I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. 12He who is a hired hand and not a shepherd, who does not own the sheep, sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and flees, and the wolf snatches them and scatters them. 13He flees because he is a hired hand and cares nothing for the sheep. 14I am the good shepherd. I know my own and my own know me, 15just as the Father knows me and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd. 17For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life that I may take it up again. 18No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father.”
19There was again a division among the Jews because of these words. 20Many of them said, “He has a demon, and is insane; why listen to him?” 21Others said, “These are not the words of one who is oppressed by a demon. Can a demon open the eyes of the blind?”
Jesus NEVER taught universalism.
zone.
Jesus was ministering ONLY to the house of israel (with a few noteable exceptions). He went to His Own first.
you are using (misusing) a portion of a discussion (conflict) He was involved in with The Pharisees and apostate israelites. the flock He is describing to them is His ELECTION within Israel. He says His own will know His voice and recognize Him, and that He will save them.
He tells the others they ARE NOT HIS SHEEP. He is in the greater fold of Israel: which contains sheep that are His, and some that are NOT.
THE OTHER SHEEP He mentioned are THE ELECT GENTILES.
John 10
I Am the Good Shepherd
1“Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief and a robber. 2But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. 3To him the gatekeeper opens. The sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4When he has brought out all his own, he goes before them, and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. 5A stranger they will not follow, but they will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers.” 6This figure of speech Jesus used with them, but they did not understand what he was saying to them.
7So Jesus again said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. 8All who came before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them. 9I am the door. If anyone enters by me, he will be saved and will go in and out and find pasture. 10The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly. 11I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. 12He who is a hired hand and not a shepherd, who does not own the sheep, sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and flees, and the wolf snatches them and scatters them. 13He flees because he is a hired hand and cares nothing for the sheep. 14I am the good shepherd. I know my own and my own know me, 15just as the Father knows me and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd. 17For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life that I may take it up again. 18No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father.”
19There was again a division among the Jews because of these words. 20Many of them said, “He has a demon, and is insane; why listen to him?” 21Others said, “These are not the words of one who is oppressed by a demon. Can a demon open the eyes of the blind?”
Jesus NEVER taught universalism.
zone.
God has faith?
Word of Faith Sayings
Compiled by Jim Fox
This is a synopsis of statements made by the major Word Faith teachers; after each statement, you will find the source material listed so that you can read or hear the exact quote for yourself. It has been my intent to paraphrase these teachers as exactly as possible for the purpose of allowing you, the reader, to get an overview, or the 'big picture' if you will of the Word Faith movement.
KENNETH COPELAND
Faith is a Force (like Star Wars).
(Spirit, Soul and Body, #01-0601, Tape #1)
God did not create the world out of nothing, He used the Force of His Faith.
(Spirit, Soul and Body, #01-0601, Tape #1)
Earth is a copy of the mother planet (Heaven).
(Following the Faith of Abraham, Tape #01-3001)
God's reason for creating Adam was to reproduce Himself.
(Following the Faith of Abraham, Tape #01-3001)
Adam was not subordinate to God.
(Following the Faith of Abraham, Tape #01-3001)
God and Adam looked exactly alike.
(The Authority of the Believer IV; Tape #01-0304)
Jesus and Adam looked, acted, and sounded exactly alike.
All of God's attributes and abilities were invested in Adam.
(The Authority of the Believer IV; Tape #01-0304)
Adam was God manifested in the flesh.
(Following the Faith of Abraham, Tape #01-3001)
God made Adam the God of the earth.
(Following the Faith of Abraham; Tape #01-3001)
When Adam originally sinned he gave his god nature to Satan.
God could not intervene since He had made Adam the god of the earth. God was left on the outside looking in.
(Following the Faith of Abraham; Tape #01-3001)
God is approximately 6'2" to 6'3" tall.
(Spirit, Soul, and Body; Tape #01-0601)
God weighs approximately 200 lbs.
(Spirit, Soul, and Body; Tape #01-0601)
Jesus existed only as an image in the heart of God, until such time as the prophets of the Old Testament could positively confess Jesus into existence through their constant prophecies.
