Christ in You is the Hope of Glory.

[GaryMac]

Are all Begotten of God?

or is Jesus the ONLY Begotten Son of GOD and we are His Adopted Children?

I'm not going to "attack" I will give you scripture and trust the HOLY SPIRIT will reveal the Truth to your hearts for GOD Knows His own.

We will allow Vengeance to be HIS.

For beloved our commandment is not to judge others but out of love to speak warning and exhortation. out of love to keep our brethren from stumbling and sinning. to warn of wolves and of those who would deceive and devour the flock. If the sheep wishes to follow a strangers voice, then their blood is on their own hands.

1 John 4

7 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. 8 He who does not love does not know God, for God is love. 9 In this the love of God was manifested toward us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through Him. 10 In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins. 11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.


Praise be to God on High. To Jesus Christ our LORD and Savior who died for the propitiation of our sins, who washed us clean with His blood and freed us from the bonds of sin. Praise be to God who sends His Holy Spirit to be our Comforter, Our Teacher, Our Mediator who allows us to cry forth as Adopted children of God in praise and thanksgiving: Glory Glory Glory God Almighty, Maker of Heaven and Earth. Father be with us, reveal YOUR truth before us. In Jesus name we pray, Amen.


Romans 8:14-18
New King James Version (NKJV)
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 15 For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.” 16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, 17 and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together.

anyways for my True brothers and sisters in Christ, I will catch you on another thread.

Do a word search on begotten. You will see all who has what Jesus had are begotten of Him.

 

[MissCris]

God is love and He resides in man, Christ in you. I do not know how to make it any simpler for your understanding.

It's ok, I figured it out.

 

[GaryMac]

Well Gary has never answered a question from the start. He has taught against santifications work by the Holyspirit.
He streamlined it into a selfdeluding mantra. He has said that obeying Jesus commands....before the indwelling presence
is bondage. This is completely counter to what Jesus said in John 14:23.

Garys christ in him theology has no true christ in it. I say he is teaching a false gospel that entirely sets aside all
that the Christian life entails. It bypasses all that God intends to do with us in our santification led not by our mere
mental assent to a certain truth as the truth in John 17. He is simply telling folks they are their own savior and that
they better be a gnostic rather than a follower of Jesus and continue in His word and be His disciples.

He will respond and twist this around with either selfpity or presume more on what i believe which he doesnt
know or even discussed. Or position himself as if He was getting persecuted as Christ Himself. Even tho he has
already spoke the opposite of Christ making him a what?

The Christ that is in Gary is the same one who was in Christ Jesus as well. Same Spirit same mind. Christ means to be anointed of God. And anyone who does not have in them what Jesus had in Him I can see how it is false, Jesus was hung on a cross because they couldn’t see it in him either.

Gary isn’t telling people they can be their own savior at all, Gary tells people they cant be saved at all without Gods Spirit be in them. If you know a different way for His salvation than His Spirit be in you then you are barking at the wrong god.

Let me tell you one more time about Gary, Try and let this sink in.
Gary relinquished himself; a setting aside of self, repented from self, and Gary gave up the doctrines of man and put on the Christ. Gary received from God His Spirit just as Jesus did in Matt 3:16 and said recieve in you the same, and Paul, on the road to Damascus, and 120 in an upper room. After this event none of us were the same, we were like Him.

Gary has received in His being that which Jesus came to GIVE to us all and that is Gods Spirit in me, Christ in me. If you cant relate to that which Jesus came for to give you, then don’t condemn me only because that I can, repent and receive from Him His Spirit in you for yourself. Only because you have not received from Him that what Jesus did or 120 in an upper room or me don’t mean others haven’t, it only means you haven’t.

Abiding will respond and twist this around just as in this and other posts.

 

[MissCris]

I've not seen Abiding 'twist' anything...I've seen him take what was written and try to make sense of it...

Anyway, Gary, NOW you have actually explained. NOW you're making sense. Your other posts...did not. Your other posts made it sound like you were saying...

Well, we've gone over that. NOW I understand what you mean.

 

[cronjecj]

The Christ that is in Gary is the same one who was in Christ Jesus as well. Same Spirit same mind. Christ means to be anointed of God. And anyone who does not have in them what Jesus had in Him I can see how it is false, Jesus was hung on a cross because they couldn’t see it in him either.

Gary isn’t telling people they can be their own savior at all, Gary tells people they cant be saved at all without Gods Spirit be in them. If you know a different way for His salvation than His Spirit be in you then you are barking at the wrong god.

