Did the ancient Mystery Religions get picked up as 'tradition'?

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If it is not a Christian belief, where does it come from, well lets look at the origin of these 'Mysteries'. It seems that many corruptions from Greek mythology and Hellenistic philosophy and other non Christian sources such as Gnosticism which came into the early church and this included the ancient 'Mysteries'.

So lets see what these were..

...The cults of the mystery religions were influenced uniformly by the ideas of the Greek philosophers. A few of them existed before the turn of the Era, but several more appeared at about the turn of the Era. They reached their height of popularity during the times of early Christianity. Christianity was born during a period of proliferation. Christianity itself in the beginning consisted of many cults that existed independently and had very diverse doctrines. Because of such diversity, it is debatable whether Gnosticism was just another cult of Christianity or whether it was a separate religion.

The following features were common to all mystery religions. Admission to the community was by a rite of initiation, a solemn consecration. The initiation was held in secret, which explains why they were called "mysteries."...
Esoteric Christianity: The Greek Mystery Religions and Their Impact on Christianity

Now the problem was that many Christians leaders were influenced or had picked up the pagan 'Mysteries' and mixed it with Christianity. Clement of Alexandria stated that 'what was taught in the Mysteries concerned the universe, and was the completion and perfection of all instruction; wherein things were seen as they were, and nature and her works were made known.'

Clement of Alexandria writings show that he was completely immersed in the pagan 'Myesteries' and are full of terminology taken directly from the language of the Pagan Mysteries. He writes of the Christian revelation as 'the holy Mysteries.' the ';divine secrets',... Clement further states 'I am become holy while I am being initiated.' Clement tells us that in early Christianity there were likewise Lesser Mysteries for beginners on the spiritual path and Greater Mysteries which were a secret higher knowledge, which led to full 'initiation.' The 'secret traditions of true Gnosis,' he explains, had been transmitted 'to a small number, by a succession of masters, and not in writing.'

So then we find the following connection...

"Alexandria was, in addition, one of the chief seats of that peculiar mixed pagan and Christian speculation known as Gnosticism. Basilides and Valentinus taught there. It is no matter of surprise, therefore, to find some of the Christians affected in turn by the scientific spirit. At an uncertain date, in the latter half of the second century, "a school of oral instruction" was founded. "
clement of alexandria

Note, it mixed pagan and Christian speculation, so a combining of paganism into Christianity
"The Mysteries demanded complete adherence to silence among its adherents."

'This demand was taken seriously in the Eleusinian Mysteries as failure to keep vows resulted in death. For this reason very little direct information exists concerning details of the Mysteries- the ritual, passwords, symbols and text."

"..More than five centuries before the arrival of Christianity, at Eleusis (a small town outside Athens) the people established the Eleusinian mysteries. There they reenacted the myth of Demeter's search and her reunion with her daughter Persephone. Every year two Eleusinian ceremonies were held: the Greater mysteries, in honor of Demeter and Kori, and the Lesser mysteries, in honor of Kori alone.

The Lesser mysteries were a preparation for the Greater ones. They were performed at Agrae on the river Ilissus (outside Athens) in the month of Anthesterion (February-March). Because of the oaths for secrecy we have sparse testimony of what exactly took place in the initiation ceremony. Something was recited, something was revealed, and acts were performed. Also, the initiates took an oath of secrecy before preparing for the Greater mysteries. The penalty for revealing the mysteries to outsiders was death. The initiates of the Lesser mysteries waited at least one year until they could participate in the Greater mysteries, which were held at Eleusis in the month of Boedromion (September-October). The Greater mysteries included baptism in the sea, three days of fasting, and the completion of the mysterious central rite. These acts completed the initiation, and the initiate was promised rewards in the life after death..."

