Christianity is not about having a confession stand.

[Underd0g]

I think i can recall three major church hiccups in my life so far, that has caused me to go on a church break for a while. maybe those breaks are needed sometimes, not sure.

Three? You live a charmed life.
My wife and I had to invent the phrase, "We're in between churches," just to have something to say when asked where we were going.

They would criticize us for being church 'butterflies'. Those same people have switched churches multiple times.
We were just the trailblazers.

The first church we left was a non-denominational mega church. The pastor covered up for a junior pastor who was seducing married women that he was supposed to be counseling. The head pastor sent him on his way to start a new church. A church, my friends followed him to, not knowing why the church split. I went because they were my friends, and eventually, I could see this ex-junior pastor was leading the church from his own personality and wouldn't hear from his congregation. We left before all the mess came to be public. My friends mocked me for leaving. They aren't my friends anymore. After a while, their spiritual judgment didn't align with our values.

That new church was eventually usurped by a random congregation and lost all its assets.

Oh, I got stories galore.

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[DallasMan]

I believe the confession stand is Dogma.

Jesus said by your words you will be justified and by your words you shall be condemned (Matthew 12:37)

So in your church will you also be ignoring what Jesus said?

 

[DallasMan]

If a priest acts on or discloses anything in confession he is instantly excommunicated.

They aren't members of the Body of Christ to start with due to not following the Doctrine of Christ.

 

[DallasMan]

My wife and I had to invent the phrase, "We're in between churches," just to have something to say when asked where we were going.

No need to make excuses for not sitting under false doctrine which is what the vast amounts of churches teach now.

The slow ones have not figured out they are being fed false doctrine so they continue feeding on it.

 

[Skittle]

They aren't members of the Body of Christ to start with due to not following the Doctrine of Christ.

Uh huh. Lemme guess, Calvinist.

And what is the "Doctrine of Christ" I missed that somewhere.

 

[DallasMan]

And what is the "Doctrine of Christ" I missed that somewhere.

Those who don't follow the whole counsel of the Lord would obviously miss it.

Hebrews 6:1
Therefore leaving the principles of the Doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

2 John 1:9
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the Doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

The doctrine of Christ is also known as the gospel of the Kingdom which is what Jesus taught
It's referred to as the Gospel Kingdom of God in Luke 16:16

Matthew 4:23
And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

Matthew 9:35
And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.

Matthew 24:14
And this Gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Mark 1:14
Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the Gospel of the Kingdom

Luke 16:16
The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the Kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

There are heretics among us that claim Paul taught some other gospel but they are agents of the devil as they failed to see what Paul said about those who do not following the teachings of Jesus Christ:

1 Timothy 6:3
If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

The Lord is saying thru Paul that we are to withdraw from those who refuse to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ

 

[JimiSurvivor]

The police will have a meeting with the priest after church, probably after Sunday. And then ask him for any information that he might know about anyone.

It's for that reason I want to change the rules, I want to make the church like it used to be. No confessions are to be made. And no one is ever to ask. You would know if they are the police, because they would ask.

You said "I want to make the church like it used to be. No confessions are to be made. And no one is ever to ask.
However, was the Church ever as you describe it? When I read the Bible I see that, far from forbidding mutual confession of sins, the text implies that there will be times of mutual confession of sin and that it can have beneficial effects:

The Apostle James, writing to the earliest Christians, told them:
"...confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person has great power as it is working (James 5:16)

James saw that confessing our sins to one another, together with prayer, can be healing. Of course, if that is to happen, confession has to be attended by the Spirit of forgiveness the people must have an attitude of grace and forgiveness. I have seen God move this way. Also, in my experience, "confession" of sin is directed towards those who are involved.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

You will find that in the modern church in the USA, they have the confession stand. Confess your sins before men and God to be forgiven of them. I do not believe in this practice, I believe it causes evil.

For example, the Roman Catholic church has been known to practice the confession stand for thousands of years. They have been known to become corrupt and use the confession stand for blackmail. I heard about this one church that was having sex with all the women because of the confession stand.