(The Power of the Tongue, pp. 8-10)
Jesus death on the cross was not enough to save us.
(What Happened From the Cross to the Throne, Tape #00-0303)
(Believer's Voice of Victory, September 1991)
(Doctrinal Statement dated March 12, 1979)
Jesus took on the nature of Satan when He was on the cross. (Jesus lost His divine nature).
(What Happened From the Cross to the Throne, Tape #00-0303)
(Classic Redemption, p.13)
Jesus was dragged down into the bowels of Hell where He was beaten and bruised by Satan and his demons until Jesus could finally fight His way out of Hell 3 days later.
(Believer's Voice of Victory, September 11, 1991)
(Classic Redemption, p.13)
Jesus was born-again.
(Substitution and Identification)
Every Christian is a god.
(Force of Love; Tape #02-0028)
(Believer's Voice of Victory, broadcast July 9, 1987)
There is a god class of beings.
(Force of Love; Tape #02-0028)
(Praise the Lord broadcast (TBN), recorded 2/5/86)
When we use the spiritual laws that God has set up, God must obey what we request.
God traveled to earth in a space ship called light.
Satan wanted God to interject Himself into the world, which would be illegal, then Satan could turn God's light out.
(What Happened From the Cross to the Throne, Tape #00-0303)
Adam lost the innate ability to create at the fall.
Any O.T. prophet could have attoned for our sins if they knew what Jesus knew.
(Substitution and Identification)
The (eternal) Abrahamic Covenant came to an end when Jesus died on the cross.
(What Happened From the Cross to the Throne, Tape #00-0303)
Jesus has a beginning and an end.
(What Happened From the Cross to the Throne, Tape #00-0303)
Jesus has not remained the same, he has changed.
(What Happened From the Cross to the Throne, Tape #00-0303)
The plan of redemption BEGAN when Jesus said "It is FINISHED".
(Classic Redemption, p.13)
Jesus was reborn in the pits of hell.
(What Happened From the Cross to the Throne, Tape #00-0303)
Jesus is in a higher position now than before He died on the cross.
(What Happened From the Cross to the Throne, Tape #00-0303)
The biggest failure in the whole Bible is God.
(Praise-a-thon, (TBN) recorded 1988
BENNY HINN
God has 9 parts (tri-theistic). A. God has a body, soul and spirit. B. Jesus has a body, soul and spirit. C. Holy Spirit has a body, soul and spirit.
(Benny Hinn broadcast, recorded 10/13/90)
Christians are little messiahs.
Christians are little gods.
(Praise-a-thon (TBN), recorded November 1990)
(Our position in Christ, Tape #AO31190-1)
Jesus at His death became one with Satan.
(Benny Hinn broadcast, recorded 12/15/90)
Poverty comes from Hell.
Prosperity comes from Heaven.
Adam had complete dominion over the earth and all it contains. A. Adam could fly like a bird. B. Adam could swim underwater and breathe like a fish.
Adam went to the moon.
Adam walked on water.
Adam was a super being, He was the first superman that lived.
Adam had dominion over the sun, moon & stars.
Christians do not have Christ in their hearts.
Sow a big seed, when you confess it, you are activating the supernatural forces of God.
(Praise-a-thon (TBN), recorded November 1990)
When you don't give money, it shows that you have the devil's nature.
(Praise-a-thon (TBN), recorded 4/21/91)
Wants to use Holy Ghost machine gun to kill Heresy Hunters.
(Praise-a-thon (TBN), 11/8/90)
PAUL CROUCH
Christians are little gods.
(Praise the Lord (TBN), redorded 7/7/86)
God draws no distinction between Himself and us.
God opens up the union of the very godhead (Trinity), and brings us into it.
(Praise-a-thon (TBN), November 1990)
Paul Crouch will shoot heresy hunters (theology) if God doesn't
(Praise-a-thon (TBN), 4/2/91)
Heresy hunters (theology) are to go to Hell.
(Praise-a-thon (TBN), 4/2/91)
Does not want to see the ugly faces of heresy hunters (theology).