Mithraism is an example of a "mystery religion" that flourished in the near east at that time. Mithraism took on the form of a mystery religion, with elaborate rights and ceremonies. It came into the ancient Roman world about 75 B.C. David Ulansey explains it is called such because " ..like the other ancient 'mystery religions,' such as the Eleusinian mysteries and the mysteries of Isis, the Mithraic cult maintained strict secrecy about its teachings and practices, revealing them only to initiates.
Did Christianity Steal From Mithraism? - Come Reason Ministries

The ancient mystery religions were secretive cults in the Greco=Roman world that had secret rites and initiation, and kept the 'mysteries' only to a select few. Here is what history tells us...

"Mystery religions, also known as mystery cults, were religious associations in the ancient world characterized by secrecy, initiation rites, and a focus on personal salvation. These cults provided individuals with religious experiences that were not available through the official public religions of the time. The term "mystery" derives from the Greek word "mysterion," which refers to secret knowledge or rites that were only revealed to initiates. "
https://www.britannica.com/topic/mystery-religion
 
The Catholic Encyclopedia has:
Mithraism A pagan religion consisting mainly of the cult of the ancient Indo-Iranian Sun-god Mithra. It entered Europe from Asia Minor after Alexander's conquest, spread rapidly over the whole Roman Empire at the beginning of our era...The origin of the cult of Mithra dates from the time that the Hindus and Persians still formed one people, for the god Mithra occurs in the religion and the sacred books of both races , i.e. in the Vedas and in the Avesta. In Vedic hymns he is frequently mentioned and is nearly always coupled with Varuna, but beyond the bare occurrence of his name, little is known of him (Rigveda, III, 59). It is conjectured (Oldenberg, "Die "Religion des Veda," Berlin , 1894) that Mithra was the rising sun, Varuna the setting sun; or, Mithra, the sky at daytime, Varuna, the sky at night; or, the one the sun, the other the moon. In any case Mithra is a light or solar deity of some sort
Helios Mithras is one god...Sunday was kept holy in honour of Mithra...The 25 December was observed as his birthday, the natalis invicti, the rebirth of the winter-sun, unconquered by the rigours of the season...

So lets dig a little deeper and see what we have...

"Mystery religions, sacred mysteries or simply mysteries, were religious cults of the Greco-Roman world for which participation was reserved to initiates (mystai).[1] The main characterization of this religion is the secrecy associated with the particulars of the initiation and the cult practice, which may not be revealed to outsiders. The most famous mysteries of Greco-Roman antiquity were the Eleusinian Mysteries, which were of considerable antiquity and predated the Greek Dark Ages. The popularity of mystery cults flourished on Late Antiquity; Julian the Apostate in the mid 4th century is known to have been initiated into three distinct mystery cults—most notably the Mithraic Mysteries."

So the Mithraic Mysterys, that was picked up in the Roman Empire and blossomed. As Alexander the Great made conquests, mystery religions came with the territory. The same is true for the Roman Empire. The sun gods and goddesses including Mithra, Phrygian Cybele and the Egyptian Isis, to mention a few, were brought into the empires as annexations were made. And, of course, along with mystery religion came astrology, whose central figure is the sun. Mithraism was popular in the Roman Empire with many Emperors following, not just the populace. It had seven sacraments, the same as the Catholic Church, baptism, and communion with bread and water. The Eucharist hosts were signed with a cross, an ancient phallic symbol which originated in Egypt, and the Egyptian cross (the ankh) still shows the original form which included the female symbol

Rome gained dominance over the Grecian Empire. At the death of Caesar Augustus, the time of Christ, the Roman empire stretched from Spain to the Caspian Sea, including Egypt, the Sinai peninsula, and Israel. Christianity was born and grew up in this setting.

The most significant aspect of the Greco-Roman civilization connection was that of religion. The Greeks and Romans worshipped numerous gods, the Romans picked up the mystery religions of the Greeks and renamed their gods. Religious ceremonies, rites and festivals were very important and many were celebrated. Notable festivals include the Greek festival of Zeus, the birthday of the Roman sun god, and the celebrations in honor of the fertility goddess at the spring equinox. The Romans also picked up and believed in the pagan god named Mithra (or Mithras). He was known, in various forms, in India, Persia, Greece, and throughout the Roman Empire. For the Greeks and Romans in the first century, Mithras was the chief figure in a mystery religion called Mithraism that held prominence in the Roman Empire....

