What does it mean to be Under the Law?

[wattie]

Romans 6:14
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Many look and say well this does away with Gods Law, that those who follow the Ten Commandments are 'legalistic'. That although they are 'under grace,' by walking in a path of obedience, that keeps 'the commandments' they are in danger of coming 'under law' again.

So is Paul saying that the Ten Commandments have any further claims upon the believer, that they no longer have to keep the Law. Well, Paul gives a answer to that as he knew that would be the question. So what does he say, lets look.

Romans 6:15
What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Paul makes clear that this is not so we can sin, but that under grace, those who truly believe will not go into sin as he states 'God Forbid' to such a thought. So what is Paul talking about here in Romans, well we get a clue in his letter to Corinthians.

1 Corinthians 9:20-21
20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

So what is Paul saying here, well obviously he is talking about the Jews versus the Gentiles, but notice he says a curious thing, 'being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ'. So what is Paul saying, well lets look directly at the words of Christ.

Matthew 5:20
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

This is clear, being under to law to Christ is beyond the level of the literal law, that it surpasses even what the Jews and their teachers thought it was and followed. The entire law, including both moral and ceremonial aspects, revealed by God, existed with a view to the coming of Christ at that point in history. The law was intended by God to keep before the minds of Israel and men everywhere that the real meaning and purpose of the law lay in the full and final revelation when Christ would come to this world. And what does Christ say, He says that ones righteousness would go beyond the law if one wanted to enter into eternal life. We see Christ laying it out to the rich young man.

Matthew 19:17
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

So Christ begins with the standard that had been given, to keep the Commandments, and the young man lays claim to doing that 'All these things have I kept from my youth up' but notice what he says next, 'what lack I yet?'

Jesus says to go beyond the law, so surpass it and give all 'and come and follow me.' Christ wants us to obey out a of love for God and neighbor that goes above the literal words given in the law, and that we know, we cannot claim ignorance...
Acts 17:30-31
30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

And we will be judge by this law of love that we are given which is the literal law, 'being not without law to God', and the level of love that surpasses even that, 'but under the law to Christ.'...

The 10 commandments are part of serving in a church. They aren't binding on receiving eternal life, but are part of the way a believer serves Jesus in a church.

Following commands cannot be done rightly until sin is forgiven the believer. An imperfect sinner cannot fulfill the righteous requirements of the law.

A saved sinner, saved by grace thru faith in Jesus is freed from the righteous requirements and so can freely do those commands.

 

[TMS]

Oil and water do not mix. Neither do grace and Law. And that's what too many Christians seek to combine.

I'm not advocating a life of immorality or rebellion. I do say that the Law is a shadow of the reality that is in Christ. Many want to live in the shadows. I prefer the light.

At the cross justice and mercy perfectly came together.
No law = no sin = no grace
Grace and the law are not contrary to each other.

Sin and disobedience is the enemy. It seperated Adam and everyone of us from God.. if everyone perfectly obeyed Gods laws there would be no need for mercy and grace. sin is the transgression of the law. And we have all sinned so we all need faith in God's grace.

Sin is defined by the law and sin has not changed. The morals of our perfect God have not changed.

 

[Inquisitor]

That doesn't follow. In Hebrews 11, it lists people who had saving faith in spite of having never read the NT, so that is not needed for salvation. Likewise, in the story of the Rich Man and Lazarus, Jesus affirmed that listening the Moses and the Prophets is enough. In Psalms 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith. In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way that he and Israel might know Him, and in Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so the goal of the law is to graciously teaching us how to know God and Jesus, which is His gift of eternal life (John 17:3).


In Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and God's law was how his audience knew what sin is, so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel that Peter argued that Gentiles had heard and believed, so he was affirming that Gentiles should obey God's law in agreement with the Pharisees from among the believers.


In Ezekiel 36:26-27, the New Covenant involves God taking away our hearts of stone, giving us hearts of flesh, and sending His Spirit to lead us in obedience to His law, which is accordance Gentiles receiving the Spirit and having their hearts cleansed, so again Peter was arguing in favor of Gentiles obeying God's law.


They ruled that Gentiles are saved by grace just as they are (Psalms 119:29-30), so the heavy burden that no one could bear was not God's law, but a means of salvation that is an alternative to salvation by grace, namely salvation by circumcision that was proposed by the men from Judea in Acts 15:1.