(Praise-a-thon (TBN), 4/2/91)
JOHN AVANZINI
Jesus had an expensive ministry.
(Praise the Lord (TBN), 9/15/88)
That cross proved a 3-fold dimension of redemption.
(Praise the Lord (TBN), 9/15/88)
30, 60, 100 fold
(Believer's Voice of Victory, (TBN) 3/7/91)
Jesus had a nice house, a big house.
(Believer's Voice of Victory, (TBN) 1/20/91)
Jesus wore designer clothes.
(Believer's Voice of Victory, (TBN) 1/20/91)
Paul had the kind of money that could stop up justice.
(Believer's Voice of Victory, (TBN) 1/20/91)
If you have a treasurer, that means you have a lot of money.
(Praise the Lord (TBN), 9/15/88)
Jesus was handling big money.
(Praise the Lord (TBN), 9/15/88)
KENNETH HAGIN
We (the church) are Christ.
(As Christ is -- So are we, Tape #44H06)
Christ's physical death on the cross was not enough to save us.
(How Jesus obtained His Name, Tape 44H01"
Jesus tasted spiritual death.
(How Jesus obtained His Name, Tape 44H01"
ROBERT TILTON
Being poor is a sin.
(Success in Life, recorded 12/2/90)
Forget your church.
(Success in Life, recorded 3/4/91)
The only time people were poor in the Bible is when they were under a curse.
(Success in Life, recorded 12/2/90)
Do not say "Lord if it be thy will".
(Success in Life, recorded 12/14/91)
FRED PRICE
You can have what you say.
(Praise the Lord (TBN), 9/21/90)
You can't glorify God if you are sick.
(Is God Glorified Through Sickness?, Tape #FP605)
Man has made God violate His own word.
Have a "Rolls Royce" Faith.
(Praise the Lord (TBN), 9/21/90)
God has displeasure in poverty.
(Ever Increasing Faith, recorded 11/16/90)
Jesus and the disciples were rich, only rich people could take off for 3.5 years.
(Ever Increasing Faith, recorded 11/23/90)
Word of Faith Sayings
Word of Faith Sayings
Compiled by Jim Fox
This is a synopsis of statements made by the major Word Faith teachers; after each statement, you will find the source material listed so that you can read or hear the exact quote for yourself. It has been my intent to paraphrase these teachers as exactly as possible for the purpose of allowing you, the reader, to get an overview, or the 'big picture' if you will of the Word Faith movement.
KENNETH COPELAND
Faith is a Force (like Star Wars).
(Spirit, Soul and Body, #01-0601, Tape #1)
God did not create the world out of nothing, He used the Force of His Faith.
(Spirit, Soul and Body, #01-0601, Tape #1)
Earth is a copy of the mother planet (Heaven).
(Following the Faith of Abraham, Tape #01-3001)
God's reason for creating Adam was to reproduce Himself.
(Following the Faith of Abraham, Tape #01-3001)
Adam was not subordinate to God.
(Following the Faith of Abraham, Tape #01-3001)
God and Adam looked exactly alike.
(The Authority of the Believer IV; Tape #01-0304)
Jesus and Adam looked, acted, and sounded exactly alike.
All of God's attributes and abilities were invested in Adam.
(The Authority of the Believer IV; Tape #01-0304)
Adam was God manifested in the flesh.
(Following the Faith of Abraham, Tape #01-3001)
God made Adam the God of the earth.
(Following the Faith of Abraham; Tape #01-3001)
When Adam originally sinned he gave his god nature to Satan.
God could not intervene since He had made Adam the god of the earth. God was left on the outside looking in.
(Following the Faith of Abraham; Tape #01-3001)
God is approximately 6'2" to 6'3" tall.
(Spirit, Soul, and Body; Tape #01-0601)
God weighs approximately 200 lbs.
(Spirit, Soul, and Body; Tape #01-0601)
Jesus existed only as an image in the heart of God, until such time as the prophets of the Old Testament could positively confess Jesus into existence through their constant prophecies.
(The Power of the Tongue, pp. 8-10)
Jesus death on the cross was not enough to save us.