During the 1st century BC, a cult of Mithra, made much progress in Rome, after enduring persecution, when some Emperors adopted the religion... Mithra became very popular among the Roman legionaries and later even among the Emperors. The worship of Mithra was first recognized by Emperor Aurelian and he instituted the cult of "Sol Invictus" or the Invincible Sun. Emperor Diocletian also a worshipper of Mithra, the Sun God, burned much of the Christian scriptures in 307 A.D.

This enabled Emperor Constantine to merge the cult of Mithra with that of Christianity that was developing much. He declared himself a Christian but at the same time maintained his ties to the Mithra cult. He retained the title "Pontifus Maximus" the high priest. On his coins were inscribed: "Sol Invicto comiti" which means, commited to the invincible sun. This new blend of the two faiths, he officially proclaimed as Christianity. Christianity spread all over the Roman Empire and Eastern Europe by massive persecution and brought an end to a variety of religions that flourished there.'

So we see the connection of how this mystery religion came in under Constantine who was the Roman Emperor, and a certainly a supporter of the mystery religion..

Mithraism and Early Christianity
 
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Clement tells us that in early Christianity there were likewise Lesser Mysteries for beginners on the spiritual path and Greater Mysteries which were a secret higher knowledge, which led to full 'initiation.' The 'secret traditions of true Gnosis,' he explains, had been transmitted 'to a small number, by a succession of masters, and not in writing.'

So then we find the following connection...

"Alexandria was, in addition, one of the chief seats of that peculiar mixed pagan and Christian speculation known as Gnosticism. Basilides and Valentinus taught there. It is no matter of surprise, therefore, to find some of the Christians affected in turn by the scientific spirit. At an uncertain date, in the latter half of the second century, "a school of oral instruction" was founded. "

We see this today in Christians who exalt themselves for being spiritual and look down their noses at those whom they consider to be carnal Christians who believe doing righteousness is required to be saved. Irenaeus wrote about the Valentinian gnostics who thought like this. Valentinus was a high official in the Roman church who left the church to promote his own beliefs after he was not elected to be the bishop of Rome, ie, Pope. So he was very influential and no doubt led many people astray into believing true Christians followed gnostic teachings
 
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The Pagan priests, Mithra followers, The Sun God, also known back then as Rah. These Priests had buildings set up for people to come to Church, hear truth and pay tithes, (Now known as offerings and Tithes)
No one was going, and so Constantine had a meeting with all the Priests.
He told them to read the Bible they had, and report to the people, they now are believers too. He said then the people will start coming to Church. People did, and heard and then listened and believed them that led the Church building then and they gained monetary value. Money started coming in. And fast forward to today, we have a mixture of Truth and error in our midst.
The Church, English word from the Greek word was never in the original writings. The Church, (Building) got replaced to be that word from the word Ecclesia in Greek, which means the called out ones
The Church today uses the Preachers in them as the Called out ones. When the truth is, all of us are called out by God Father through risen Son Jesus for us all. to decide to believe God in risen Son or not. We are the Ecclesia in love and mercy to all, y'all. That be the new life offered in God's Spirit and Truth alone. Since no other flesh can ever please Father as Son's did once for us all, y'all. It is done John 19:30 for us to be made new, in the risen Life of Christ, done by Daddy, PaPa, Father in the same Love and Mercy Son has given to us all, who went to that cross without any flesh fight back ever and willing died for us all, in our deserved death's place. Hebrews 10:10
Waiting patiently still, for the next person t believe God and get sealed to see the whole truth and nothing but the truth Eph 1:13, those sealed by God from one, anyone that chose to believe God in risen Son, God seals for each to see new in the love and mercy given us first by Son God carries on the new work Phil 1:6. We get to start new and grow up into God's real love for us all, to choose to believe it or not
Today is the day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yesterday gone, tomorrow not yet here
Tell God you believe God wants only what is best for you. Say I now know, when I do not get what I think to get or even told by others I should get it. I now trust, Father God you know best Jeremiah 29:11. So I will go through troubles here on earth, great, I see to not deny you, even whenever feel as to do that over troubles happening to me too
Glory in all things good or bad thank you. I do not know how I will get through all this. I just know I will, thanks to you
Wow woe is me Isaiah 6:1-7
 