In Romans 10:5-8, Paul refers to Deuteronomy 30 as the word of faith that we proclaim in regard to the righteousness that is by faith proclaiming that God's law is not too difficult for us to obey and that obedience to it brings life and a blessing while disobedience brings death and a curse, so choose life! So if Peter had been referring to God's law as being a burden that no one could bear, then he would have been denying the word of faith that we proclaim and would have been in direct disagreement with God. Likewise, in 1 John 5:3, to love God is to obey His commandments, which are not burdensome, so if Peter had been referring to God's law as being a burden that no one could bear, then he would have been denying that God's commandments are not burdensome and denying that Gentiles should love God. The Psalms are express an extremely positive view of obeying God's law such as Psalms 19:7-11, so the NT authors should not be interpret as expressing views that are incompatible with the truth of what they considered to be Scripture.


Either Acts 15:19-21 contains an exhaustive list for mature believers or it does not, so it would be contradictory to treat it as being an exhaustive list in order to limit which laws Gentiles should follow while also treating it as being a non-exhaustive list by taking the position that there are obviously other laws that Gentiles should follow. It was not given as an exhaustive list for mature believers but as a list intended to avoid making things too difficult for new believers, which they excused by saying that they would continue to learn about how to obey Moses by hearing him taught every Sabbath in the synagogues.


God's law leads us to Christ because its goal is to teach us how to know him, but it does not lead us to Christ so that we can then reject everything he taught and go back to being doers of what it reveals to be wickedness. Even if someone lived in perfect obedience to God's law, then they still would not earn their salvation as the result because it was never given as a way of doing that, so that was never the goal of the law. If we need to have perfect obedience for some strange reason, then repentance would have no value, so the fact that repentance has value demonstrates that we do not need to have perfect obedience. The only reason why someone would need to have perfect obedience is if they are going to give themselves to pay for the sins of the world - the rest of us can thankfully have our sins forgiven.

Matthew 9:17
Nor do people put new wine into old wineskins; otherwise the wineskins burst, and the wine pours out
and the wineskins are ruined; but they put new wine into fresh wineskins, and both are preserved.

 

[Inquisitor]

My comment

The term "under the Law" means; all, every last one of the human kind are "under" sentence of death for the transgression of the Torah.

All have sinned and come short of the Glory of God and are "under" the penalty of death.

It does NOT mean, as most want it to mean, we are no longer "Subject to the LAW". No obedience is required

If that were so, then repentance would no longer be something we must do..

With out law listing what sin IS THEN no sin is possible.

And if Christ had abolished the Torah, why then did He die? With out Torah and the Commandments how would sin be possible.

as Paul clearly stated: Romans7: 7 What shall we say then? [Is] the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

1 Corinthians 9:21
To those who are without the Law, I became as one without the Law, though not being without the law of God but under the law of Christ, so that I might gain those who are without the Law.

So what does "under the law of Christ" mean in the NT?

I asked AI for a literal meaning of the "law of Christ"?


1. The phrase “law of Christ” (explicit)

Galatians 6:2

“Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.”​

This is the only place the exact phrase appears.
The law of Christ is fulfilled by bearing one another’s burdens.


2. What Christ Himself called His “law” or command
A new command grounded in love

John 13:34–35

“A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you… By this all people will know that you are my disciples.”​

John 15:12

“This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.”​

John 15:17

“These things I command you, so that you will love one another.”​

Christ’s command is not Sinai repeated, but love patterned after His own self-giving love.


3. The apostles identify love as the entire law under Christ
Love fulfills everything the law aimed at

Romans 13:8–10

“He who loves another has fulfilled the law… Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.”​

Galatians 5:14

“For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’”​

1 Corinthians 9:21

“…not being without the law of God but under the law of Christ.”​

Paul explicitly contrasts:

• not under Mosaic law
• yet under the law of Christ

4. The law of Christ is inseparable from the Spirit
Walking by the Spirit replaces law-keeping

Galatians 5:16, 18

“Walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh… If you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.”​

The Spirit produces what the law could not

Galatians 5:22–23

“The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.”​

No law governs or produces this fruit — the Spirit does.


