This makes you making reformed faith deformingly acceptable then, and I should accept my reformed faith is deformed
I wonder what helped you choose and decide your perfect excuse
Understanding unconditional election
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The reason Jesus wants to do the Father's will is because the Father's presence, mind, heart, and power resides in Jesus, and Jesus wants to show his love to the Father by obeying Him.
I asked AI: From John 3: 16, if A is the phrase "everyone who believes in him" and B is the phrase "will not perish", can this scripture be interpreted as not a conditional statement but as those who will not perish are believers?
AI reviewed 15 sources and came up with the following: Yes , it can be interpreted that way, and the Greek grammar gives some support for reading it as a description of a group (the non-perishing ones are exactly the believers), not just a bare condition.
The phrase "everyone who believes in him" translate literaly "every believing one", with the Greek word for "every believing one as a present participle functioning like a noun (the believer).
Many grammarians note this can be rendered "the believer" or "the believing one," which sounds more like a description of a class of people than a one-time "if you do X, then Y" condition.
So, reading your A= "everyone who believes in him" and B= "will not perish," John 3: 16 can legitimately be taken not only as"if A, then B", but also as "those in B (the non-perishing ) are exactly those in A (the believers).
God Almighty can do anything He wants. If He desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth, then all men would be saved and there would be no need for a savior. This cannot be the truth. The truth is that no human deserves to be saved and justice has to be upheld in God's kingdom. There are spiritual beings who are observing how God is dealing with humanity's imperfection. All humans are imperfect and God's Justice demands demands that all be condemned. If He condemns all, He would be merciless. If He saves all, He would be allowing disobedience and imperfection in His kingdom. To demonstrate His Justice and Mercy, He saves a few by forgiving their sins and perfecting them. Jesus the Lord and God of our reality died to save all men, but the Almighty God the Father who is the Lord and God of all realities including ours, chooses who He will save.. 1 Tim 2: 4 cannot be referring to the Almighty God.
God DOES desire all to be saved per 1Tim. 2:3-4! IF? This cannot be true?!
It certainly can, and the reason all need the Savior is because God also desires for His will to be resistible, which all do (Rom. 3:23).
MFW is what it means to be created as humans in God's image rather than as animals or robots.
MFW only exists when there is the possibility of choosing between two qualitatively opposite moral options that we call good and evil. These options are opposites because of essentially different consequences for choosing them. Choosing good results in blessing, life and heaven; and choosing evil results in cursing, death and hell (Deut. 30:19). This is why hell as well as heaven exists. It is the just consequence for choosing evil rather than God.
The Spirit of God is good: love, peace and joy (Gal. 5:22-23). Therefore, whoever rejects the Lord is spiritually separated from Him (Isa. 59:2) and thereby chooses the evil or satanic spirit of hatred, strife and misery and reaps the just consequence called “hell” in the afterlife (Gal. 6:7-9, Heb. 9:27-28). Evil people grieve God and punish/torture themselves by experiencing delayed karma, just as those who experience appropriate justice during this earthly existence also punish themselves or reap what they have sown and send themselves to jail. This view makes souls responsible for breaking the rules rather than blaming evil on the judges (or Judge) who enforce the rules.
The purpose of earthly punishment is to promote repentance, but the reason for retribution in hell is to attain ultimate perfect justice. It is difficult to imagine, but somehow even someone as evil as Hitler will receive perfect justice, perhaps experiencing the agony of the millions of deaths he caused in accordance with the principal of “eye for eye” (MT 5:38), after which their souls are destroyed forever (per John 17:12, Rom. 9:22, Gal. 6:8, Phil. 3:19, 2Thes. 1:9, 2Pet. 3:7 & Rev. 20:13-14).
You can think that ---but the scripture makes it very clear -----but your showing you don'y believe the scripture ------so you can't believe some scripture and throw out other scripture ----you either believe all scripture or you believe none of it ------
you can't change the Scripture to suit your twisted thinking ------
Your saying people do not have free will to choose to accept Jesus or reject Jesus ---your saying that God chooses to send people to Hell and that is False Doctrine ----
-We send ourselves to HELL for Rejecting Jesus Christ ---who took our Sin upon Himself -------
Your Blaming God for your own choice to believe Human False Doctrine from a Human False Calvinism Religion -who has twisted the Scripture in Romans 9 ----and other scripture ----that Calvin misinterpreted and made up his own Doctrine to ------
AI Overview
Predestination is seen as "wrong" by critics because
it challenges human free will, implies an unjust God who predetermines some to damnation, contradicts scripture about God's desire for all to be saved,
disempowers individuals by negating the impact of their choices, and makes evangelism seem pointless.
