THE REQUIREMENTS FOR ETERNAL LIFE ACCORDING TO JESUS

[Soyeong]

Anyone who thinks or teaches that Jesus did not follow the law in any way, is a false Teacher and in error.

If you can't follow all the laws, when asked if you do and keep them all; then try to justify yourself by saying not even Jesus kept all the law.

That person run from and do not listen too.

They're so hell bent on winning a debate, that they reduce the Lord Jesus to a common person (which is to profane) who sinned. IF Jesus sinned which is NOT to KEEP the LAW, he is not our Savior. This proves one thing. Pride and the objective of winning a debate at the expense of truth.

I'm not trying to win anything and I've said nothing that reduced the Lord Jesus to a common person who sinned. Jesus was not a woman, so he did not have period or give birth and there is no sin in him not obeying those laws. Calm down.

 

[vassal]

Christ spent his ministry teaching his followers to obey the Mosaic Law by word and by example, so while it is possible for someone to interpret Acts 15 as ruling that followers of Christ shouldn't follow over 99% of what he taught, I don't think that it is correct to do that. The topic that they were discussing was not whether followers of Christ should follow Christ but whether salvation is by circumcision (Acts 15:1) or by grace (Acts 15:11).

In Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and the Law of Moses was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel message, which Peter argued in Acts 15:6-7 that Gentiles had heard and believed, so he was siding with the Pharisees from among the believers (Acts 15:5) against the men from Judea (Acts 15:1). In Ezekiel 36:26-27, God will take away our hearts of stone, give us hearts of flesh, and send His spirit to lead us in obedience to the Mosaic Law, which is in accordance with Peter arguing in Acts 15:8-9 that Gentiles had received the Spirit and had their hearts cleansed, so again he was agreeing with the Pharisees. In Psalm 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far form him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey the Mosaic Law, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith, which is in accordance with Peter arguing in Acts 15:10-11 that Gentiles are saved by grace just as we are, so again he came firmly down on the side of the Pharisees.

Either Acts 15:19-21 contains an exhaustive list for mature believers or it does not, so it would be contradictory for someone to treat it as being an exhaustive list in order to limit which laws Gentiles should follow while also treating it as being a non-exhaustive list by taking the position that there are obviously other laws that Gentiles should follow. It was not given as an exhaustive list for mature believers but as a list intended to avoid making things too difficult for new believers coming to faith, which they exceed by saying that Gentiles would continue to learn about how to obey Moses by hearing him taught every Sabbath in the synagogues.


So the heavy burden that no one could bear does not refer to the Mosaic Law, but to a means of salvation that is an alternative to salvation by grace, namely salvation by circumcision. In Romans 10:5-8, Paul referred to Deuteronomy 30:11-20 as the word of faith hat we proclaim in regard to proclaiming that the Law of Moses is not too difficult for us to obey and that obedience to it brings life and a blessing while disobedience brings death and a curse, so choose life! So Acts 15:10 has been referring to the Mosaic Law, then they would have been dying the word of faith that we proclaim, they would have been in direct disagreement with God, and they would have been ruling that Gentiles should choose death and a curse instead of life and a blessing. In 1 John 5:3, to love God is to obey His commandments, which are not burdensome, so if Acts 15:10 has been referring the the Mosaic Law, then they would have been ruling that Gentiles should not love God and denying that His commandments are not burdensome. The Psalms also express an extremely positive view of obeying the Mosaic Law such as with David repeatedly saying that he loved it and delighted in obeying it, so if Acts 15:10 had been referring to the Mosaic Law, then they would have been expressing a view of obeying it that is incompatible with the view that the Psalms are Scripture.


God's character traits are eternal, so the way to know God through embody His character traits has existed from the beginning regardless of when God gave instructions for how to do that, which means that all of the Mosaic Law has existed from the beginning, not just the Ten Commandments. In Jeremiah 31:33, it uses the Hebrew word "Torah", which refers to the Mosaic Law, not to just the Ten Commandments. The New Covenant is made with the same God with the same character traits and therefore the same eternal and cumulatively valid instructions for how to know Him by embodying His character traits. If anyone has the goal of knowing God, then they will follow the instructions that God have given for how to do that regardless of which covenant they are under, if any.


Everything in the Law of Moses is either in regard to how to love God or how to love our neighbor, which is why Jesus said in Matthew 22:36-40 that those are the greatest two commandments and that all of the other commandments hang on them, so the position that we should obey the greatest two commandments is also the position that we should obey the commandments that hang on them. For example, if we love God and our neighbor, then we won't commit idolatry, murder, adultery, or theft, but we also won't commit favoritism, rape, kidnapping, and so forth for the rest of the Mosaic Law. The purpose of the Mosaic Law is to teach us how to draw closer to God through embodying His character traits, so while I agree that we should start off slow in order to avoid overwhelming new believers, we should also not neglect to teach them the fullness of how to know, love, glory, believe in, and testify about about God by embodying His character traits.