5. Love is the goal of all Christian instruction

1 Timothy 1:5

“The aim of our instruction is love that issues from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith.”​

Colossians 3:14

“Above all these put on love, which binds everything together in perfect harmony.”​

6. Christ internalized the law — He did not re-externalize it
Law written internally, not enforced externally

Romans 8:2–4

“For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death… in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.”​

Love, not rules, defines knowing God

1 John 4:7–8

“Whoever loves has been born of God and knows God… God is love.”​

1 John 5:2–3

“This is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome.”​

7. Summary — NT definition of “the law of Christ”

From the New Testament alone:


The law of Christ is:

• loving one another as Christ loved
• bearing one another’s burdens
• walking by and being led by the Holy Spirit
• producing the fruit of the Spirit
• fulfilling what the law pointed to but could not achieve

In one sentence (NT-faithful):

The law of Christ is the Spirit-empowered life of self-giving love, patterned after Christ Himself, by which the righteous intent of the law is fulfilled apart from the Mosaic law.​

If you want, next we can contrast this directly with the Mosaic Law using only NT texts, or examine how churches subtly replace the law of Christ with another law.

 

[memberofthebride]

here is a thought:

would life here in the United States of America with out Laws, work?? absolutely not.

since we are all filled with human nature, we must have laws to control that sinful nature.

What the Torah and the Commandments therein, reveal to mankind is, --- the Divine Nature of God.

If you believe Paul and the prophet Jeremiah, they both, under inspiration, tell us that the Torah will become our nature.

and yet, "the Many" run from the Torah and the Old Testament like they were poison


to an unconverted person they are

 

[Gideon300]

At the cross justice and mercy perfectly came together.
No law = no sin = no grace
Grace and the law are not contrary to each other.

Sin and disobedience is the enemy. It seperated Adam and everyone of us from God.. if everyone perfectly obeyed Gods laws there would be no need for mercy and grace. sin is the transgression of the law. And we have all sinned so we all need faith in God's grace.

Sin is defined by the law and sin has not changed. The morals of our perfect God have not changed.

Go back into your Bible and find out what the purpose of the law is. Law is the opposite of grace. Law requires no faith. Anyone can follow a set of rules. If the law was enough, Jesus would not have required any more of the rich young ruler.

The sermon on the mount was a commentary on the law. God's standard of perfection is much higher than the law of Moses. For example, if an individual does not commit the act of adultery, under the law, he/she is innocent. However, Jesus said that even to look with lust is adultery.

God has given us a principle that is higher than the law. It is the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. The law of Moses brings death. Jesus came that we might have eternal life, not a better set of rules to follow.

Galatians 3:19 & 20 "For through the law I died to the law so that I might live to God. I have been crucified with Christ, and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.…"

Galatians 3:20 is one of the most quoted verses in the Bible and rightly so. I've heard few sermons on verse 19. Most people are happy to live by the law. I'm not. It's not enough. I need life, not a set of rules.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

The sermon on the mount was a commentary on the law.

The words of God are not commentary; they are the law

 

[Gideon300]

The words of God are not commentary; they are the law

Do you think the words of Jesus are not the words of God? Did Jesus sin by adding to God's word? What are you getting at?

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Do you think the words of Jesus are not the words of God? Did Jesus sin by adding to God's word? What are you getting at?

You called Jesus' words commentary. I don't think that word is compatible with the word law. What Jesus spoke was his father's law because Jesus only spoke what he heard from him. They go beyond the words of Moses as was promised in Deuteronomy 18:18-19

 

[memberofthebride]

Go back into your Bible and find out what the purpose of the law is. Law is the opposite of grace. Law requires no faith. Anyone can follow a set of rules. If the law was enough, Jesus would not have required any more of the rich young ruler.

The sermon on the mount was a commentary on the law. God's standard of perfection is much higher than the law of Moses. For example, if an individual does not commit the act of adultery, under the law, he/she is innocent. However, Jesus said that even to look with lust is adultery.

God has given us a principle that is higher than the law. It is the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. The law of Moses brings death. Jesus came that we might have eternal life, not a better set of rules to follow.

Galatians 3:19 & 20 "For through the law I died to the law so that I might live to God. I have been crucified with Christ, and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.…"

Galatians 3:20 is one of the most quoted verses in the Bible and rightly so. I've heard few sermons on verse 19. Most people are happy to live by the law. I'm not. It's not enough. I need life, not a set of rules.