If it is not a Christian belief, where does it come from, well lets look at the origin of these 'Mysteries'. It seems that many corruptions from Greek mythology and Hellenistic philosophy and other non Christian sources such as Gnosticism which came into the early church and this included the ancient 'Mysteries'.

So lets see what these were..

...The cults of the mystery religions were influenced uniformly by the ideas of the Greek philosophers. A few of them existed before the turn of the Era, but several more appeared at about the turn of the Era. They reached their height of popularity during the times of early Christianity. Christianity was born during a period of proliferation. Christianity itself in the beginning consisted of many cults that existed independently and had very diverse doctrines. Because of such diversity, it is debatable whether Gnosticism was just another cult of Christianity or whether it was a separate religion.

The following features were common to all mystery religions. Admission to the community was by a rite of initiation, a solemn consecration. The initiation was held in secret, which explains why they were called "mysteries."...
Esoteric Christianity: The Greek Mystery Religions and Their Impact on Christianity

Now the problem was that many Christians leaders were influenced or had picked up the pagan 'Mysteries' and mixed it with Christianity. Clement of Alexandria stated that 'what was taught in the Mysteries concerned the universe, and was the completion and perfection of all instruction; wherein things were seen as they were, and nature and her works were made known.'

Clement of Alexandria writings show that he was completely immersed in the pagan 'Myesteries' and are full of terminology taken directly from the language of the Pagan Mysteries. He writes of the Christian revelation as 'the holy Mysteries.' the ';divine secrets',... Clement further states 'I am become holy while I am being initiated.' Clement tells us that in early Christianity there were likewise Lesser Mysteries for beginners on the spiritual path and Greater Mysteries which were a secret higher knowledge, which led to full 'initiation.' The 'secret traditions of true Gnosis,' he explains, had been transmitted 'to a small number, by a succession of masters, and not in writing.'

So then we find the following connection...

"Alexandria was, in addition, one of the chief seats of that peculiar mixed pagan and Christian speculation known as Gnosticism. Basilides and Valentinus taught there. It is no matter of surprise, therefore, to find some of the Christians affected in turn by the scientific spirit. At an uncertain date, in the latter half of the second century, "a school of oral instruction" was founded. "
clement of alexandria

Note, it mixed pagan and Christian speculation, so a combining of paganism into Christianity
"The Mysteries demanded complete adherence to silence among its adherents."

'This demand was taken seriously in the Eleusinian Mysteries as failure to keep vows resulted in death. For this reason very little direct information exists concerning details of the Mysteries- the ritual, passwords, symbols and text."

"..More than five centuries before the arrival of Christianity, at Eleusis (a small town outside Athens) the people established the Eleusinian mysteries. There they reenacted the myth of Demeter's search and her reunion with her daughter Persephone. Every year two Eleusinian ceremonies were held: the Greater mysteries, in honor of Demeter and Kori, and the Lesser mysteries, in honor of Kori alone.