When someone says that Christ spent His ministry teaching people to obey the Mosaic Law, that statement needs to be handled carefully.

In the Gospel accounts such as Gospel of Matthew, Gospel of Mark, Gospel of Luke, and Gospel of John, Jesus constantly calls people back to God’s commandments. But notice how He speaks.

When the rich young ruler asked about eternal life, Jesus answered, “If you would enter into life, keep the commandments,” and then He listed commandments from the Ten Commandments, such as not murdering, not committing adultery, not stealing, not bearing false witness, and honoring father and mother (Matthew 19:17–19). He did not begin listing ceremonial laws about sacrifices or ritual washings. He pointed to the moral commandments.

In the Sermon on the Mount, He did not cancel those commandments. He deepened them. He said that anger is the root of murder and lust is the root of adultery (Matthew 5). He was not pushing people toward temple rituals. He was calling them to a clean heart and true obedience.

At the same time, Jesus did not teach the traditions that had been added by the religious leaders. He rebuked them for setting aside God’s commandment in order to keep their traditions (Mark 7:6–13). That shows He made a difference between God’s commandments and man-made rules built around the Law of Moses.

So was He teaching the whole Mosaic system? He lived under it, and He respected what God had given through Moses. But His focus was always on the heart of the Law, which is love for God and love for neighbor. He said that on these two hang all the Law and the Prophets (Matthew 22:37–40). That summary flows directly from the Ten Commandments.

In simple terms, Jesus did not preach salvation through ceremonial law-keeping. He called people back to God’s moral will, written in the commandments, and then He showed that true obedience must come from the heart.

 

[CS1]

How is it profane language or buffoonery to think that Jesus didn't give birth or have a period?


Some of the laws were only for the King, the High Priest, priests, judges, men, women, children, those who are married, those who are widowed, those who have servants, those who have animals, those who have crops, those who have tzaraat, those who are living in the land, and those who are strangers living among them, while others were given to everyone, so again no one was required to keep all of the laws. Jesus was not a Levite, so he also did not obey the laws that governed the conduct of Levitical priesthood.


No, Jesus was not required to keep the laws that don't have their conditions men, so there was no sin in him not obeying those laws. I have not made any personal attacks, but you sure like to make them instead of addressing what I've said.

LOL good try to clean up your error guy. 1. you were not speaking about Jesus giving birth or having a ministration. WE were talking about the law You trying to say because Jesus was man he did not have to obey reequipment of those who did give birth and have periods? The women with the issue of Blood did not touch him as RQUIED. Jesus also instructed her to go to the Priest.

FYI speaking profanely means to make one common with.

Then you say this :

" Jesus was not required to keep the laws that don't have their conditions men, so there was no sin in him not obeying those laws. I have not made any personal attacks, but you sure like to make them instead of addressing what I've said."

First off Jesus was a High Priest from the order of Melchizedek Not Aaron. And how forgetful you are when you called me and other false Prophets or suggested we were making Paul out to be one and tried to do so oh so subtly. Now you want to play the victim card. it was not I who suggested Jesus did not keep the LAW. Then ty to make it about men and women after you were called on it.


Let's ended it. I will not post on this thread again.

 

[CS1]

I'm not trying to win anything and I've said nothing that reduced the Lord Jesus to a common person who sinned. Jesus was not a woman, so he did not have period or give birth and there is no sin in him not obeying those laws. Calm down.

I am very claim, keep opening mouth insert foot.

 

[CS1]

When someone says that Christ spent His ministry teaching people to obey the Mosaic Law, that statement needs to be handled carefully.

In the Gospel accounts such as Gospel of Matthew, Gospel of Mark, Gospel of Luke, and Gospel of John, Jesus constantly calls people back to God’s commandments. But notice how He speaks.

When the rich young ruler asked about eternal life, Jesus answered, “If you would enter into life, keep the commandments,” and then He listed commandments from the Ten Commandments, such as not murdering, not committing adultery, not stealing, not bearing false witness, and honoring father and mother (Matthew 19:17–19). He did not begin listing ceremonial laws about sacrifices or ritual washings. He pointed to the moral commandments.

In the Sermon on the Mount, He did not cancel those commandments. He deepened them. He said that anger is the root of murder and lust is the root of adultery (Matthew 5). He was not pushing people toward temple rituals. He was calling them to a clean heart and true obedience.