(What Happened From the Cross to the Throne, Tape #00-0303)
(Believer's Voice of Victory, September 1991)
(Doctrinal Statement dated March 12, 1979)
Jesus took on the nature of Satan when He was on the cross. (Jesus lost His divine nature).
(What Happened From the Cross to the Throne, Tape #00-0303)
(Classic Redemption, p.13)
Jesus was dragged down into the bowels of Hell where He was beaten and bruised by Satan and his demons until Jesus could finally fight His way out of Hell 3 days later.
(Believer's Voice of Victory, September 11, 1991)
(Classic Redemption, p.13)
Jesus was born-again.
(Substitution and Identification)
Every Christian is a god.
(Force of Love; Tape #02-0028)
(Believer's Voice of Victory, broadcast July 9, 1987)
There is a god class of beings.
(Force of Love; Tape #02-0028)
(Praise the Lord broadcast (TBN), recorded 2/5/86)
When we use the spiritual laws that God has set up, God must obey what we request.
God traveled to earth in a space ship called light.
Satan wanted God to interject Himself into the world, which would be illegal, then Satan could turn God's light out.
(What Happened From the Cross to the Throne, Tape #00-0303)
Adam lost the innate ability to create at the fall.
Any O.T. prophet could have attoned for our sins if they knew what Jesus knew.
(Substitution and Identification)
The (eternal) Abrahamic Covenant came to an end when Jesus died on the cross.
(What Happened From the Cross to the Throne, Tape #00-0303)
Jesus has a beginning and an end.
(What Happened From the Cross to the Throne, Tape #00-0303)
Jesus has not remained the same, he has changed.
(What Happened From the Cross to the Throne, Tape #00-0303)
The plan of redemption BEGAN when Jesus said "It is FINISHED".
(Classic Redemption, p.13)
Jesus was reborn in the pits of hell.
(What Happened From the Cross to the Throne, Tape #00-0303)
Jesus is in a higher position now than before He died on the cross.
(What Happened From the Cross to the Throne, Tape #00-0303)
The biggest failure in the whole Bible is God.
(Praise-a-thon, (TBN) recorded 1988
BENNY HINN
God has 9 parts (tri-theistic). A. God has a body, soul and spirit. B. Jesus has a body, soul and spirit. C. Holy Spirit has a body, soul and spirit.
(Benny Hinn broadcast, recorded 10/13/90)
Christians are little messiahs.
Christians are little gods.
(Praise-a-thon (TBN), recorded November 1990)
(Our position in Christ, Tape #AO31190-1)
Jesus at His death became one with Satan.
(Benny Hinn broadcast, recorded 12/15/90)
Poverty comes from Hell.
Prosperity comes from Heaven.
Adam had complete dominion over the earth and all it contains. A. Adam could fly like a bird. B. Adam could swim underwater and breathe like a fish.
Adam went to the moon.
Adam walked on water.
Adam was a super being, He was the first superman that lived.
Adam had dominion over the sun, moon & stars.
Christians do not have Christ in their hearts.
Sow a big seed, when you confess it, you are activating the supernatural forces of God.
(Praise-a-thon (TBN), recorded November 1990)
When you don't give money, it shows that you have the devil's nature.
(Praise-a-thon (TBN), recorded 4/21/91)
Wants to use Holy Ghost machine gun to kill Heresy Hunters.
(Praise-a-thon (TBN), 11/8/90)
PAUL CROUCH
Christians are little gods.
(Praise the Lord (TBN), redorded 7/7/86)
God draws no distinction between Himself and us.
God opens up the union of the very godhead (Trinity), and brings us into it.
(Praise-a-thon (TBN), November 1990)
Paul Crouch will shoot heresy hunters (theology) if God doesn't
(Praise-a-thon (TBN), 4/2/91)
Heresy hunters (theology) are to go to Hell.
(Praise-a-thon (TBN), 4/2/91)
Does not want to see the ugly faces of heresy hunters (theology).
(Praise-a-thon (TBN), 4/2/91)
JOHN AVANZINI
Jesus had an expensive ministry.
