Replacement theology? Yes or No.

[ThereRoseaLamb]

 

[Beekeeper]

You do know the Book I have consulted. You won't answer, fine, making my point for me.

 

[GaryA]

What camp would you put me in then? I do believe that the Jews have a future national repentance ahead prior to the return of Christ Jesus. I believe that the unbelieving branches from Israel were broken off in the 1st century, those who rejected Christ, and that believing Jews remained in the tree, whereas believing gentiles were grafted into that tree. (One new man in Christ)

Where I would disagree with the full preterists and idealists is that they don't think the Jews have any guaranteed national renewal, and where I would disagree with the dispensationalists is the return to old covenant judaism during the kingdom period they believe is coming, and the blind support for the secular state of Israel.

This!!! Exactly!!! Thank you!!!

The only thing I believe differently is the 'future national repentance ... prior to the return of Christ Jesus' statement. My belief is that - technically - it will occur after Jesus has returned. Armageddon is aligned with the 6th Vial of the Wrath of God - which takes place after Christ has returned.

Also - to me - Armageddon is about [the] 'Jews' (resulting in them accepting Christ as their Messiah) - not Israel as a nation - and, there is a difference.

 

[GaryA]

As I have said before - the truth is in the middle of the scale - not at either extreme of the scale.

 

[GaryA]

Before Christ every nation had its own God; but now Jesus is lord and God over the whole earth.

Let me fix that for you...

Before Christ every nation had its own god; but now Jesus is Lord and God over the whole earth.

 

[GaryA]

I am espousing only that which is specifically codified into Bible prophecy.
All of which MUST be fulfilled.

Much of which has already been fulfilled...

 

[GaryA]

Aaahhhh yes the Second Coming.

Now tell us (if you can) who exactly is Christ "coming" for?
WHY is He coming?
WHEN is He coming?
WHERE is He coming (the exact location of "touchdown")
HOW is He coming?

And what if anything does the Church have to do with it?

The astonishing fact is that @Beekeeper @HeIsHere @ChristRoseFromTheDead @Charlesiii
do not even comprehend the Second Coming, its timing, its purpose, nor the prophecy it fulfills!

And they will not (because they cannot) answer those most basic, simple questions!

The Second Coming of Christ is the return of Jesus to set up His earthly kingdom. Many things will happen - all in their proper order - when/after He arrives.

 

[GaryA]

Also - to me - Armageddon is about [the] 'Jews' (resulting in them accepting Christ as their Messiah) - not Israel as a nation - and, there is a difference.

However, since it is called [the] 'time of Jacob's trouble', I will have to prayerfully "rethink this a bit" to perhaps reestablish how it all fits together in biblical/eschatalogical terms...

 

[GaryA]

However, since it is called [the] 'time of Jacob's trouble', I will have to prayerfully "rethink this a bit" to perhaps reestablish how it all fits together in biblical/eschatalogical terms...

Nonetheless, I still believe this statement to be true:

Armageddon is about [the] 'Jews' (resulting in them accepting Christ as their Messiah)

 

[GaryA]

Usually, this debate arises when people compare Dispensationalism and Covenant Theology. I find I can't subscribe to either one fully. There's a healthy middle ground and, if I remember correctly, it's called Progressive Covenantalism. We, as Gentiles, do not replace Israel, but not all Jews are going to heaven either. Belief in Christ is the only prerequisite to entering Heaven, no questions asked. But there aren't two peoples. Since we are grafted in, we are all one branch. So in the end, there are only parts of those two branches of theology that get it right, in my opinion.

Yes - in the middle [of the scale] - where the real truth of what the Bible really actually says exists. I do not know what it may be called other than that. And, I do not keep up with all of the different names of all of the different "movements", groups, etc.

Yes - the two extremes are part right and part wrong.

 

[GaryA]

Right. That's why it's been said that Replacement Theology led straight to the Holocaust. Six million Jews lost their lives because of that POV. That is why I argue so strongly against it.

You sure jumped fast from "it's been said" to a definite-sounding claim about the lives of six million Jews. (I am not saying that it did not happen. I am addressing your "led straight to" suggestion.)

Did Hitler believe in Replacement Theology?

I would find it very difficult to believe that any true born-again Christian would ever have/hold anything against a Jew (or, understand why) just/simply for being a Jew.

