What is the proof Jesus is eternally begotten son?

[homwardbound]

Not doubting God just man and his desires. Tishendorf (sc) is far beyond questionable. As for Westcott and Hort their letters and other writings that came to light after their deaths are nothing short of heretical. Not to mention their ties to the RCC. No friend I dont doubt God just those who commit fraud for money.

Thank you, as I see in Isaiah 7:1-9, were God states, if you doubt, do not believe God, then God is not or will not establish anyone that may say they believe God, and second-guess God, I see it is much harder to get established in the done work given us at least me, Along walk here on earth off a short pier daily, trying to be new, when God has done it all for us each to choose and be new, (Born new Born again.
Thanks you, for not doubting as evil loves to get into our psyche's and bring on second guessing over listening directly to God in God's Spirit and Truth, at least me. I now here from within

 

[FredVB]

There isn't any biblical proof that Jesus is the eternally begotten son. Because he isn't. He was Yeshua originally and our name for him is from the Greek form made for his name, Iēsous (Ἰησοῦς). He was the Word with God, who is God, and he came in the incarnation that in Luke chapter one has the angel shown appearing to Mary who would be his mother saying of him "He shall be called the Son of God." So that is how the incarnation as a human, from the Word (Logos), is known. Being the Son does not mean God reproduces biologically.

 

[GWH]

What is the proof Jesus is eternally begotten son?

1Cor. 15:13-20

 

[homwardbound]

There isn't any biblical proof that Jesus is the eternally begotten son. Because he isn't. He was Yeshua originally and our name for him is from the Greek form made for his name, Iēsous (Ἰησοῦς). He was the Word with God, who is God, and he came in the incarnation that in Luke chapter one has the angel shown appearing to Mary who would be his mother saying of him "He shall be called the Son of God." So that is how the incarnation as a human, from the Word (Logos), is known. Being the Son does not mean God reproduces biologically.

2 Corinthians 4:4
in whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Colossians 1:15
who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Jesus Christ, Yashuah Ha'Masiach
For us the people all of us, To give us Love, God Father's love all the same. /What?
Accept, not reject, trust God to lead you into the eternity God freely gives all to not argue, accuse or abuse, even excuse anyone anymore, at least this I now see, thank you Daddy
God loves us all y'all. Otherwise Christ would not have gone to that cross and willingly die for us all
To give, freely new life in his resurrected life, a new life of Love and mercy for us all to automatically do now, not have to think it over, Love is written on our new Hearts given us by God in risen Son for us all
To me that is who God Father is, no matter what anyone else's interpretations are!
God has free will too. I say this, quit pissing God off from harming others without care, ask God personally and care for all, not a few as you choose accordingly: seeing, seen others works you see and judge them over it Luke 18:9-14. Forgive since you are forgiven by God through Son first, please see. God willing thank you
The Mercy, Reconciliation, forgiveness given is not an excuse to be God myself at least thanks for the reconciliation first Father. 2 Cor 5:16-20, now the risen Life to get given if not gotten it yet, given by Father, no other in truth. I trust you to do that to each person in your love and mercy for us all by Son, thank you. Not to be taken for granted, never meant for that to be, thanks I see and repented never harming anyone on purpose, as Father knows all truth not me

 

[homwardbound]

There isn't any biblical proof that Jesus is the eternally begotten son. Because he isn't. He was Yeshua originally and our name for him is from the Greek form made for his name, Iēsous (Ἰησοῦς). He was the Word with God, who is God, and he came in the incarnation that in Luke chapter one has the angel shown appearing to Mary who would be his mother saying of him "He shall be called the Son of God." So that is how the incarnation as a human, from the Word (Logos), is known. Being the Son does not mean God reproduces biologically.