(Praise the Lord (TBN), 9/15/88)
That cross proved a 3-fold dimension of redemption.
(Praise the Lord (TBN), 9/15/88)
30, 60, 100 fold
(Believer's Voice of Victory, (TBN) 3/7/91)
Jesus had a nice house, a big house.
(Believer's Voice of Victory, (TBN) 1/20/91)
Jesus wore designer clothes.
(Believer's Voice of Victory, (TBN) 1/20/91)
Paul had the kind of money that could stop up justice.
(Believer's Voice of Victory, (TBN) 1/20/91)
If you have a treasurer, that means you have a lot of money.
(Praise the Lord (TBN), 9/15/88)
Jesus was handling big money.
(Praise the Lord (TBN), 9/15/88)
KENNETH HAGIN
We (the church) are Christ.
(As Christ is -- So are we, Tape #44H06)
Christ's physical death on the cross was not enough to save us.
(How Jesus obtained His Name, Tape 44H01"
Jesus tasted spiritual death.
(How Jesus obtained His Name, Tape 44H01"
ROBERT TILTON
Being poor is a sin.
(Success in Life, recorded 12/2/90)
Forget your church.
(Success in Life, recorded 3/4/91)
The only time people were poor in the Bible is when they were under a curse.
(Success in Life, recorded 12/2/90)
Do not say "Lord if it be thy will".
(Success in Life, recorded 12/14/91)
FRED PRICE
You can have what you say.
(Praise the Lord (TBN), 9/21/90)
You can't glorify God if you are sick.
(Is God Glorified Through Sickness?, Tape #FP605)
Man has made God violate His own word.
Have a "Rolls Royce" Faith.
(Praise the Lord (TBN), 9/21/90)
God has displeasure in poverty.
(Ever Increasing Faith, recorded 11/16/90)
Jesus and the disciples were rich, only rich people could take off for 3.5 years.
(Ever Increasing Faith, recorded 11/23/90)
Word of Faith Sayings
Paul disagrees with you israel.
in fact, he's quite specific, as Jesus was in His discussion of the TWO sheep folds becoming one (believing jew & gentile), that not even all who were PHYSICALLY of israel are the israel of God (NOT Christ's sheep). what happens to people who are NOT Christ's sheep israel?
Jesus Himself personally disqualified many of the very people first called israel. you now say that it is ALL mankind? can you show me where this shift takes place?
Romans 9:6
It is not as though God's word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. (NIV)
Well then, has God failed to fulfill his promise to Israel? No, for not all who are born into the nation of Israel are truly members of God's people! (NLT)
But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, (ESV)
Jesus came the first time to seek and to save that which was lost.
will He return this time to pour out WRATH israel?
will there be destruction?
what happens after that? is the wrath corrective and then all will be saved?
is the lake of fire for cleansing? no.
in fact, he's quite specific, as Jesus was in His discussion of the TWO sheep folds becoming one (believing jew & gentile), that not even all who were PHYSICALLY of israel are the israel of God (NOT Christ's sheep). what happens to people who are NOT Christ's sheep israel?
Jesus Himself personally disqualified many of the very people first called israel. you now say that it is ALL mankind? can you show me where this shift takes place?
Romans 9:6
It is not as though God's word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. (NIV)
Well then, has God failed to fulfill his promise to Israel? No, for not all who are born into the nation of Israel are truly members of God's people! (NLT)
But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, (ESV)
Jesus came the first time to seek and to save that which was lost.
will He return this time to pour out WRATH israel?
will there be destruction?
what happens after that? is the wrath corrective and then all will be saved?
is the lake of fire for cleansing? no.
No response to the scriptures, just repetition of mantra. I'm not interested in your MYSTICISM.
You need to address the scriptures.
You didnt muster your own faith.
(Romans 12:3) For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
(Hebrews 12:2) Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
(Ephesians 2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
(Ephesians 2:9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.
You need to address the scriptures.
You didnt muster your own faith.
(Romans 12:3) For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
(Hebrews 12:2) Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
(Ephesians 2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
(Ephesians 2:9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.