Let me tell you one more time about Gary, Try and let this sink in.
Gary relinquished himself; a setting aside of self, repented from self, and Gary gave up the doctrines of man and put on the Christ. Gary received from God His Spirit just as Jesus did in Matt 3:16 and said recieve in you the same, and Paul, on the road to Damascus, and 120 in an upper room. After this event none of us were the same, we were like Him.

Gary has received in His being that which Jesus came to GIVE to us all and that is Gods Spirit in me, Christ in me. If you cant relate to that which Jesus came for to give you, then don’t condemn me only because that I can, repent and receive from Him His Spirit in you for yourself. Only because you have not received from Him that what Jesus did or 120 in an upper room or me don’t mean others haven’t, it only means you haven’t.

Abiding will respond and twist this around just as in this and other posts.

Every born again believer knows this already, why are you going around the same old mountain as to emphasize that we don''t have what you have.

 

[MissCris]

Every born again believer knows this already, why are you going around the same old mountain as to emphasize that we don''t have what you have.

*gasp*

Are you picking a fight?

Kidding, kidding...

 

[zone]

The Christ that is in Gary is the same one who was in Christ Jesus as well. Same Spirit same mind. Christ means to be anointed of God. And anyone who does not have in them what Jesus had in Him I can see how it is false, Jesus was hung on a cross because they couldn’t see it in him either.

Gary isn’t telling people they can be their own savior at all, Gary tells people they cant be saved at all without Gods Spirit be in them. If you know a different way for His salvation than His Spirit be in you then you are barking at the wrong god.

Let me tell you one more time about Gary, Try and let this sink in.
Gary relinquished himself; a setting aside of self, repented from self, and Gary gave up the doctrines of man and put on the Christ. Gary received from God His Spirit just as Jesus did in Matt 3:16 and said recieve in you the same, and Paul, on the road to Damascus, and 120 in an upper room. After this event none of us were the same, we were like Him.

Gary has received in His being that which Jesus came to GIVE to us all and that is Gods Spirit in me, Christ in me. If you cant relate to that which Jesus came for to give you, then don’t condemn me only because that I can, repent and receive from Him His Spirit in you for yourself. Only because you have not received from Him that what Jesus did or 120 in an upper room or me don’t mean others haven’t, it only means you haven’t.

Abiding will respond and twist this around just as in this and other posts.

Gary who was Jesus before He was baptised by john?

 

[AnandaHya]

I know that my words are short and to the point and I do not mean to sound that way and judgmental, that is not my intent at all.

[COLOR=#000000[B]]Thank you for your honesty toward me, it reveals your character.[/B]
Gary

hmmm what happened I thought he was thanking Abiding yesterday for his honesty and character?

now he is slandering him and accusing him of twisting his words....

wonder if he will actually answer zone's question....

"who was Jesus before John baptized Him?"

 

[damombomb]

No one is perfect, we're all sinners. Human beings will always sin. When Jesus enters our lives we learn to be guided by the holy Spirit. But there are still minor sins we cannot help doing every day, like taking the Lord's name in vain, cursing, coveting, thinking lustful thoughts, etc. You'd be suprised how many petty things can be considered sins. My sister thinks lampshades are sinful.


The thing is, with Jesus, he frees us from our sins and we are forgiven.
With Jesus, we can do things right. We concentrate on love, hope, faith, peace, pateince, wisdom, prudence, the fruits of the spirit rather than everything that's wrong.


As for taking up our cross, what exactly does that mean? How can we hate our own families when we are supposed to honor our mother and father as part of the commandments? I thought Christians were not supposed to hate anybody, least of all our own families, we are to be full of love for everyone, God is love and we must have love or else we do not know God. Hatred is evil and of the Devil.

By taking up the cross, are we suppose to wonder around homeless and penniless preaching the gospel to whoever picks us up while hitchhiking? THat's outrageous! If I left my parents, my guardians, I would be locked up in a mental hospital. I feel like I am my parents' slave.

Seaprincess, when Jesus said ,he that loveth father, mother,ect more than me, he meant you must love him above all others,Thou shalt love the Lord thyGod with all thy heart,body mind and soul,doing
the work for his kingdom,if I stay home because my family does,nt want to serve him, I am not worthy
I should, put him first,God bless you!

 

[GaryMac]

Oh Ramon...wake up bud. First..no ive never had anyone banned. But i sure would try..when theres a
complete heretical teaching. Ramon the truth of John 17 isnt my issue. Thats how Gary plays his game.
Are you falling for it? Of coarse its Christ in us the Hope of glory. If you cant see the rest of his lies that
vehicle carries...then check what he says with the word and dont be lazy in that just because
he "tickles your fancy"

Jesus was accused of herecy as well for saying the same things as I.