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

That be in the risen Christ now. Where the new life is offered for us all to choose to beleive God or not consciously so, thanks

 

[GWH]

There isn't any biblical proof that Jesus is the eternally begotten son. Because he isn't. He was Yeshua originally and our name for him is from the Greek form made for his name, Iēsous (Ἰησοῦς). He was the Word with God, who is God, and he came in the incarnation that in Luke chapter one has the angel shown appearing to Mary who would be his mother saying of him "He shall be called the Son of God." So that is how the incarnation as a human, from the Word (Logos), is known. Being the Son does not mean God reproduces biologically.

You sort of disagreed with your own objection,
You objected to Jesus being the son, but then said the son is the incarnate Word, which is eternal.
"Begotten" does not have to refer to physical procreation.

And criticism should be constructive, so perhaps the following could be suggested as a better question:

What is the Scriptural evidence that Jesus was God incarnate?

 

[homwardbound]

You sort of disagreed with your own objection,
You objected to Jesus being the son, but then said the son is the incarnate Word, which is eternal.
"Begotten" does not have to refer to physical procreation.

And criticism should be constructive, so perhaps the following could be suggested as a better question:

What is the Scriptural evidence that Jesus was God incarnate?

Cool,
Scriptures supporting the concept of Jesus as God incarnate include
John 1:14, which states that the "Word became flesh," and Matthew 1:23, which foretells the birth of Jesus as "Immanuel," meaning "God with us". Other key passages are Philippians 2:6-7, which notes that Christ, though "in the form of God," took on the "likeness of men," and Colossians 1:15, which describes Jesus as the "image of the invisible God".

 

[NightTwister]

Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. -- Philippians 2:5-8 ESV

 

[DeanM]

In the beginning was God. The Word was with God and was God. Paraphrase. I sometimes wonder what bible some use and if they use them.

 

[DeanM]

One guy says Jesus is all three and there is no trinity and another says Jesus wasnt God until His physical birth. This site would not be good for a new believer.

 

[Gideon300]

One guy says Jesus is all three and there is no trinity and another says Jesus wasnt God until His physical birth. This site would not be good for a new believer.

Those who are born again have a new spirit and the indwelling Holy Spirit. It is the Holy Spirit's work to lead us into all truth. My advice to the confused is to study the Word for themselves, seeking the help of the Holy Spirit. We should be doing that anyway. We all need the truth that sets us free.

 

[DeanM]

Those who are born again have a new spirit and the indwelling Holy Spirit. It is the Holy Spirit's work to lead us into all truth. My advice to the confused is to study the Word for themselves, seeking the help of the Holy Spirit. We should be doing that anyway. We all need the truth that sets us free.

Agreed. But with the wacky theories here and on the internet in general I would add that new or intetested folks get grounded before googling anything.

 

[GWH]

Agreed. But with the wacky theories here and on the internet in general I would add that new or intetested folks get grounded before googling anything.

I agree, which is why I offer our website as a resource or commentary regarding GW <truthseekersfellowship.com>

 

[FredVB]

There isn't any biblical proof that Jesus is the eternally begotten son. Because he isn't. He was Yeshua originally and our name for him is from the Greek form made for his name, Iēsous (Ἰησοῦς). He was the Word with God, who is God, and he came in the incarnation that in Luke chapter one has the angel shown appearing to Mary who would be his mother saying of him "He shall be called the Son of God." So that is how the incarnation as a human, from the Word (Logos), is known. Being the Son does not mean God reproduces biologically.