The Lesser mysteries were a preparation for the Greater ones. They were performed at Agrae on the river Ilissus (outside Athens) in the month of Anthesterion (February-March). Because of the oaths for secrecy we have sparse testimony of what exactly took place in the initiation ceremony. Something was recited, something was revealed, and acts were performed. Also, the initiates took an oath of secrecy before preparing for the Greater mysteries. The penalty for revealing the mysteries to outsiders was death. The initiates of the Lesser mysteries waited at least one year until they could participate in the Greater mysteries, which were held at Eleusis in the month of Boedromion (September-October). The Greater mysteries included baptism in the sea, three days of fasting, and the completion of the mysterious central rite. These acts completed the initiation, and the initiate was promised rewards in the life after death..."

Mithraism is an example of a "mystery religion" that flourished in the near east at that time. Mithraism took on the form of a mystery religion, with elaborate rights and ceremonies. It came into the ancient Roman world about 75 B.C. David Ulansey explains it is called such because " ..like the other ancient 'mystery religions,' such as the Eleusinian mysteries and the mysteries of Isis, the Mithraic cult maintained strict secrecy about its teachings and practices, revealing them only to initiates.
Did Christianity Steal From Mithraism? - Come Reason Ministries

The ancient mystery religions were secretive cults in the Greco=Roman world that had secret rites and initiation, and kept the 'mysteries' only to a select few. Here is what history tells us...

"Mystery religions, also known as mystery cults, were religious associations in the ancient world characterized by secrecy, initiation rites, and a focus on personal salvation. These cults provided individuals with religious experiences that were not available through the official public religions of the time. The term "mystery" derives from the Greek word "mysterion," which refers to secret knowledge or rites that were only revealed to initiates. "
https://www.britannica.com/topic/mystery-religion

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron.

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

The new age movement that interprets the Bible and religions according to the occult and evolution, and people are going to evolve to be spiritual, and greater, and Jesus became an ascended master among others, and there is no personal God, but they honor the God of forces the power of the Cosmos, and the New Age Christ is the next world teacher.

The time will come that people will not want to hear the truth of the Bible but want to hear it according to the new age.

And they will take it farther setting the stage for the antichrist.

Which he will push the agenda of the new age to prepare the world for when he claims to be God and savior.

He interprets all religions according to paganism, the occult, and mysticism.
 
If it is not a Christian belief, where does it come from, well lets look at the origin of these 'Mysteries'. It seems that many corruptions from Greek mythology and Hellenistic philosophy and other non Christian sources such as Gnosticism which came into the early church and this included the ancient 'Mysteries'.

So lets see what these were..

...The cults of the mystery religions were influenced uniformly by the ideas of the Greek philosophers. A few of them existed before the turn of the Era, but several more appeared at about the turn of the Era. They reached their height of popularity during the times of early Christianity. Christianity was born during a period of proliferation. Christianity itself in the beginning consisted of many cults that existed independently and had very diverse doctrines. Because of such diversity, it is debatable whether Gnosticism was just another cult of Christianity or whether it was a separate religion.

The following features were common to all mystery religions. Admission to the community was by a rite of initiation, a solemn consecration. The initiation was held in secret, which explains why they were called "mysteries."...
Esoteric Christianity: The Greek Mystery Religions and Their Impact on Christianity

Now the problem was that many Christians leaders were influenced or had picked up the pagan 'Mysteries' and mixed it with Christianity. Clement of Alexandria stated that 'what was taught in the Mysteries concerned the universe, and was the completion and perfection of all instruction; wherein things were seen as they were, and nature and her works were made known.'

Clement of Alexandria writings show that he was completely immersed in the pagan 'Myesteries' and are full of terminology taken directly from the language of the Pagan Mysteries. He writes of the Christian revelation as 'the holy Mysteries.' the ';divine secrets',... Clement further states 'I am become holy while I am being initiated.' Clement tells us that in early Christianity there were likewise Lesser Mysteries for beginners on the spiritual path and Greater Mysteries which were a secret higher knowledge, which led to full 'initiation.' The 'secret traditions of true Gnosis,' he explains, had been transmitted 'to a small number, by a succession of masters, and not in writing.'

So then we find the following connection...