Question:

did Jesus Christ ever instruct His Disciples to obey the Torah??

answer; yes He did

Matthew 23

1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:

3 All therefore whatsoever "they" bid you observe, [that] observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

the Pharisees knew the Torah but they, still today, do not obey it. Christ said, do not be like the pharisees, DO the Torah

 

[memberofthebride]

“The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:56‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Consider all the other things it says regarding it

“Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:4‬ ‭

“For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, for whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭1:9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:10-12‬ ‭

look at the warnings

“Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:2-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:20‬ ‭

“But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:18‬ ‭

“But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:6‬ ‭

“For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭7:12‬ ‭

Are you aware Jesus Christ instructed His disciples to obey, to do the Torah?


Matthew 23

1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: ruling by the Torah

3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, [that] observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

 

[Just_A__Follower]

Go back into your Bible and find out what the purpose of the law is. Law is the opposite of grace. Law requires no faith. Anyone can follow a set of rules. If the law was enough, Jesus would not have required any more of the rich young ruler.

The sermon on the mount was a commentary on the law. God's standard of perfection is much higher than the law of Moses. For example, if an individual does not commit the act of adultery, under the law, he/she is innocent. However, Jesus said that even to look with lust is adultery.

God has given us a principle that is higher than the law. It is the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. The law of Moses brings death. Jesus came that we might have eternal life, not a better set of rules to follow.

Galatians 3:19 & 20 "For through the law I died to the law so that I might live to God. I have been crucified with Christ, and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.…"

Galatians 3:20 is one of the most quoted verses in the Bible and rightly so. I've heard few sermons on verse 19. Most people are happy to live by the law. I'm not. It's not enough. I need life, not a set of rules.

Anyone can follow a set of rules? Nah. We wouldn’t need His grace if we could follow the law. Especially since the law goes way deeper than originally thought or explained by the author(s) of the Torah. As Jesus said in the sermon on the mount, it’s not about the action but the thought of the action.

However the law is still there and we are expected to follow it. Repentance is turning away from sin aka following His commands. If we do not follow His commands then we do not love Him and He does not know us. Why would He turn away workers of iniquity aka people who disobey His laws? We aren’t under the law because it’s what we have to do to get to heaven but we are under the law because we love and want to please Him.

 

[Inquisitor]

here is a thought:

would life here in the United States of America with out Laws, work?? absolutely not.

since we are all filled with human nature, we must have laws to control that sinful nature.

What the Torah and the Commandments therein, reveal to mankind is, --- the Divine Nature of God.

If you believe Paul and the prophet Jeremiah, they both, under inspiration, tell us that the Torah will become our nature.

and yet, "the Many" run from the Torah and the Old Testament like they were poison


to an unconverted person they are

Do the traffic laws in the USA control the driver's speed and behavior?

 

[memberofthebride]

Do the traffic laws in the USA control the driver's speed and behavior?

LOL nope

 

[Inquisitor]

LOL nope

Nor does any external written law change our behavior no matter how hard we try.

We receive the Holy Spirit and that is the internal heart surgery that the Lord performs.

True rightness is a gift from the Lord because we have no self rightness.

We rest in Christ now and forever.

 

[Soyeong]

Matthew 9:17
Nor do people put new wine into old wineskins; otherwise the wineskins burst, and the wine pours out
and the wineskins are ruined; but they put new wine into fresh wineskins, and both are preserved.

Jesus was asked about why his disciples weren't fasting and he responded by giving a parable about kinds of disciples that has nothing in particular with anything that I said in my post.

 

[memberofthebride]

“The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:56‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Consider all the other things it says regarding it

“Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:4‬ ‭

“For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, for whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭1:9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:10-12‬ ‭

look at the warnings

“Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:2-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:20‬ ‭

“But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:18‬ ‭

“But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:6‬ ‭

“For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭7:12‬ ‭

I will ask a question:

If the law i.e the Torah is what we have been "delivered" from?

if we are not "under the law" i.e. subject to it.

that means repentance is no longer necessary as well as baptism, is that not correct?

I do not know how to repent of something that does not exist or no longer applies to me.

and why, if there is no law codifying sin, why do I need to be baptized into the death of Jesus Christ for my sins?