2 Corinthians 4:4
in whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Colossians 1:15
who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Jesus Christ, Yashuah Ha'Masiach
For us the people all of us, To give us Love, God Father's love all the same. /What?
Accept, not reject, trust God to lead you into the eternity God freely gives all to not argue, accuse or abuse, even excuse anyone anymore, at least this I now see, thank you Daddy
God loves us all y'all. Otherwise Christ would not have gone to that cross and willingly die for us all
To give, freely new life in his resurrected life, a new life of Love and mercy for us all to automatically do now, not have to think it over, Love is written on our new Hearts given us by God in risen Son for us all
To me that is who God Father is, no matter what anyone else's interpretations are!
God has free will too. I say this, quit pissing God off from harming others without care, ask God personally and care for all, not a few as you choose accordingly: seeing, seen others works you see and judge them over it Luke 18:9-14. Forgive since you are forgiven by God through Son first, please see. God willing thank you
The Mercy, Reconciliation, forgiveness given is not an excuse to be God myself at least thanks for the reconciliation first Father. 2 Cor 5:16-20, now the risen Life to get given if not gotten it yet, given by Father, no other in truth. I trust you to do that to each person in your love and mercy for us all by Son, thank you. Not to be taken for granted, never meant for that to be, thanks I see and repented never harming anyone on purpose, as Father knows all truth not me

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

That be in the risen Christ now. Where the new life is offered for us all to choose to beleive God or not consciously so, thanks

I wasn't disagreeing with those things... was I?

You sort of disagreed with your own objection,
You objected to Jesus being the son, but then said the son is the incarnate Word, which is eternal.
"Begotten" does not have to refer to physical procreation.

And criticism should be constructive, so perhaps the following could be suggested as a better question:

What is the Scriptural evidence that Jesus was God incarnate?

No, it was not me disagreeing with myself. He is eternal and the Word with God who is God. The incarnation is not eternal, that incarnation had a beginning, and the Son is what the incarnation is known by, nothing in scriptures says that is eternal, or do you know a passage that shows otherwise? You were answered already by a post right after this one from you what scriptural evidence shows Jesus is the incarnation of God. But none of this knowledge is what saves you.

 

[tablet123]

What is the proof Jesus is eternally begotten son?

Mic 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

Jesus has no beginning.

Son means to have a father, be created, or else son has no meaning.

How can the Son be eternally begotten.

If the Son has no beginning then how does He have a father.

So there cannot be a God the Son.

Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

The Son is not a created god.

Mat 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Jesus is God manifest in flesh which means He manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus.

Which He is the fulness of the Godhead bodily and He has the Spirit without measure.

But it was not a God the Son that was manifest in flesh but the Holy Spirit that was manifest in flesh.

There is no God the Son.

There is only one God who is a Holy Spirit, and Father is a title, and the Son is the man Christ Jesus.

Rom 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh.

Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law.

The Son got His start in the womb of Mary not before it.

Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Jesus is the only begotten Son of God because He is the only human to be begotten by God.

1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

The Bible says there is one God the Father.

There is no trinity.

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

The Son shall be called the everlasting Father for there is one God the Father.

Isa 52:5 Now therefore, what have I here, saith the LORD, that my people is taken away for nought? they that rule over them make them to howl, saith the LORD; and my name continually every day is blasphemed.
Isa 52:6 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.

Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

God said He would reveal a new name to the Jews and speak to them.

Jesus told Philip that if he has seen Him he has seen the Father.

And He does not do the works but the Father that dwells in Him He does the works.

Rev 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.

Rev 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him.

There is one throne in heaven not two thrones.

Which is the throne of God and the Lamb, God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.

The only person we will see in heaven is Jesus which if you have seen Him you have seen the Father.

Adam created in the image of God.

In the New Adam made in the fashion of Christ.

The image of God is the image of Christ.

In the beginning was the Word and the Word was God and the Word was made flesh.

God had the plan to come in the future in flesh and created Adam in that image.

Let us make man in our image has to include the man Christ Jesus for He is part of that image.

Baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

Those are not names but titles and name is singular.

The name is Jesus.

Jesus said He came in the Father's name.

The Son inherited the name from the Father.

The Holy Spirit comes in the name of Jesus.

Jews, Gentiles, and Samaritans, were all baptized in the name of Jesus.

All we do in word and deed do all in the name of Jesus.

Jesus at the right hand of God.

Jesus said all power is given unto Him in heaven and earth.

There is only one throne in heaven.

God's right hand represents power, wisdom, and salvation.