"Alexandria was, in addition, one of the chief seats of that peculiar mixed pagan and Christian speculation known as Gnosticism. Basilides and Valentinus taught there. It is no matter of surprise, therefore, to find some of the Christians affected in turn by the scientific spirit. At an uncertain date, in the latter half of the second century, "a school of oral instruction" was founded. "
clement of alexandria

Note, it mixed pagan and Christian speculation, so a combining of paganism into Christianity
"The Mysteries demanded complete adherence to silence among its adherents."

'This demand was taken seriously in the Eleusinian Mysteries as failure to keep vows resulted in death. For this reason very little direct information exists concerning details of the Mysteries- the ritual, passwords, symbols and text."

"..More than five centuries before the arrival of Christianity, at Eleusis (a small town outside Athens) the people established the Eleusinian mysteries. There they reenacted the myth of Demeter's search and her reunion with her daughter Persephone. Every year two Eleusinian ceremonies were held: the Greater mysteries, in honor of Demeter and Kori, and the Lesser mysteries, in honor of Kori alone.

The Lesser mysteries were a preparation for the Greater ones. They were performed at Agrae on the river Ilissus (outside Athens) in the month of Anthesterion (February-March). Because of the oaths for secrecy we have sparse testimony of what exactly took place in the initiation ceremony. Something was recited, something was revealed, and acts were performed. Also, the initiates took an oath of secrecy before preparing for the Greater mysteries. The penalty for revealing the mysteries to outsiders was death. The initiates of the Lesser mysteries waited at least one year until they could participate in the Greater mysteries, which were held at Eleusis in the month of Boedromion (September-October). The Greater mysteries included baptism in the sea, three days of fasting, and the completion of the mysterious central rite. These acts completed the initiation, and the initiate was promised rewards in the life after death..."

Mithraism is an example of a "mystery religion" that flourished in the near east at that time. Mithraism took on the form of a mystery religion, with elaborate rights and ceremonies. It came into the ancient Roman world about 75 B.C. David Ulansey explains it is called such because " ..like the other ancient 'mystery religions,' such as the Eleusinian mysteries and the mysteries of Isis, the Mithraic cult maintained strict secrecy about its teachings and practices, revealing them only to initiates.
Did Christianity Steal From Mithraism? - Come Reason Ministries

The ancient mystery religions were secretive cults in the Greco=Roman world that had secret rites and initiation, and kept the 'mysteries' only to a select few. Here is what history tells us...

"Mystery religions, also known as mystery cults, were religious associations in the ancient world characterized by secrecy, initiation rites, and a focus on personal salvation. These cults provided individuals with religious experiences that were not available through the official public religions of the time. The term "mystery" derives from the Greek word "mysterion," which refers to secret knowledge or rites that were only revealed to initiates. "
https://www.britannica.com/topic/mystery-religion

Re "it is debatable whether Gnosticism was just another cult of Christianity or whether it was a separate religion": In Galatians Paul makes it clear that any heretical cult or perversion of the Gospel (divine mystery per Rom. 16:25-26 & Eph. 1:9) revealed in Christ by Paul is separate and anathema (Gal. 1:6-9).
 
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One might consider that the various mystery religions that sprang up around the eastern Mediterranean at the time of Christ were a device by Satan to attempt to have the gospel of Christ disappear in a flood of similar stories.
 
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Re "it is debatable whether Gnosticism was just another cult of Christianity or whether it was a separate religion": In Galatians Paul makes it clear that any heretical cult or perversion of the Gospel (divine mystery per Rom. 16:25-26 & Eph. 1:9) revealed in Christ by Paul is separate and anathema (Gal. 1:6-9).