At the same time, Jesus did not teach the traditions that had been added by the religious leaders. He rebuked them for setting aside God’s commandment in order to keep their traditions (Mark 7:6–13). That shows He made a difference between God’s commandments and man-made rules built around the Law of Moses.

So was He teaching the whole Mosaic system? He lived under it, and He respected what God had given through Moses. But His focus was always on the heart of the Law, which is love for God and love for neighbor. He said that on these two hang all the Law and the Prophets (Matthew 22:37–40). That summary flows directly from the Ten Commandments.

In simple terms, Jesus did not preach salvation through ceremonial law-keeping. He called people back to God’s moral will, written in the commandments, and then He showed that true obedience must come from the heart.

Very good observation of Matthew 22 I would say the reprimand was provided in Matthew chapter 23. When Jesus called those legalistic Pharisees hypocrites many times.

 

[Soyeong]

When someone says that Christ spent His ministry teaching people to obey the Mosaic Law, that statement needs to be handled carefully.

In the Gospel accounts such as Gospel of Matthew, Gospel of Mark, Gospel of Luke, and Gospel of John, Jesus constantly calls people back to God’s commandments. But notice how He speaks.

When the rich young ruler asked about eternal life, Jesus answered, “If you would enter into life, keep the commandments,” and then He listed commandments from the Ten Commandments, such as not murdering, not committing adultery, not stealing, not bearing false witness, and honoring father and mother (Matthew 19:17–19). He did not begin listing ceremonial laws about sacrifices or ritual washings. He pointed to the moral commandments.

The purpose of the Mosaic Law is to teach us how to know God by embodying His character traits and God's character traits are the basis for morality, everything in the Mosaic Law is inherently a moral law. In Luke 5:14, Jesus instructed them to show themselves to the priest and to make an offering in accordance with what Moses commanded, so Jesus did not neglect the moral laws that had ceremonial aspects.

In the Sermon on the Mount, He did not cancel those commandments. He deepened them. He said that anger is the root of murder and lust is the root of adultery (Matthew 5). He was not pushing people toward temple rituals. He was calling them to a clean heart and true obedience.

Everything that Jesus taught in the Sermon on the Mount was rooted in the OT. In Leviticus 19:17, we are instructed not to hate our brother, and if we correctly understand what is being commanded by the 7th and 10th Commandments against adultery and coveting in our hearts, then we won't look at a married woman with lust in our hearts, he was not sinning in violation of Deuteronomy 4:2 by deepening the law.

At the same time, Jesus did not teach the traditions that had been added by the religious leaders. He rebuked them for setting aside God’s commandment in order to keep their traditions (Mark 7:6–13). That shows He made a difference between God’s commandments and man-made rules built around the Law of Moses.

I agree that Jesus was focused on the heart, but obedience to the Mosaic Law has always been a matter of the heart.

So was He teaching the whole Mosaic system? He lived under it, and He respected what God had given through Moses. But His focus was always on the heart of the Law, which is love for God and love for neighbor. He said that on these two hang all the Law and the Prophets (Matthew 22:37–40). That summary flows directly from the Ten Commandments.

Jesus notably said that all of the Law and the Prophets hang on the greatest two commandments, not just the Ten Commandments, so everything in the Mosaic Law is in regard to how to love God and our neighbor, which is why those are the greatest two commandments.

In simple terms, Jesus did not preach salvation through ceremonial law-keeping. He called people back to God’s moral will, written in the commandments, and then He showed that true obedience must come from the heart.

We can't earn our salvation even as the result of having perfect obedience to the Mosaic Law, but Jesus saving us from not being doers of ceremonial laws intrinsically involves him graciously teaching us to be doers of them as part of God's moral will.

 

[Soyeong]

LOL good try to clean up your error guy. 1. you were not speaking about Jesus giving birth or having a ministration. WE were talking about the law You trying to say because Jesus was man he did not have to obey reequipment of those who did give birth and have periods? The women with the issue of Blood did not touch him as RQUIED. Jesus also instructed her to go to the Priest.

FYI speaking profanely means to make one common with.

I made no error. The fact that Jesus did give birth or have periods means that he never did what the law instructs when someone gives birth or has a period. Jesus instructing someone else to show themselves to a priest does not mean that he personally kept those laws. There is no sin in someone not following a law that does not have its condition men, so the fact that Jesus never did what the law instructs when someone gives birth or has a period does not mean that he sinned, which again support my point that no one has ever been required to keep all of the laws.

Then you say this :

" Jesus was not required to keep the laws that don't have their conditions men, so there was no sin in him not obeying those laws. I have not made any personal attacks, but you sure like to make them instead of addressing what I've said."