The man Christ Jesus is the mediator between God and men.

The Son must reign until His enemies are conquered then the Son shall submit to God that God may be all in all.

God exalted the man Christ Jesus to exercise the throne of power be at His right hand until His enemies are conquered.

Then the Son shall stop exercising the throne of power stop being at the right hand that God may be all in all.

There is only one God the Father.

There is no God the Son.

The Son is not begotten eternally

There is no trinity.

The only begotten Son is the man Christ Jesus.

 

[Gideon300]

Mic 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

Jesus has no beginning.

Son means to have a father, be created, or else son has no meaning.

How can the Son be eternally begotten.

If the Son has no beginning then how does He have a father.

So there cannot be a God the Son.

Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

The Son is not a created god.

Mat 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Jesus is God manifest in flesh which means He manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus.

Which He is the fulness of the Godhead bodily and He has the Spirit without measure.

But it was not a God the Son that was manifest in flesh but the Holy Spirit that was manifest in flesh.

There is no God the Son.

There is only one God who is a Holy Spirit, and Father is a title, and the Son is the man Christ Jesus.

Rom 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh.

Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law.

The Son got His start in the womb of Mary not before it.

Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Jesus is the only begotten Son of God because He is the only human to be begotten by God.

1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

The Bible says there is one God the Father.

There is no trinity.

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

The Son shall be called the everlasting Father for there is one God the Father.

Isa 52:5 Now therefore, what have I here, saith the LORD, that my people is taken away for nought? they that rule over them make them to howl, saith the LORD; and my name continually every day is blasphemed.
Isa 52:6 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.

Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

God said He would reveal a new name to the Jews and speak to them.

Jesus told Philip that if he has seen Him he has seen the Father.

And He does not do the works but the Father that dwells in Him He does the works.

Rev 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.

Rev 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him.

There is one throne in heaven not two thrones.

Which is the throne of God and the Lamb, God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.

The only person we will see in heaven is Jesus which if you have seen Him you have seen the Father.

Adam created in the image of God.

In the New Adam made in the fashion of Christ.

The image of God is the image of Christ.

In the beginning was the Word and the Word was God and the Word was made flesh.

God had the plan to come in the future in flesh and created Adam in that image.

Let us make man in our image has to include the man Christ Jesus for He is part of that image.

Baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

Those are not names but titles and name is singular.

The name is Jesus.

Jesus said He came in the Father's name.

The Son inherited the name from the Father.

The Holy Spirit comes in the name of Jesus.

Jews, Gentiles, and Samaritans, were all baptized in the name of Jesus.

All we do in word and deed do all in the name of Jesus.

Jesus at the right hand of God.

Jesus said all power is given unto Him in heaven and earth.

There is only one throne in heaven.

God's right hand represents power, wisdom, and salvation.

The man Christ Jesus is the mediator between God and men.

The Son must reign until His enemies are conquered then the Son shall submit to God that God may be all in all.

God exalted the man Christ Jesus to exercise the throne of power be at His right hand until His enemies are conquered.

Then the Son shall stop exercising the throne of power stop being at the right hand that God may be all in all.

There is only one God the Father.

There is no God the Son.

The Son is not begotten eternally

There is no trinity.

The only begotten Son is the man Christ Jesus.

So who is the Word of God? How can people be baptised in the name of the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit (Matthew 28:19). How could Jesus claim to be "I AM", the one who spoke to Moses at the burning bush. The Jews sought to kill Jesus because He claimed to be God. Since God is eternal, so is Jesus. Jesus was God before the incarnation, did not cease to be God while on the earth and is God right now.

In order for man to be made in God's image and likeness, there must be an image and likeness beforehand. So Father, Son and Spirit. That has always been so, because God is eternal.

There are so many proofs in God's word as to the divinity of Christ that Jehovah's Witnesses have to rewrite the Bible to hide the truth. What is your excuse?