Furthering this. To see why 1 John got written by John to the person that sent John a letter about what was happening in their gathering.
What was going on? That is where Gnosticism started. Gnosticism, does not beleive God Son, came here to earth in flesh and blood, why? Because all flesh is evil. Therefore they 'surmised, Jesus could nor have come to earth in flesh and blood through a woman.
And that I see as a false Gospel, why?
1 John 1
We have tasted, we have touched, we have ate with him. Now we know the letters purpose of Chapter 1. The 1 John 1:9 is a misinterpretation of the truth. It actually states from the Greek language to have (Past tense) already reconciled you, forgiven you. You do not need to keep short accounts with God. God did it for us all. So goes 1 John 2 explaining this to us all
Just thought I would could share with you brother in our learning truth over errors in this world we are in and not part of anymore, yet it seeps in, we being emotional too much, at least me thanks

I am learning. daily to step on the train where the Engine, Truth of God leads, not the caboose leading anymore as have been on that train with emotions leading me and has corrupted me in past. Still out and about trying to steal, kill and destroy anyone it can through emotions leading them that bring about worrying. Which Jesus asked in Matthew 6 will any worry add any moment to your life? I saw that and saw, no it does not help at all, never has. It is the thief, that steals, kills and destroys people John 10:10a, now John 10:10b reveals what is now done for us to be new in love to all, even if in troubles presently. Still, learning God Father and Son all knowing
 
Did the ancient Mystery Religions get picked up as 'tradition'?

Yes. The devil loves to bring in traditions that sound religious and sound good to the carnal minded person to trick them in to thinking they are following the Lord when in reality they are following the wisdom of men instead of the wisdom of the Lord which can only be found in His Word.

Mark 7:13
Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
 
In the United States and the West, there are a few active principles that confound discernment on this subject.

1st: The idea of equality. While it is true that all who are in Christ are children of God, it is NOT true that God treats all His children the same. Our Father dispenses grace to whom He wills, and often so against worldly wisdom. For example, Saul, a persecutor of the church, was chosen among all men to carry the gospel to the Gentiles, bearing the name of the Lord in much suffering. By earthly right, God should have ignored Paul, at least, punished him at best.

2nd: The idea of democracy. Democracy is perhaps THE form of government that is most UNLIKE the rule of the Lord. Individual rights are paramount in democracy. Yet, in the kingdom of God, a man may be incarcerated or shipwrecked so that the Lord's message may be directed toward a specific people. Heck, even the Father's only Son was sent so that He might die.

3rd: Emphasis on salvation to go to heaven only. Were one to compare the number of salvation messages to messages about maturity, the number of salvation messages would lap message about growing up in Christ. Entire denominations are salvation-focused. The demands of the marketplace, wherein numbers = success, place little emphasis on whether or not a person in Christ matures in Christ. Still, it's impossible to measure someone's maturity in Christ except from within a personal relationship. We can count "Sinner's prayers" and "butts in the seat", but how are we to gauge one's increase in grace except to know the person's walk with the Lord?

Paul would write this to the believers in Corinth:

"And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual people but as to carnal, as to babes in Christ. 2I fed you with milk and not with solid food; for until now you were not able to receive it, and even now you are still not able; 3for you are still carnal. For where there are envy, strife, and divisions among you, are you not carnal and behaving like mere men? 4For when one says, “I am of Paul,” and another, “I am of Apollos,” are you not carnal?"

So no, the Corinthian church did not get "all Paul had to say" because they were not able to receive it. BUT, Pual would write:

"And I, brethren, when I came to you, did not come with excellence of speech or of wisdom declaring to you the testimony of God. 2For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified. 3I was with you in weakness, in fear, and in much trembling. 4And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, 5that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.


6However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory, 8which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory."

So, there ARE some things only certain believers can receive while others cannot. And, some of those things are mysteries revealed. This is scripture. To say otherwise is to admit that one doesn't know scripture. Such a thing is not gnosticism or some secret gospel.

So, look, instead of bemoaning talk of "spiritual knowledge", examine the character of the ones with knowledge of mysteries. Are they humble? Are they approachable? Are they ready to give an answer when asked? Are they generous or greedy? Do they emphasize titles over relationships? Are they servants or are they masters with a whip? Simply claiming to know mysteries is not a red flag (Paul did) but hoarding the mysteries or using knowledge against fellow believers is abhorrent.