Critics argue it portrays God as a cruel dictator, not a loving Father, where real love and moral responsibility become meaningless if destinies are fixed before birth, say critics of predestination.
Core Objections to Predestination
Challenges Free Will: It suggests human choices and actions don't truly matter, as God has already decided eternal outcomes, reducing people to puppets.
Questions God's Justice & Love: If God predetermines some for hell, it's seen as unjust and sadistic, contradicting the idea of a loving, good God who wants everyone saved (1 Timothy 2:4, 2 Peter 3:9)
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Contradicts Scripture: Opponents point to verses showing God's universal desire for salvation, arguing these conflict with a selective predestination.
Disempowering & Demotivating: Believing one's future is set can feel hopeless; the idea of shaping one's own destiny through choice is more empowering.
Makes Evangelism Illogical: If salvation is solely predestined, preaching the Gospel to everyone seems like dangling false hope, notes this article from The Oops of Calvinism.
Reduces Moral Accountability: If sin isn't a free choice, humans can't be held responsible for it, and God wouldn't punish them for involuntary acts,.
Alternative Perspectives
Many theological views emphasize God's sovereignty while upholding human free will, suggesting God has foreknowledge but doesn't cause every choice.
Some traditions see God as working with human choice, not overriding it, allowing for genuine love and relationship,.
I say ----Calvinist Put God in a Box and Make HIM responsible because we Humans don't like taking the Blame for our own Bad Choices in this fallen world -----
all I have to say is awee you don't have to say you love me just because you canAll I have to say to That is
lol this message just reminded me of a song, the best ever version in my bookall I have to say is awee you don't have to say you love me just because you can
I thinks roman Catholics would do week to listen to this song and bind it to there conscience quite simply put
God’s Choice of His Elect is Unconditional and Eternal
The Scriptures teach that salvation is not dependent upon the choice of man, but rather upon the choice of God. God chose certain individuals in Christ BEFORE the foundation of the world, based solely upon His own good pleasure.
(Eph 1:4-5) According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: {5} Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Christ plainly told His disciples:
(John 15:16) Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
So, contrary to today’s popular theology, the choice is not man’s, the choice is God’s; and that choice was made before the world was. That choice was made without reference to anything of merit found in or "foreseen" in the creature.
(Rom 9:11-13) (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
{12} It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. {13} As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
(2 Th 2:13) But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: https://www.libcfl.com/articles/sovgrace.htm
The Scriptures teach that salvation is not dependent upon the choice of man, but rather upon the choice of God. God chose certain individuals in Christ BEFORE the foundation of the world, based solely upon His own good pleasure.
(Eph 1:4-5) According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: {5} Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Christ plainly told His disciples:
(John 15:16) Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
So, contrary to today’s popular theology, the choice is not man’s, the choice is God’s; and that choice was made before the world was. That choice was made without reference to anything of merit found in or "foreseen" in the creature.
(Rom 9:11-13) (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
{12} It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. {13} As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.(2 Th 2:13) But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: https://www.libcfl.com/articles/sovgrace.htm
If God chooses who will be saved and not saved without their choice then how is God's kingdom true love and God is not evil to condemn people who do not have a choice but to reject the truth and why would they be punished.
You can program your computer to say I love you but does your computer really love you.
And you can program your computer to say I hate you and will you get mad and smash your computer.
To believe God chooses our salvation without our input goes against the nature of God which would contradict the Bible.
1 Timothy 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
God wants all people to be saved and Jesus takes away the sins of the whole world so any person can have that salvation.
Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
1 Corinthians 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called.
If God chooses without choice then why is He calling people that cannot be chosen.
God will call a person according to their heart condition and will work in their life to get them to the truth.
But when they get to the door of truth they have to accept the truth for God's kingdom is true love.
But they would not accept the truth unless God intervened in their life for the flesh would not accept it on its own.
2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
And the truth is to hate sin, and do not want sin, and allow the Spirit to lead you to be Christlike.
2 Timothy 3:4 lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Some people do not accept the truth and deny the Spirit to lead them because they will not let go of the flesh.
And love sin more than God and do not come to the truth.
Which the blood of Christ does not wash away their sins.