First off Jesus was a High Priest from the order of Melchizedek Not Aaron. And how forgetful you are when you called me and other false Prophets or suggested we were making Paul out to be one and tried to do so oh so subtly. Now you want to play the victim card. it was not I who suggested Jesus did not keep the LAW. Then ty to make it about men and women after you were called on it.


Let's ended it. I will not post on this thread again.

I didn't say that Jesus was a High Priest from the order of Aaron. I did not call you are any else a false prophet, but rather I said that if your interpretation were correct, then Paul was a false prophet according to what God instructed in Deuteronomy 13. I've not played the victim card and have not been called out on anything. You are just overreacting to things that you've imagined that that I said instead of interacting with what I've actually said.

 

[vassal]

Very good observation of Matthew 22 I would say the reprimand was provided in Matthew chapter 23. When Jesus called those legalistic Pharisees hypocrites many times.

Yes it was in Matt 23, the pharisees, did not follow the laws with Love, mercy and compassion and also added to the law to a point it became a real burden. Love is the core of the laws this is what Jesus came to teach them and all who would hear.

 

[vassal]

The purpose of the Mosaic Law is to teach us how to know God by embodying His character traits and God's character traits are the basis for morality, everything in the Mosaic Law is inherently a moral law. In Luke 5:14, Jesus instructed them to show themselves to the priest and to make an offering in accordance with what Moses commanded, so Jesus did not neglect the moral laws that had ceremonial aspects.


Everything that Jesus taught in the Sermon on the Mount was rooted in the OT. In Leviticus 19:17, we are instructed not to hate our brother, and if we correctly understand what is being commanded by the 7th and 10th Commandments against adultery and coveting in our hearts, then we won't look at a married woman with lust in our hearts, he was not sinning in violation of Deuteronomy 4:2 by deepening the law.


I agree that Jesus was focused on the heart, but obedience to the Mosaic Law has always been a matter of the heart.


Jesus notably said that all of the Law and the Prophets hang on the greatest two commandments, not just the Ten Commandments, so everything in the Mosaic Law is in regard to how to love God and our neighbor, which is why those are the greatest two commandments.


We can't earn our salvation even as the result of having perfect obedience to the Mosaic Law, but Jesus saving us from not being doers of ceremonial laws intrinsically involves him graciously teaching us to be doers of them as part of God's moral will.

I hate doing this but it is to save time and also because I do not know all of the laws of Moses by heart at this poin. Below is a breakdown of the laws of Moses that cannot be followed today, as I discussed with you in the past, I am certain there are mistakes in this list and we could debate for 1oo years but it is to illustrate that most of these Laws of Moses Cannot be followed today here is a compilation generated by AI it gives us a good overview, this list excludes the ten commandments;

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Temple & Sacrifice Laws (~200) — ALL Impossible Today​

These require a standing Temple in Jerusalem, which was destroyed in 70 AD

• Daily morning and evening burnt offerings
• Passover lamb sacrifice
• Sin offerings for unintentional sins
• Guilt offerings for specific wrongs
• Peace/fellowship offerings
• Wave offerings and heave offerings
• First fruits offerings
• New Moon offerings
• Offerings for each of the 7 feasts/festivals
• Incense burning on the golden altar
• Maintaining the menorah (lampstand) in the Temple
• Showbread placed before God weekly
• The elaborate Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur) rituals
• Consecrating the Temple and its furniture
• Purifying the altar with blood

Why impossible: No Temple = no altar = no valid sacrificial system

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Levitical Priesthood Duties (~50) — ALL Impossible​

Requires a functioning hereditary priesthood from the tribe of Levi

• Only Levites could serve in the Tabernacle/Temple
• Aaron's descendants alone could be High Priest
• Priests had to wear specific garments (ephod, breastplate, turban)
• Priests could not mourn the dead or become ceremonially unclean
• The High Priest could only marry a virgin
• Priests had to inspect people for skin diseases (leprosy)
• Priests had to bless the people with a specific formula (Numbers 6:24-26)
• Tithes paid specifically TO the Levites for their service

Why impossible: No verifiable Levitical lineage exists today; no Temple to serve in

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Civil & Governmental Laws (~100) — NOT Applicable​

These governed Israel as a theocratic nation-state

• Establishing cities of refuge for accidental killers
• Kings must not multiply horses, wives, or gold
• Judges must be appointed in every city
• Going to war with specific rules of engagement
• Utterly destroying certain Canaanite nations (those nations no longer exist)
• Stoning false prophets
• Death penalty for adultery
• Death penalty for homosexual acts
• Death penalty for cursing your parents
• Forcing a rapist to marry his victim (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)
• Levirate marriage (widow must marry brother-in-law)
• Slavery regulations and treatment of slaves
• Selling daughters into servitude

