Does Jesus and Paul contradict each other?

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Just further contemplating and no disrespect to yourself.

I'm just replying to see another reasoning.

I see you have The father as being Perfect

But should the same rule not apply to the son ?

Surely it was Gods perfect incarnation of himself in Marys womb that was also perfect.

Being fully perfect in the flesh is only something God the father could accomplish, what would you say
This was brough about through the Essenes. Again theres a mystry to be solved here.
 
Just further contemplating and no disrespect to yourself.

I'm just replying to see another reasoning.

I see you have The father as being Perfect

But should the same rule not apply to the son ?

Surely it was Gods perfect incarnation of himself in Marys womb that was also perfect.

Being fully perfect in the flesh is only something God the father could accomplish, what would you say
The Essenes paved the way for the Messiah by creating a spiritual and communal preparation through their lifestyle and interpretations of prophecy. They left Jerusalem to live a secluded life in the desert, believing this was a way to "prepare the way of the Lord" as foretold in Isaiah 40:3. They studied biblical prophecy, particularly Daniel 9, and meticulously calculated the timing for the Messiah's arrival, creating a model of purity and holiness in anticipation of a coming spiritual and political leader.
 
He became one with the father and followed the law of love. This is not a problem. For those who follow Jesus are shown the way to the Father. We are instructed by Jesus how to become one with the father. We accomplish this through baptism, repentance, and faith.
ah but he was with God in the beginning how could he become what he already was.

The father the son the hilt spirit one God.

It's the golden belief of Christianity m

Now shall worship no other Gods

One God m
 
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Messiah doesn't translate to God.
your separating the earthly man the Messiah From God the father again m

It's a common error

Jesus the son the seed of man from the begining was also the Messiah

All things where created through him in the earthky physical presence

God being fully God in an physical presence as well spiritual presence.

But without separation
 
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ah but he was with God in the beginning how could he become what he already was.

The father the son the hilt spirit one God.

It's the golden belief of Christianity m

Now shall worship no other Gods

One God m
God of law, god of blessing, god of healing. 3 gods in one. The god who dwells in spirit also dwelled in the beginning. You also have access to that god. You won't find him in Jesus the man you will find him in your spirit which dwells within all life. Separation from god is death.
 
your separating the earthly man the Messiah From God the father again m

It's a common error

Jesus the son the seed of man from the begining was also the Messiah

All things where created through him in the earthky physical presence

God being fully God in an physical presence as well spiritual presence.

But without separation
Yes because flesh and spirit are seprate. One is death the other is eternal life. How can you say god is death and life?
 
Correct, but you must first have the right beliefs and the right foundation, which will then be the working of your faith. Your faith would then produce good works and show good fruit. If what you believe is in error, then your faith will also be in error, and the works that you perform will be bad, and the fruit you produce will be evil. Therefore yes, you are correct, but you're not addressing it properly. You must first build up a solid belief , a solid foundation which we are able to discern and work with the Holy Spirit to form and established by being observant of the law of love, and then the working of our faith will then transform us and change our nature. So this is about changing your nature through the foundation of your beliefs and the working of your faith. Once your nature as changed then it's no longer you working the law it is now your nature. We also have to know that this is not us who do it. It's God's grace doing it. Through the the working of the holy spirit all truth is reviled to form our foundation, and through gods grace we work our faith. Our nature is changed and we discern our works and fruit to see if we are in the right faith.
“Correct, but you must first have the right beliefs and the right foundation, which will then be the working of your faith…..”

the right faith is to hear and believe the gospel of Jesus Christ the lord ,

“For the law was given by Moses,

but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:17‬ ‭

It has nothing to do with Moses law that governs the old covenant.

“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:10-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

faith comes from hearing and believing the gospel the law is behind the gospel is here the old is behind the new has come it’s far better . It’s not telling us what not to do as of we are helpless sinners . It’s telling us what to do as of we are cchildren of the living God having our sins completely remitted before him through the death of his son being born again if his holy spirit

Not murderers within wasting to pounce , not thieves waiting to steal or adulterers waiting to commit for ovation who need to constently be told “ don’t do it or you’ll be out to death “


Theres the law of Moses which governs the covenant israel defiled and broke then there’s the gospel which he promised them wouod later come as a new covenant between them and he and it would extend to all the world and be his salvation to the ends of the earth

“Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price. Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭55:1, 3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Not the covenant made through Moses but a new one based on the mercies of David. The covenant made at Sinai when they received “Thou shalt nots “ was broken because they continually worshipped false gods and idols throughout the ot

as d he promised to make new covenant not according to the old one he made wo th isreal but a new and better covenant was promised to them

“Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭31:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This isn’t a new idea he told moses this would happen when they made the covenant before Moses died

“And the LORD said unto Moses, Behold, thou shalt sleep with thy fathers; and this people will rise up, and go a whoring after the gods of the strangers of the land, whither they go to be among them, and will forsake me, and break my covenant which I have made with them.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭31:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬


His promise was that he would send the messiah to make a new covenant with the people and then extend it to all people

“And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭49:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

To try to drag the old covenant law into the new covenant doesn’t work because it’s contrary “ stone the sinners v forgive the sinners and don’t throw stones at them because you have sinned also “ eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth v turn the other cheek “ when you marry you are free to do or e if you find an issue and free to remarry again v when you marry it’s a lifetime commitment the only valid reason for divorce is fornication don’t seperate what is joined together by God “ two become one flesh ect

There are two covenants there’s the law of Moses governing the old and the law of Christ which governs all things even eternity
 
God of law, god of blessing, god of healing. 3 gods in one. The god who dwells in spirit also dwelled in the beginning. You also have access to that god. You won't find him in Jesus the man you will find him in your spirit which dwells within all life. Separation from god is death.
That's not correct.