However, I can see where a Christian might suggest that there are those who say they are Jews but are not...

Revelation 2:

9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 3:

9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

 

[GaryA]

What camp would you put me in then?

I would put you in the camp of those "very precious few" who are able to see the real truth of what the Bible really actually says - instead of running to an extreme for the sake of 'comfort' or 'convenience'.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

You sure jumped fast from "it's been said" to a definite-sounding claim about the lives of six million Jews. (I am not saying that it did not happen. I am addressing your "led straight to" suggestion.)

I didn't make the suggestion, others have.

Did Hitler believe in Replacement Theology? I would find it very difficult to believe that any true born-again Christian would ever have/hold anything against a Jew (or, understand why) just/simply for being a Jew. Did Hitler believe in Replacement Theolo

Hitler argued that the "later" Luther—the author of the intensely anti-Semitic 1543 treatise On the Jews and Their Lies—was the "real" Luther, using this to validate Nazi hatred of Jews.

In his book Mein Kampf, Hitler recognized Luther as one of the great creators of German history.


The relationship between 16th-century theologian Martin Luther and 20th-century dictator Adolf Hitler is primarily defined by the Nazi regime's systematic exploitation of Luther’s virulent anti-Semitic writings to justify the Holocaust.

The Nazi party often cited Luther as a "spiritual predecessor" or "founder" of their movement, celebrating his 450th birthday in 1933 with a nationwide "German Luther Day"

In 1938, Bishop Martin Sasse explicitly linked the burning of synagogues on Kristallnacht to Luther’s birthday, urging the nation to hear "the voice of the prophet of the Germans from the sixteenth century". AI

The Nazi's even had a postcard made with a drawn photo of Martin Luther on it.

 

[God-fearing]

And yet another prophecy fulfilled

Jer 49:35 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Behold, I will break the bow of Elam, the chief of their might.

Jer 49:36 And upon Elam will I bring the four winds from the four quarters of heaven, and will scatter them toward all those winds; and there shall be no nation whither the outcasts of Elam shall not come.

Jer 49:37 For I will cause Elam to be dismayed before their enemies, and before them that seek their life: and I will bring evil upon them, even my fierce anger, saith the LORD; and I will send the sword after them, till I have consumed them:

Jer 49:38 And I will set my throne in Elam, and will destroy from thence the king and the princes, saith the LORD.

Jer 49:39 But it shall come to pass in the latter days, that I will bring again the captivity of Elam, saith the LORD.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Dispys with prophecy myopia are so pathetic

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Dispys with prophecy myopia are so pathetic

Funny how Replacement Theologists scream and cry about being called Antisemitic, but don't mind insulting and calling people names themselves. I guess they believe they're the only ones going to heaven so they can say whatever they want to people who disagree with them. Some people are going to get an awful shock on that day. smh

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Dispy is not a slur; it's an abbreviation. If you can think of a better one, I'm all ears

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Dispy is not a slur; it's an abbreviation. If you can think of a better one, I'm all ears

Pathetic? And yes, dispy is meant as a slur by you all but its a compliment to me because I know what the Word says.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Prophetic myopia is patheric because it's a self-centered eschatology that dishonors God by not honoring and glorifying him for having already brought his words to pass.

 

[GaryA]

Hitler argued that the "later" Luther—the author of the intensely anti-Semitic 1543 treatise On the Jews and Their Lies—was the "real" Luther, using this to validate Nazi hatred of Jews.

In his book Mein Kampf, Hitler recognized Luther as one of the great creators of German history.


The relationship between 16th-century theologian Martin Luther and 20th-century dictator Adolf Hitler is primarily defined by the Nazi regime's systematic exploitation of Luther’s virulent anti-Semitic writings to justify the Holocaust.

The Nazi party often cited Luther as a "spiritual predecessor" or "founder" of their movement, celebrating his 450th birthday in 1933 with a nationwide "German Luther Day"

In 1938, Bishop Martin Sasse explicitly linked the burning of synagogues on Kristallnacht to Luther’s birthday, urging the nation to hear "the voice of the prophet of the Germans from the sixteenth century". AI

The Nazi's even had a postcard made with a drawn photo of Martin Luther on it.

This is one case where I wish we still had the 'Informative' emoji...