Why not applicable: Christians live under secular governments, not a Jewish theocracy

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Purity & Cleanliness Rituals (~70) — Mostly Obsolete​

• Washing hands and body before worship
• A woman is "unclean" for 7 days during menstruation
• Anyone who touches a dead body is unclean for 7 days
• A man is unclean after any bodily discharge
• Childbirth makes a woman ceremonially unclean (longer for a girl than a boy)
• Must wash clothes after touching unclean things
• Houses could be declared "unclean" and demolished if mold persisted
• The Red Heifer ceremony for purification (Numbers 19)
• Immersion in water (mikveh) for various purifications

Why obsolete: Jesus declared all foods clean (Mark 7) and Peter's vision (Acts 10) extended this to ritual purity broadly

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Agricultural Laws (~30) — Land-Specific​

These were tied directly to the land of Israel

• Let the land rest every 7th year (Sabbatical year)
• Year of Jubilee every 50 years — all land returns to original owners
• Do not mix two kinds of seed in one field
• Do not plow with an ox and donkey together
• Leave corners of fields for the poor (gleaning)
• Do not harvest your vineyard twice
• First fruits of the harvest belong to God
• Do not move ancient boundary stones/property markers
• Tithes of crops given to Levites and the poor

Why not applicable: Most people don't farm; these were specific to Israel's covenant land

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Dietary Laws (~20) — Lifted for Christians​

• No pork (pig is unclean)
• No shellfish (shrimp, lobster, crab)
• No eagles, vultures, owls, or ravens
• No insects except locusts, crickets, and grasshoppers
• No blood consumption (must drain blood from meat)
• No fat from sacrificial animals
• Do not boil a young goat in its mother's milk
• Animals must be slaughtered in a specific way (kosher)
• No eating animals that died naturally

Why lifted: Peter's vision (Acts 10:9-16), Jesus declaring all foods clean (Mark 7:19), and Paul's teachings (Romans 14, Colossians 2:16)

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Moral & Ethical Laws (~100) — STILL Relevant​

These are the ones Jesus affirmed and deepened

• Love God completely
• Love your neighbor
• Do not oppress foreigners
• Care for widows and orphans
• Pay workers fairly
• Do not take revenge
• Be honest in business (fair weights and measures)
• Do not spread false reports
• Do not pervert justice for the poor or powerful
• Rebuke your neighbor rather than harbor hatred
• Do not follow the crowd into wrongdoing
• Rise in respect before the elderly
• Do not curse the deaf or trip the blind

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Final Tally​

Category	Count	Status
Temple/Sacrifice	~200	Impossible
Priesthood duties	~50	Impossible
Civil/governmental	~100	Not applicable
Purity rituals	~70	Obsolete
Agricultural	~30	Not applicable
Dietary	~20	Lifted
Moral/Ethical	~100	Still valid
TOTAL	~570*

*Remaining after removing the 10 Commandments from the 613

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The Big Picture​

Out of 603 non-commandment laws:

• ~500 cannot or should not be followed today
• ~100 remain morally and spiritually relevant

And those 100 moral laws are essentially what Jesus summarized into two:

"Love God. Love people. Everything else hangs on these." — Matthew 22:37-40

 

[vassal]

The ~100 Moral & Ethical Laws of Moses Still Relevant Today​

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1. Laws About Love & Relationships with Others​

• Love your neighbor as yourself (Leviticus 19:18)
• Do not hate your brother in your heart (Leviticus 19:17)
• Rebuke your neighbor honestly rather than harbor silent hatred (Leviticus 19:17)
• Do not take revenge (Leviticus 19:18)
• Do not bear a grudge (Leviticus 19:18)
• Do not wrong anyone with words (Leviticus 25:17)
• Do not oppress a stranger/foreigner (Exodus 22:21)
• Love the foreigner as yourself (Leviticus 19:34)
• Do not mistreat or oppress foreigners (Exodus 23:9)

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2. Laws About Family​

• Honor your father and mother (Exodus 20:12)
• Do not curse your father or mother (Exodus 21:17)
• Do not neglect your parents in old age (implied throughout Proverbs/Deuteronomy)
• A man must not abandon his wife's rights to food, clothing and affection (Exodus 21:10)
• Do not commit adultery (Exodus 20:14)
• Do not uncover the nakedness of close relatives (Leviticus 18) — laws against incest
• A newly married man should bring happiness to his wife for one year (Deuteronomy 24:5)
• Do not divorce frivolously (Deuteronomy 24:1-4)

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3. Laws About Honesty & Business Ethics​