 

[Just_A__Follower]

Mic 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

Jesus has no beginning.

Son means to have a father, be created, or else son has no meaning.

How can the Son be eternally begotten.

If the Son has no beginning then how does He have a father.

So there cannot be a God the Son.

Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

The Son is not a created god.

Mat 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Jesus is God manifest in flesh which means He manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus.

Which He is the fulness of the Godhead bodily and He has the Spirit without measure.

But it was not a God the Son that was manifest in flesh but the Holy Spirit that was manifest in flesh.

There is no God the Son.

There is only one God who is a Holy Spirit, and Father is a title, and the Son is the man Christ Jesus.

Rom 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh.

Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law.

The Son got His start in the womb of Mary not before it.

Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Jesus is the only begotten Son of God because He is the only human to be begotten by God.

1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

The Bible says there is one God the Father.

There is no trinity.

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

The Son shall be called the everlasting Father for there is one God the Father.

Isa 52:5 Now therefore, what have I here, saith the LORD, that my people is taken away for nought? they that rule over them make them to howl, saith the LORD; and my name continually every day is blasphemed.
Isa 52:6 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.

Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

God said He would reveal a new name to the Jews and speak to them.

Jesus told Philip that if he has seen Him he has seen the Father.

And He does not do the works but the Father that dwells in Him He does the works.

Rev 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.

Rev 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him.

There is one throne in heaven not two thrones.

Which is the throne of God and the Lamb, God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.

The only person we will see in heaven is Jesus which if you have seen Him you have seen the Father.

Adam created in the image of God.

In the New Adam made in the fashion of Christ.

The image of God is the image of Christ.

In the beginning was the Word and the Word was God and the Word was made flesh.

God had the plan to come in the future in flesh and created Adam in that image.

Let us make man in our image has to include the man Christ Jesus for He is part of that image.

Baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

Those are not names but titles and name is singular.

The name is Jesus.

Jesus said He came in the Father's name.

The Son inherited the name from the Father.

The Holy Spirit comes in the name of Jesus.

Jews, Gentiles, and Samaritans, were all baptized in the name of Jesus.

All we do in word and deed do all in the name of Jesus.

Jesus at the right hand of God.

Jesus said all power is given unto Him in heaven and earth.

There is only one throne in heaven.

God's right hand represents power, wisdom, and salvation.

The man Christ Jesus is the mediator between God and men.

The Son must reign until His enemies are conquered then the Son shall submit to God that God may be all in all.

God exalted the man Christ Jesus to exercise the throne of power be at His right hand until His enemies are conquered.

Then the Son shall stop exercising the throne of power stop being at the right hand that God may be all in all.

There is only one God the Father.

There is no God the Son.

The Son is not begotten eternally

There is no trinity.

The only begotten Son is the man Christ Jesus.

I guess you think Thomas was just confused.
“Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!””
‭‭John‬ ‭20‬:‭28‬ ‭ESV‬‬

Or when He saw satan fall. Does that mean satan didn’t fall til after His birth?

 

[wattie]

There is never a point at which Jesus wasn't fully God.

Before in the flesh... being in the flesh.. resurrected.. always fully God.

He did humble himself and empty himself in the flesh.. but never stopped being fully God.

 

[BBerean]

Jesus fulfilled many prophecies , that’s how the first followers believed. Check out the many prophecies and that’s the Best proof because you have the word of God in unchanging print . Also the NT was written by witnesses that saw Jesus perform miracles and saw Jesus in flesh and blood risen from the dead . The scriptures say the witnesses of 2 verify the truth . Many more than 2 witnessed Jesus alive from the dead , some many times . Praise God ! Set your self free ! Amen

 

[homwardbound]

I wasn't disagreeing with those things... was I?

I do not know, only between God and you knows.I was not accusing or excusing anyone or anything, so you know, thank you for asking. I am not in charge. I am not qualified. I see just love and share the love and mercy of Father and Son, done for us all to be thankful in daily, thank you