 
Furthering this. To see why 1 John got written by John to the person that sent John a letter about what was happening in their gathering.
What was going on? That is where Gnosticism started. Gnosticism, does not beleive God Son, came here to earth in flesh and blood, why? Because all flesh is evil. Therefore they 'surmised, Jesus could nor have come to earth in flesh and blood through a woman.
And that I see as a false Gospel, why?
1 John 1
We have tasted, we have touched, we have ate with him. Now we know the letters purpose of Chapter 1. The 1 John 1:9 is a misinterpretation of the truth. It actually states from the Greek language to have (Past tense) already reconciled you, forgiven you. You do not need to keep short accounts with God. God did it for us all. So goes 1 John 2 explaining this to us all
Just thought I would could share with you brother in our learning truth over errors in this world we are in and not part of anymore, yet it seeps in, we being emotional too much, at least me thanks

I am learning. daily to step on the train where the Engine, Truth of God leads, not the caboose leading anymore as have been on that train with emotions leading me and has corrupted me in past. Still out and about trying to steal, kill and destroy anyone it can through emotions leading them that bring about worrying. Which Jesus asked in Matthew 6 will any worry add any moment to your life? I saw that and saw, no it does not help at all, never has. It is the thief, that steals, kills and destroys people John 10:10a, now John 10:10b reveals what is now done for us to be new in love to all, even if in troubles presently. Still, learning God Father and Son all knowing

Since I am rusty on Greek, I resorted to asking Google, which said:

No, the verbs in 1 John 1:9 are not past tense in the Greek; they are present participles and aorist subjunctive, indicating a continuous or future action rather than a completed past one. The verbs describe an ongoing condition or action that is dependent on the present confession of sins, not something that has already happened.
  • The Greek verb for "confess" (homologeo) is in the present tense, and the verbs for "forgive" and "cleanse" are in the aorist subjunctive.
  • The aorist tense in Koine Greek can express a simple, completed action, but in this context, its use with the subjunctive mood suggests a future conditional action.
  • Therefore, the passage can be understood as, "If you are now confessing your sins, then God is faithful and just to forgive and cleanse you"
 
Since I am rusty on Greek, I resorted to asking Google, which said:

No, the verbs in 1 John 1:9 are not past tense in the Greek; they are present participles and aorist subjunctive, indicating a continuous or future action rather than a completed past one. The verbs describe an ongoing condition or action that is dependent on the present confession of sins, not something that has already happened.
  • The Greek verb for "confess" (homologeo) is in the present tense, and the verbs for "forgive" and "cleanse" are in the aorist subjunctive.
  • The aorist tense in Koine Greek can express a simple, completed action, but in this context, its use with the subjunctive mood suggests a future conditional action.
  • Therefore, the passage can be understood as, "If you are now confessing your sins, then God is faithful and just to forgive and cleanse you"
Over 40 other verses in the New Testament that state sins forgiven in past tense
John 19:30, Eph 1:7, 2 Cor 5:17-20, and so many more.
And only 1, I John 1:9 verse, that keeps people from being g set free, having short accounts with God to be new. When God doe that for each person in sincere belief to see
Thanks for checking. 1 John 1:9 is the only verse that leads to ongoing forgiveness needed. When The blood of the Lamb, Jesus shed and took away sin forever in Father's, Daddy, PaPa's sought for us to be able to walk new in love and mercy too, thank you
God loves us all, to choose Gos and be saved by God, since man cannot do it, proven in the first testament to me
Thanks we are freed too love in God's mercy and truth of Son for us all to be new in God's Spirit and Truth, dead to first birth of flesh and blood
Believe as anyone decides is: God has not called anyone to live like a refugee. If you under stress, it is you doing that to self
Come out of her my people
Hebrews 4:9-13