• Do not steal (Exodus 20:15)
• Do not use dishonest weights and measures (Leviticus 19:35-36)
• Use accurate scales and honest measurements (Leviticus 19:36)
• Do not move your neighbor's boundary marker (Deuteronomy 19:14)
• Do not keep a found item without seeking its owner (Deuteronomy 22:1-3)
• Return your enemy's lost animal (Exodus 23:4) — even enemies deserve fairness
• Do not covet your neighbor's possessions (Exodus 20:17)
• Do not covet your neighbor's spouse (Exodus 20:17)
• Pay what you vow — do not make promises you won't keep (Deuteronomy 23:21-23)
• If you make no vow, that is no sin — better not to vow than to vow and break it (Deuteronomy 23:22)

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4. Laws About Workers & Employment​

• Pay your workers on time — do not hold wages overnight (Leviticus 19:13)
• Do not oppress a hired servant (Deuteronomy 24:14)
• A worker is allowed to eat from what they harvest while working (Deuteronomy 23:24-25)
• Do not muzzle an ox while it treads grain — the worker deserves their reward (Deuteronomy 25:4) — Paul applies this to human workers (1 Corinthians 9:9)

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5. Laws About Justice & Courts​

• Do not give false testimony (Exodus 20:16)
• Do not spread false reports (Exodus 23:1)
• Do not follow the crowd into doing wrong (Exodus 23:2)
• Do not pervert justice by siding with the majority against the truth (Exodus 23:2)
• Do not show favoritism to the poor OR the powerful in lawsuits (Leviticus 19:15)
• Do not accept bribes (Exodus 23:8)
• Do not pervert justice for the stranger, orphan, or widow (Deuteronomy 24:17)
• One standard of law for both native and foreigner (Leviticus 24:22)
• A person shall be put to death only for their own sin — not their children's (Deuteronomy 24:16)
• Punishment must be proportionate — not excessive (Deuteronomy 25:2-3)
• Two or three witnesses required before condemning someone (Deuteronomy 19:15)
• Do not convict on the testimony of one witness alone (Deuteronomy 17:6)
• Judges must investigate thoroughly before deciding (Deuteronomy 19:18)

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6. Laws About Caring for the Poor & Vulnerable​

• Do not harvest the corners of your field — leave it for the poor (Leviticus 19:9-10)
• Do not go back to pick up forgotten sheaves — leave them for the poor (Deuteronomy 24:19)
• Do not pick your vineyard bare — leave some for the needy (Leviticus 19:10)
• Lend freely to the poor without expecting repayment (Deuteronomy 15:7-8)
• Do not be hard-hearted toward the poor (Deuteronomy 15:7)
• Do not send away the poor empty-handed (Deuteronomy 15:13-14)
• Cancel debts of the poor every 7 years (Deuteronomy 15:1-2)
• Do not oppress widows or orphans (Exodus 22:22)
• Do not take a widow's garment as collateral for a debt (Deuteronomy 24:17)
• If you take someone's cloak as collateral, return it by sunset (Exodus 22:26-27)
• Do not charge interest to the poor (Exodus 22:25)

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7. Laws About Respect & Human Dignity​

• Rise in respect before the elderly (Leviticus 19:32)
• Honor the face of the aged (Leviticus 19:32)
• Do not curse the deaf (Leviticus 19:14)
• Do not put a stumbling block before the blind (Leviticus 19:14)
• Do not mock or take advantage of those with disabilities
• Do not humiliate someone in public (implied — shaming = like shedding blood in Jewish tradition)

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8. Laws About Compassion — Even Toward Animals​

• Do not cause unnecessary suffering to animals (Deuteronomy 25:4)
• If you see your enemy's donkey collapsed under its load, help it (Exodus 23:5)
• Do not slaughter a mother animal and its young on the same day (Leviticus 22:28)
• If you find a bird's nest, do not take the mother with the eggs — let her go (Deuteronomy 22:6-7)
• Let your animals rest on the Sabbath too (Exodus 23:12)

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9. Laws About Speech & Integrity​

• Do not lie (Leviticus 19:11)
• Do not deceive one another (Leviticus 19:11)
• Do not swear falsely by God's name (Leviticus 19:12)
• Do not go about as a slanderer among your people (Leviticus 19:16)
• Do not do anything that endangers your neighbor's life through careless words or actions (Leviticus 19:16)
• Keep your oaths and promises (Numbers 30:2)

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10. Laws About Personal Responsibility & Safety​

• If you build a house, put a railing on the roof so no one falls (Deuteronomy 22:8) — safety codes!
• Do not endanger others through negligence (Exodus 21:33-34)
• If your animal is known to be dangerous and it harms someone, you are responsible (Exodus 21:29)
• Do not place a stumbling block before others — physical OR moral (Leviticus 19:14)