There is absolutely no chance

Jesus was not a perfect incarnation of God in the flesh.

When you have Jesus in you, the fruits of his spirit your soul is born of spirit

They where in him to when he walked and breathed on earth.

But they where in him from the beginning to, the fruits of his spirit didn't develop in his mother's womb.
 
“Correct, but you must first have the right beliefs and the right foundation, which will then be the working of your faith…..”

the right faith is to hear and believe the gospel of Jesus Christ the lord ,

“For the law was given by Moses,

but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:17‬ ‭

It has nothing to do with Moses law that governs the old covenant.

“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:10-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

faith comes from hearing and believing the gospel the law is behind the gospel is here the old is behind the new has come it’s far better . It’s not telling us what not to do as of we are helpless sinners . It’s telling us what to do as of we are cchildren of the living God having our sins completely remitted before him through the death of his son being born again if his holy spirit

Not murderers within wasting to pounce , not thieves waiting to steal or adulterers waiting to commit for ovation who need to constently be told “ don’t do it or you’ll be out to death “


Theres the law of Moses which governs the covenant israel defiled and broke then there’s the gospel which he promised them wouod later come as a new covenant between them and he and it would extend to all the world and be his salvation to the ends of the earth

“Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price. Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭55:1, 3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Not the covenant made through Moses but a new one based on the mercies of David. The covenant made at Sinai when they received “Thou shalt nots “ was broken because they continually worshipped false gods and idols throughout the ot

as d he promised to make new covenant not according to the old one he made wo th isreal but a new and better covenant was promised to them

“Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭31:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This isn’t a new idea he told moses this would happen when they made the covenant before Moses died

“And the LORD said unto Moses, Behold, thou shalt sleep with thy fathers; and this people will rise up, and go a whoring after the gods of the strangers of the land, whither they go to be among them, and will forsake me, and break my covenant which I have made with them.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭31:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬


His promise was that he would send the messiah to make a new covenant with the people and then extend it to all people

“And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭49:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

To try to drag the old covenant law into the new covenant doesn’t work because it’s contrary “ stone the sinners v forgive the sinners and don’t throw stones at them because you have sinned also “ eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth v turn the other cheek “ when you marry you are free to do or e if you find an issue and free to remarry again v when you marry it’s a lifetime commitment the only valid reason for divorce is fornication don’t seperate what is joined together by God “ two become one flesh ect

There are two covenants there’s the law of Moses governing the old and the law of Christ which governs all things even eternity
Except for the 10 commandments otherwise I agree
 
That's not correct.

There is absolutely no chance

Jesus was not a perfect incarnation of God in the flesh.

When you have Jesus in you, the fruits of his spirit your soul is born of spirit

They where in him to when he walked and breathed on earth.

But they where in him from the beginning to, the fruits of his spirit didn't develop in his mother's womb.
Through spirit in flesh. Correct
 
That's not correct.

There is absolutely no chance

Jesus was not a perfect incarnation of God in the flesh.

When you have Jesus in you, the fruits of his spirit your soul is born of spirit

They where in him to when he walked and breathed on earth.

But they where in him from the beginning to, the fruits of his spirit didn't develop in his mother's womb.
That's not correct.

There is absolutely no chance

Jesus was not a perfect incarnation of God in the flesh.

When you have Jesus in you, the fruits of his spirit your soul is born of spirit

They where in him to when he walked and breathed on earth.

But they where in him from the beginning to, the fruits of his spirit didn't develop in his mother's womb.
The fruit of his mother's womb died, and in 3 days. He rose with an eternal body as the fruit of God.
 
Yes because flesh and spirit are seprate. One is death the other is eternal life. How can you say god is death and life?
Because Jesus God holds the power over life and death m rose to heaven in a physical presence

Acts 1 says Jesus ascended to heaven and was hiden from there sight.

if this was only a spiritual presence Jesus ascending to heaven

Why would he need to be hidden from there sight by a cloud m
 
Because Jesus God holds the power over life and death m rose to heaven in a physical presence

Acts 1 says Jesus ascended to heaven and was hiden from there sight.

if this was only a spiritual presence Jesus ascending to heaven

Why would he need to be hidden from there sight by a cloud m
No the spirit of God has the power over life-and-death.Because it is eternal , his body died
 
Because Jesus God holds the power over life and death m rose to heaven in a physical presence

Acts 1 says Jesus ascended to heaven and was hiden from there sight.

if this was only a spiritual presence Jesus ascending to heaven

Why would he need to be hidden from there sight by a cloud m
Yes, he did ascend with a new body an eternal body. The fruit of Mary died.