Calvinism does not teach that a person can completely abstain from sin in this life
Rooted in the doctrine of Total Depravity, Calvinism teaches that all humans are inherently sinful and remain bound by a "sin nature" while on Earth.
Consequently, believers will inevitably commit sins and fall short of perfection.
But the Bible says a Spirit led life can abstain from sin and since the power is available it is required of us.
A person that accepted the truth if they sin they will repent not wanting the sin anymore and allow the Spirit to lead them.
Those who are not led of the Spirit will sin and hold on to sin and believe they are saved.
Romans 4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Luke 11:50 That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation.
God calls things that have not happened yet as though they already happened for if it is a plan of God to happen in the future it is the same as if it happened in the past for it will surely come to pass with no hindrance.
Predestination means God already had the plan to give mankind salvation from the foundation of the world.
And that salvation is to whoever wants that salvation for God wants all people to be saved.
You can program your computer to say I love you but does your computer really love you.
And you can program your computer to say I hate you and will you get mad and smash your computer.
To believe God chooses our salvation without our input goes against the nature of God which would contradict the Bible.
1 Timothy 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
God wants all people to be saved and Jesus takes away the sins of the whole world so any person can have that salvation.
Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
1 Corinthians 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called.
If God chooses without choice then why is He calling people that cannot be chosen.
God will call a person according to their heart condition and will work in their life to get them to the truth.
But when they get to the door of truth they have to accept the truth for God's kingdom is true love.
But they would not accept the truth unless God intervened in their life for the flesh would not accept it on its own.
2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
And the truth is to hate sin, and do not want sin, and allow the Spirit to lead you to be Christlike.
2 Timothy 3:4 lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Some people do not accept the truth and deny the Spirit to lead them because they will not let go of the flesh.
And love sin more than God and do not come to the truth.
Which the blood of Christ does not wash away their sins.
Calvinism does not teach that a person can completely abstain from sin in this life
Rooted in the doctrine of Total Depravity, Calvinism teaches that all humans are inherently sinful and remain bound by a "sin nature" while on Earth.
Consequently, believers will inevitably commit sins and fall short of perfection.
But the Bible says a Spirit led life can abstain from sin and since the power is available it is required of us.
A person that accepted the truth if they sin they will repent not wanting the sin anymore and allow the Spirit to lead them.
Those who are not led of the Spirit will sin and hold on to sin and believe they are saved.
Romans 4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Luke 11:50 That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation.
God calls things that have not happened yet as though they already happened for if it is a plan of God to happen in the future it is the same as if it happened in the past for it will surely come to pass with no hindrance.
Predestination means God already had the plan to give mankind salvation from the foundation of the world.
And that salvation is to whoever wants that salvation for God wants all people to be saved.
IF God judged people for not believing and GOD HIMSELF was the One responsible for their unbelief THAT would make God UNJUST.
A God who is not just is not the God the scriptures speak of.
22 The children struggled together within her, and she said, “If it is thus, why is this happening to me?”So, contrary to today’s popular theology, the choice is not man’s, the choice is God’s; and that choice was made before the world was. That choice was made without reference to anything of merit found in or "foreseen" in the creature.
(Rom 9:11-13) (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
(2 Th 2:13) But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: https://www.libcfl.com/articles/sovgrace.htm
So she went to inquire of the Lord.
23 And the Lord said to her,
“Two nations are in your womb,
and two peoples from within you from birth shall be divided;
the one shall be stronger than the other,
the older shall serve the younger.”
(Genesis 25:22-23)
The Prophetic significance of the struggle going on in Rebecca's womb was focused on the destinies of two nations and peoples that would come from the brothers rather than on the eternal destiny of the brothers as individuals. Historically, Esau the older brother never became a servant to his younger brother. However, much later in history, the NATION of Israel subdued the NATION of Edom.
You seem to be positing the ghastly notion that God literally HATES unborn humans, not necessary because of anything they have done but because God chose for them to become vessels of wrath. Possibly you bse this on the false teaching of Total Depravity which holds that God blames each and every human descendent of Adam for Adam's disobedience.
However, we do not inherit guilt from Adam only death. The Bible affirms the idea that the unborn, infants and children are INNOCENT. Of course, perhaps you are like the deceased Calvinist Voddie Baucham who referred to children as "vipers in diapers" One poster in these forums already told me that every human is guilty from CONCEPTION, meaning that God imputes evil to unborn fetuses which they could not possibly have done.