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11. Laws About Integrity Before God​

• Do not follow other gods (Exodus 20:3)
• Do not make idols (Exodus 20:4)
• Do not misuse God's name (Exodus 20:7)
• Do not practice divination, sorcery, or witchcraft (Leviticus 19:26)
• Do not consult mediums or spiritists (Leviticus 19:31)
• Do not turn to idols (Leviticus 19:4)
• Be holy, because God is holy (Leviticus 19:2) — the foundational call of all the laws

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How Jesus Summarized ALL of These​

Jesus didn't abolish these laws — he compressed them into their essence:

"Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, and mind." "Love your neighbor as yourself." "All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments." — Matthew 22:37-40

Every single law above is essentially an application of love — toward God, toward people, toward creation.

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Quick Summary Count​

Category	# of Laws
Love & Relationships	9
Family	8
Honesty & Business	10
Workers & Employment	4
Justice & Courts	13
Care for the Poor	11
Respect & Human Dignity	6
Compassion for Animals	5
Speech & Integrity	6
Personal Responsibility	4
Integrity Before God	7
TOTAL	~83-100

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These laws reveal something remarkable — 3,500 years ago, Moses was legislating concepts like worker's rights, disability rights, animal welfare, safety codes, judicial fairness, and care for immigrants. Jesus didn't replace these ideas — he radicalized them with love as the motive.
Would you like to explore how any of these specifically connect to Jesus' teachings in the New Testament?

 

[Soyeong]

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Civil & Governmental Laws (~100) — NOT Applicable​

These governed Israel as a theocratic nation-state

• Establishing cities of refuge for accidental killers
• Kings must not multiply horses, wives, or gold
• Judges must be appointed in every city
• Going to war with specific rules of engagement
• Utterly destroying certain Canaanite nations (those nations no longer exist)
• Stoning false prophets
• Death penalty for adultery
• Death penalty for homosexual acts
• Death penalty for cursing your parents
• Forcing a rapist to marry his victim (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)
• Levirate marriage (widow must marry brother-in-law)
• Slavery regulations and treatment of slaves
• Selling daughters into servitude

Why not applicable: Christians live under secular governments, not a Jewish theocracy

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Purity & Cleanliness Rituals (~70) — Mostly Obsolete​

• Washing hands and body before worship
• A woman is "unclean" for 7 days during menstruation
• Anyone who touches a dead body is unclean for 7 days
• A man is unclean after any bodily discharge
• Childbirth makes a woman ceremonially unclean (longer for a girl than a boy)
• Must wash clothes after touching unclean things
• Houses could be declared "unclean" and demolished if mold persisted
• The Red Heifer ceremony for purification (Numbers 19)
• Immersion in water (mikveh) for various purifications

Why obsolete: Jesus declared all foods clean (Mark 7) and Peter's vision (Acts 10) extended this to ritual purity broadly

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Agricultural Laws (~30) — Land-Specific​

These were tied directly to the land of Israel

• Let the land rest every 7th year (Sabbatical year)
• Year of Jubilee every 50 years — all land returns to original owners
• Do not mix two kinds of seed in one field
• Do not plow with an ox and donkey together
• Leave corners of fields for the poor (gleaning)
• Do not harvest your vineyard twice
• First fruits of the harvest belong to God
• Do not move ancient boundary stones/property markers
• Tithes of crops given to Levites and the poor

Why not applicable: Most people don't farm; these were specific to Israel's covenant land

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Dietary Laws (~20) — Lifted for Christians​

• No pork (pig is unclean)
• No shellfish (shrimp, lobster, crab)
• No eagles, vultures, owls, or ravens
• No insects except locusts, crickets, and grasshoppers
• No blood consumption (must drain blood from meat)
• No fat from sacrificial animals
• Do not boil a young goat in its mother's milk
• Animals must be slaughtered in a specific way (kosher)
• No eating animals that died naturally

Why lifted: Peter's vision (Acts 10:9-16), Jesus declaring all foods clean (Mark 7:19), and Paul's teachings (Romans 14, Colossians 2:16)

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Moral & Ethical Laws (~100) — STILL Relevant​

These are the ones Jesus affirmed and deepened

• Love God completely
• Love your neighbor
• Do not oppress foreigners
• Care for widows and orphans
• Pay workers fairly
• Do not take revenge
• Be honest in business (fair weights and measures)
• Do not spread false reports
• Do not pervert justice for the poor or powerful
• Rebuke your neighbor rather than harbor hatred
• Do not follow the crowd into wrongdoing
• Rise in respect before the elderly
• Do not curse the deaf or trip the blind