 

[GaryMac]

This is the same Testimony Paul gave:

Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Rom 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

AND I SAY AMEN TO THAT!!!

Thank you very much,it backs up every thing I have posted about Christ in you, but these will read it from the Bible itself and still not hear it.

 

[Dude653]

Are'nt we all less that what Christ was? Can any of us die and rize again? Can any of us raize the dead with a command? Can our words heal or deliver? .. that would be a resounding NO!!!

 

[zone]

Jesus was accused of herecy as well for saying the same things as I.

who was Jesus before and after his baptism by john?

 

[GaryMac]

You are right, I need neither men, nor churches of men, nor the bible to teach me. Only the Holy Spirit of God, who teaches all men of himself.

And I have heard the witness of the Spirit of God in Holy men, and Holy women. And I have received their teaching, because I am a witness it is of God. I can hear the witness of God in them, so I can receive it from them, as I can receive it from Paul, as I can receive it from Jesus Christ, as I can receive it from Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and from Moses, and from all the Apostles of God, and from all the Prophets of God.

But I will not take it from a stranger. A stranger who makes himself, and herself a stranger by continuing in sin, and telling me that I will always be in bondage to sin. This is the lie. If Jesus has made me free, I am free indeed. Which is the lie?

I have not received from you.

But I pray one day I can.


May Jesus bless you.

Amen, Man didnt teach me, nor did I learn it, but by the revelation of the Christ. Paul

 

[zone]

Amen, Man didnt teach me, nor did I learn it, but by the revelation of the Christ. Paul

um.
did you hear the gospel preached or read it?

or did you receive personal special revelation?

do you preach God's words from scripture to the lost?

 

[GaryMac]

now you see he makes JESUS nothing, denies Him. He brings a DIFFERENT CHRIST and lies for all are NOT begotten. ONLY JESUS CHRIST was begotten of the Father, all others are ADOPTED.

this was posted today Ramon.

you find nothing wrong with GaryMac claiming to be begotten of Christ?

Not Adopted children but Begotten children?

Is Jesus just another man?

Is GaryMac a begotten son just like Jesus?

Do you agree with the BIBLE which says that Jesus is the ONLY Begotten Son and we are God's Adopted children, with His Holy Spirit inside of us?

Or do you agree with this man GaryMac who claims to be JUST LIKE JESUS and that GOD is not a man?

do you agree that everyone can be incarnated of God by having the Holy Spirit inside of them?

Or do you know the difference between INCARNATION versus BORN AGAIN?

Do you actually use your God GIVEN discernment and divide truth from lies?

Or do you bury your head in the sand and allow your flesh to make your judgments for you?

Do you know how to put aside your emotions and allow God's truth to reign?

Or will you react out of anger, bitterness or pride?

hey if you want me to stop talking to you as Red has requested then I can do that too.

Do you know another way for Christ be in you apart from Gods SPirit be in you?

I wander what God would have said if He wanted you to be like him?

Perhaps, Be as I AM and one with me, I in you and you in me as one. Or maybe have the same Spirit in you who was in Christ Jesus? Or perhaps walk as I walk. or let this same mind be in you who was in Christ Jesus.

Maybe -- Behold the kingdom of God is withn you, or you are His temple.

Be ye therefore perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect.

Gosh! I wnder what He would have said if He wanted these things of us?

 

[GaryMac]

Ramon i think you might be dizzy..."THE LIE" Is really closer to what you and Gary are so excited about.
NOT taking the provision for redemption God has given us and streamling it to just an accension to Godness.
Check out the fall...its just the same old lie as its always been. Especially this spiritual subjective gnosticism
you spout....when you were told to live by every word that proceeds out of Gods mouth. And in doing so
there are provisions you will deprave yourself from in rejecting His means and directions. All in the word...
and you openly reject, much of the way we have been exhorted and commanded to follow.

Would seem to me in your elite thinking and postured wisdom its more of a lack and trust in God than
your supposed nobleness, to rely on special revelation which is subjective and very prone to deception.

If you will notice the word of God is, Be one with Me, I in you and you iin Me as one. Let this same mind be in you who was in Christ Jesus, walk as He walks, walk in His same light, have the same SPiit in you. Be ye therefore perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect.

You are a funny person.

 

[Abiding]

The Christ that is in Gary is the same one who was in Christ Jesus as well. Same Spirit same mind. Christ means to be anointed of God. And anyone who does not have in them what Jesus had in Him I can see how it is false, Jesus was hung on a cross because they couldn’t see it in him either. Hey who is talking about gary here?