Today, I see the church of God being used as a snare, a trap, a pit for men to fall into. When someone comes to the church confessing their sins, coming to repentance, there is a police officer in each of these church, and he takes them to jail. They are convicted. This has given the Christian church a very bad image. The police officer gets rank up he's badge and pay rate, the church staff glory in catching someone with a sin.

There was a scripture but I do not know where to find it, it talked about this very thing, about using God's word to trap men, putting a snare before men, a pit for them to fall into. God hates that type of thing.

The apostles never had to confess their sins to Jesus. It was never about anything like this. People where called to repentance, but it was nothing about confession.

Have you heard any about the history of God church, before 0 BC in Israel. They never confessed their sins either. It was prohibited to ask or say anything about a man's sin in those church.

I would love to start my own church, for this very reason.

I believe the confession stand is Dogma.

I think there a lot of man made dogmas in churches of every town. That's good that you are attempting to rightly divide the word of truth.

As you pointed out, there are times when saved believers in Jesus Christ sin.
One misunderstanding is the public declaration of sins before the congregation. I am having a hard time thinking of this practice in the Bible too, with the exception in the NT in Acts 19:19

18And many that believed came, and confessed, and shewed their deeds. 19Many of them also which used curious arts brought their books together, and burned them before all men: and they counted the price of them, and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver. 20So mightily grew the word of God and prevailed.

We see that these were brand new believers. The demons they trusted in previously were rejected. The new object of their faith was Jesus. What was the right thing to do?
They got rid of the devices of divination that they summoned those spirits with. This was doubtless not their only sins, but demons were the object their faith and it encouraged many others to do likewise.

As anyone in the family, there are realistic expectations that should occur.
This does not add to nor detract the relationship one has with the family (salvation). These are just proper expectations of obedience. John the Baptist baptized spiritually born new believers. At the time they were taught to also do what?
Confess their sins.
What is the importance of confession of sins?

A. It cleanses us from all unrighteousness. I John 1:8,9
Since it's clear from context that this is Not a salvation requirement, but is written to believers, we see rather it's a post salvation requirement for Restoration to fellowship.
Example: when I was a child I committed a wicked rebellious act against my Dad. He took off his belt and whipped me.
That was very appropriate for me to receive. When we sin against our Heavenly Father, we better confess it or we risk chastisement.
If new believers are not taught to confess their sins to the Lord, then they will continue and wonder why they have no prayers answered and are always miserable.

B. Confession of sins to God is through the one mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus. He is our mediator as He also is the satisfaction of the Father's justice. He already paid for post salvation sins.

C. Old testament examples
Jeremiah 3:13 only acknowledged thy iniquity, that thou hast transgressed against the LORD thy God.
(Confession/acknowledgement of specific sins to the Lord.)

David explained how he confessed his sins to the Lord in Psalm 32
2Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile. 3When I kept silence, my bones waxed old through my roaring all the day long. 4For day and night thy hand was heavy upon me: my moisture is turned into the drought of summer. Selah. 5I acknowledged my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the LORD; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah.

Note his chastisement, suffering, complete misery when he kept silent. How did that change?

 

[JimiSurvivor]

Yes, DallasMan, there are those who try and split the Church into two halves one of which follows "Peter's gospel" and the other of which follows Paul's gospel. However there are not two different ways to be saved nor were there two covenants.

 

[DallasMan]

Yes, DallasMan, there are those who try and split the Church into two halves one of which follows "Peter's gospel" and the other of which follows Paul's gospel. However there are not two different ways to be saved nor were there two covenants.

These are servants of the devil, the tares Jesus spoke of who teach doctrine different from the Doctrine of Christ, aka Gospel of the Kingdom of God which is what Jesus taught and is what He taught thru the writing of the Apostles in the New Testament. .