Human nature hates being told what to do --- even what God tells us to do

so just utter some word and you are all good! right? under grace right?

 

[TMS]

Rom 6:14-16
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. 15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Not under law but under grace....

This does not mean the law is made void.
The next verse states that we do not sin.
God forbid, that we continue to sin.
Obedience unto righteousness.

It means the we are not under the penalty of the law because of the grace of Jesus. But this grace also enables us to obey the law.

Rom 8:1-4
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Is grace just given so we can sin?

No

We are given grace to overcome.
To be save from sin -- not saved in sin.

Act 20:32 And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.

Rom 1:5-6
5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name: 6 Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:

Grace does not mean freedom to sin. Many will be condemned by the law as guilty but by grace we can be forgiven and strengthen by Christ to overcome.

1Jn 5:3-5
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. 5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

By GRACE we overcome through faith.

 

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Rom 6:14-16
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. 15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Not under law but under grace....

This does not mean the law is made void.
The next verse states that we do not sin.
God forbid, that we continue to sin.
Obedience unto righteousness.

It means the we are not under the penalty of the law because of the grace of Jesus. But this grace also enables us to obey the law.

Rom 8:1-4
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Is grace just given so we can sin?

No

We are given grace to overcome.
To be save from sin -- not saved in sin.

Act 20:32 And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.

Rom 1:5-6
5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name: 6 Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:

Grace does not mean freedom to sin. Many will be condemned by the law as guilty but by grace we can be forgiven and strengthen by Christ to overcome.

1Jn 5:3-5
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. 5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

By GRACE we overcome through faith.

TMS

If I may, let attempt me to explain the word "Grace".
one of my problems today is the meaning of words, like Grace.
folks today can take a word and transform it in to what ever meaning they want,

Strongs
charis: Grace, favor, kindness, blessing
Original Word: χάρις
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: charis
Pronunciation: khar'-ece
Phonetic Spelling: (khar'-ece)
KJV: acceptable, benefit, favour, gift, grace(-ious), joy, liberality, pleasure, thank(-s, -worthy)
NASB: grace, favor, thanks, credit, gracious work, thank, gracious
Word Origin: [from G5463 (χαίρω - rejoice)]

Here is the way I view the word grace which is also kindness.

Before I was called, I was a 100% sinner, while I was this full on sinner, God the Father sent His only SON to be beaten half to death and then hung on a stake by nails and then stabbed with a spear and bled out all His Blood, His life on to the ground for ME while I was breaking all the commandments daily, laughing at christians ---that is the GRACE of GOD, the KINDNESS only God could have,

If any think I could let my son do this --- even now not a chance.

I hope this is helpful

 

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TMS

If I may, let attempt me to explain the word "Grace".
one of my problems today is the meaning of words, like Grace.
folks today can take a word and transform it in to what ever meaning they want,

Strongs
charis: Grace, favor, kindness, blessing
Original Word: χάρις
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: charis
Pronunciation: khar'-ece
Phonetic Spelling: (khar'-ece)
KJV: acceptable, benefit, favour, gift, grace(-ious), joy, liberality, pleasure, thank(-s, -worthy)
NASB: grace, favor, thanks, credit, gracious work, thank, gracious
Word Origin: [from G5463 (χαίρω - rejoice)]

Here is the way I view the word grace which is also kindness.

Before I was called, I was a 100% sinner, while I was this full on sinner, God the Father sent His only SON to be beaten half to death and then hung on a stake by nails and then stabbed with a spear and bled out all His Blood, His life on to the ground for ME while I was breaking all the commandments daily, laughing at christians ---that is the GRACE of GOD, the KINDNESS only God could have,

If any think I could let my son do this --- even now not a chance.

I hope this is helpful

God is love.
What wonderful grace..
We will study this for eternity..

Rom 6:15-16
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Gods Grace is not an excuse to sin.

We freely obey because of Grace. It is not a burden or hard thing. Love motivates us to obey.

Jas 2:10-12
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

It is the law of liberty that we keep by grace through faith.

Thanks to grace we are free from sin.

Free because we are Justified and sanctified by Christ.

I love Jesus to much to think sin is a small thing. Or to continue in sin that grace may abound..

1Jn 3:4-6
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 5:3-4
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.