Gary isn’t telling people they can be their own savior at all, Gary tells people they cant be saved at all without Gods Spirit be in them. If you know a different way for His salvation than His Spirit be in you then you are barking at the wrong god.
Hey please tell gary hes got it backwards a person has to receive the gospel then receives the Spirit then they are saved
Let me tell you one more time about Gary, Try and let this sink in. Yo gary can you hear me? dont listen to that other guy.
Gary relinquished himself; a setting aside of self, repented from self, and Gary gave up the doctrines of man and put on the Christ. Gary received from God His Spirit just as Jesus did in Matt 3:16 and said recieve in you the same, and Paul, on the road to Damascus, and 120 in an upper room. After this event none of us were the same, we were like Him.
Gary if you can hear me...this is a work of the Holyspirit its not a choice we make, ours is just to believe..He does the rest.
Gary has received in His being that which Jesus came to GIVE to us all and that is Gods Spirit in me, Christ in me. If you cant relate to that which Jesus came for to give you, then don’t condemn me only because that I can, repent and receive from Him His Spirit in you for yourself. Only because you have not received from Him that what Jesus did or 120 in an upper room or me don’t mean others haven’t, it only means you haven’t. We all receive the indwelling spirit when we believe...which is the new birth..which is life...your telling people something else and gary will find out about this id bet.

Abiding will respond and twist this around just as in this and other posts.

Darn rights i will...your trying to see that people receive what they already have. Rather than teach them how to live in it. The message in John 17 is to comfort us...tell us to be in unity with each other...and be sanctified through out our life with the word of God...not just a highminded mental assent to a single spiritual truth

 

[GaryMac]

no Ramon you are not paying attention.

the conversation is NOT about the indwelling Holy Spirit. that is the TRUTH EVERYONE IN CHRIST AGREES WITH.

the conversation is the INCARNATION OF GOD IN JESUS.

the conversation is if JESUS is the ONLY BEGOTTEN of GOD.

the conversation is the Difference between being BEGOTTEN and ADOPTED.

you can put words in Gary's mouth and think you are doing him a favor but you are NOT.

you are giving him a license to sin and to hold on to the strongholds in his mind that war against the Knowledge of God.

I speak the Truth to my friends and expect the same courtesy from them. I prefer silence to lies and deception.

I ignore everyone else and leave them in God's hands, unless they directly address me.

Did Gods Spirit come and reside in Jesus when he was 30 years old and open heaven to man or not? Matt 3:16. Was not the incarnation of God in the man?

Begotten means an extension of, or a reproduction of the original.

Adoption is taking in to your family what you have as your own son or daughter and having access to everything you own -- Birthrights.

And as far as license to sin, in Christ there is no sin, Christ took away my sin. Do you know what sin is? Sin is to be separated from Gods Spirit, Christ in you, and the only one He cannot forgive you of if you deny His Spirit in you. Blaspheme of the Holy Ghost it is called in the book.

You speak YOUR truth the way YOU see it to your friends, just as I do. What you don’t see as truth is Christ be in you as He was in Christ Jesus. Everyone speaks truth according to what they understand. Jesus was hung on a cross because the truth of the ones who had him crucified lived in their own truths. Didn’t mean they knew the truth that Jesus held to, it only meant that their laws for tradition was their truth, much as we see in this forum. Truth is in Christ not what you think He or I should be.

 

[GaryMac]

No one has given anyone a license to sin. In fact, we say DON'T SIN, BE HOLY, BE RIGHTEOUS, BE PERFECT, EVEN AS YOUR FATHER IN HEAVEN IS PERFECT.

But we are called liars and heretics for this. Then you would be also calling Jesus a heretic, who said the same thing.

The stronghold is over the mind that is not renewed. I have heard him say we ought to have the MIND OF CHRIST! If our mind is not the MIND OF CHRIST, it is not perfect mind. Whereas we read, LET HIS MIND BE IN YOU THAT WAS ALSO IN CHRIST JESUS...

Is that mind in you? Are you perfect as he is perfect? Do you love your neighbor as yourself?

If I am deceived to believe the words of Jesus are true, even the words he spoke by his Holy men, then I will also say to the Lord, MAKE ME PERFECT LIKE YOU ARE PERFECT! HOLY, LIKE YOU ARE HOLY! RIGHTEOUS AS YOU ARE RIGHTEOUS!

May Jesus bless you.

Vey True Raymon, Thank you.