 

[Skittle]

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The doctrine of Christ is also known as the gospel of the Kingdom which is what Jesus taught

You are not making any sense. I will bite though, in what way are they not following the teachings (how it is generally roughly translated A) or "Doctrine of Christ" (B) or Kingdom of Heaven? (C)

A=B=C

There are heretics among us that claim Paul taught some other gospel but they are agents of the devil as they failed to see what Paul said about those who do not following the teachings of Jesus Christ:

The Lord is saying thru Paul that we are to withdraw from those who refuse to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ

They refuse to follow your denominations beliefs so they must be bad.

 

[Brasspen]

I get it yes, it's needed. I have repented from my reason for wanted to make my own church.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

I have seen them do this thing. The police do sit inside the church, under cover. They listen in on people confession. It was made a law that if anyone makes a confession of any broken law, then it's the law you have to report that person. The law enforcement hold this law against the priest, and make him tell.

These events have taken place in Florida. Northeast.

A whistle blower in the F explained in an interview that every mega church has investigators planted in them.
I can confirm this in regards to 2 churches I've attended.
They seemed nice up until they started sowing division, and trying to turn others against leaders. Those were my handful of experiences in evangelical churches. I have no idea what motivates them.

 

[Brasspen]

A whistle blower in the F explained in an interview that every mega church has investigators planted in them.
I can confirm this in regards to 2 churches I've attended.
They seemed nice up until they started sowing division, and trying to turn others against leaders. Those were my handful of experiences in evangelical churches. I have no idea what motivates them.
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See I told you it was true, I was not delusional about it.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

See I told you it was true, I was not delusional about it.

I believe you.
I've known decent police who were honorable public servants.
One I supported was awarded for many acts of heroism. When he saw crime take place in his department and refused to go along with it, there were attempts on his life.
I've also seen other police commit horrible crimes.
They get idolized by too many.
This leads to satanic pride in some and too many temptations like those John the Baptist preached against.

 

[JimiSurvivor]

I have seen them do this thing. The police do sit inside the church, under cover. They listen in on people confession. It was made a law that if anyone makes a confession of any broken law, then it's the law you have to report that person. The law enforcement hold this law against the priest, and make him tell.
These events have taken place in Florida. Northeast.

I won't deny that this has ever happened, only that as long as I have been a practicing Christian I have never seen it. I have known of ministers who have fallen into sexual sins with young girls. There was no need for us to tell the law although I certainly would have had I been the "outcry person" In fact, as a Licensed Counselor the law requires that I report what a child or teen tells me even if I only suspect it. Not doing so, makes me a party to it.

 

[JimiSurvivor]

What churches do that? That is creepy and not how it is done in the Catholic Church.

It must be true if on the radio. If you believe that I have some ocean front property in Arizona you might like.
It would not have involved any mainstream churches.

My father was Russian Orthodox. I knew his priest and the Arch Bishop very well. None of them did this

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

I have seen them do this thing. The police do sit inside the church, under cover. They listen in on people confession. It was made a law that if anyone makes a confession of any broken law, then it's the law you have to report that person. The law enforcement hold this law against the priest, and make him tell.

These events have taken place in Florida. Northeast.

I doubt the vast majority of priests would ever do this, but have heard this happening in a communist country as a teen.
Of course this goes completely against their vows of the confessional, but I'm not an apologist for any church. I came out of Roman Catholicism. Do you mind me asking are you in a communist country?

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

I won't deny that this has ever happened, only that as long as I have been a practicing Christian I have never seen it. I have known of ministers who have fallen into sexual sins with young girls. There was no need for us to tell the law although I certainly would have had I been the "outcry person" In fact, as a Licensed Counselor the law requires that I report what a child or teen tells me even if I only suspect it. Not doing so, makes me a party to it.

Yes, I was an RN and must report too.

 

[Brasspen]

I doubt the vast majority of priests would ever do this, but have heard this happening in a communist country as a teen.
Of course this goes completely against their vows of the confessional, but I'm not an apologist for any church. I came out of Roman Catholicism. Do you mind me asking are you in a communist country?

I am in the USA. Some people call it communist country.