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Final Tally​

Category	Count	Status
Temple/Sacrifice	~200	Impossible
Priesthood duties	~50	Impossible
Civil/governmental	~100	Not applicable
Purity rituals	~70	Obsolete
Agricultural	~30	Not applicable
Dietary	~20	Lifted
Moral/Ethical	~100	Still valid
TOTAL	~570*

*Remaining after removing the 10 Commandments from the 613

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The Big Picture​

Out of 603 non-commandment laws:

• ~500 cannot or should not be followed today
• ~100 remain morally and spiritually relevant

And those 100 moral laws are essentially what Jesus summarized into two:

I do not agree that the Bible should be interpreted as setting aside any of God's commands, but I do agree that many of the Laws of the Torah can't be followed because they do not have their conditions met. We are not required to follow laws that do not have their conditions men, such as with there being no sin with Jesus never obeying the laws in regard to having a period of to giving birth. The Israelites were given a number of laws that had the condition "when you enter the land..." while they were still wandering the wilderness for 40 years. When the Israelites were exiled to Babylon after the destruction of the 1st Temple, then the condition for their return to the land was to first return to obedience to the Torah, which contains laws in regard to Temple practice that no longer had their conditions men, so when there are laws that we can't obey, then we should nevertheless be faithful to obey the laws that we can obey.

The Bible never lists which laws are part of the moral law and never even refers to that as being a subcategory of law. The existence of the moral law would imply that we can be acting morally while disobeying the laws that are not in that category, however, there are no examples in the Bible where disobedience to God is stated to be moral and I see no justification for thinking that it can ever be moral to disobey God. Morality is in regard to what we ought to do and we ought to embody God's character traits, so everything in the Mosaic Law is inherently a moral law. Legislators give laws in accordance with their understanding of what ought to be done, so for someone to claim that some of God's laws are not moral laws is to claim that God made a moral error about what ought to be done when He gave those laws and is therefore to claim to have greater moral knowledge than God.

If you want, then I can link to you Youtube series that goes works through each of the 613 laws and how they are applicable.

 

[vassal]

I do not agree that the Bible should be interpreted as setting aside any of God's commands, but I do agree that many of the Laws of the Torah can't be followed because they do not have their conditions met. We are not required to follow laws that do not have their conditions men, such as with there being no sin with Jesus never obeying the laws in regard to having a period of to giving birth. The Israelites were given a number of laws that had the condition "when you enter the land..." while they were still wandering the wilderness for 40 years. When the Israelites were exiled to Babylon after the destruction of the 1st Temple, then the condition for their return to the land was to first return to obedience to the Torah, which contains laws in regard to Temple practice that no longer had their conditions men, so when there are laws that we can't obey, then we should nevertheless be faithful to obey the laws that we can obey.

The Bible never lists which laws are part of the moral law and never even refers to that as being a subcategory of law. The existence of the moral law would imply that we can be acting morally while disobeying the laws that are not in that category, however, there are no examples in the Bible where disobedience to God is stated to be moral and I see no justification for thinking that it can ever be moral to disobey God. Morality is in regard to what we ought to do and we ought to embody God's character traits, so everything in the Mosaic Law is inherently a moral law. Legislators give laws in accordance with their understanding of what ought to be done, so for someone to claim that some of God's laws are not moral laws is to claim that God made a moral error about what ought to be done when He gave those laws and is therefore to claim to have greater moral knowledge than God.

If you want, then I can link to you Youtube series that goes works through each of the 613 laws and how they are applicable.

yes please link the video it will be very useful to me. also the moral law generally is the ten commandments, this is what I see in all the texts and articles I read or have read but these are mens distinctions the actual biblical texts do not use the same labels as you know.

as for setting aside some of the laws of Moses there is no choice in the matter some were for a time and before Christ. and there is nothing we can do about it. i know some will be restored eventually as described in prophecy. but it is not yet the time but soon I know it.

know that I am not against what you say and i appreciate your posts.

Blessings.

 

[CS1]

I made no error. The fact that Jesus did give birth or have periods means that he never did what the law instructs when someone gives birth or has a period. Jesus instructing someone else to show themselves to a priest does not mean that he personally kept those laws. There is no sin in someone not following a law that does not have its condition men, so the fact that Jesus never did what the law instructs when someone gives birth or has a period does not mean that he sinned, which again support my point that no one has ever been required to keep all of the laws.


I didn't say that Jesus was a High Priest from the order of Aaron. I did not call you are any else a false prophet, but rather I said that if your interpretation were correct, then Paul was a false prophet according to what God instructed in Deuteronomy 13. I've not played the victim card and have not been called out on anything. You are just overreacting to things that you've imagined that that I said instead of interacting with what I've actually said.

"I made no error. The fact that Jesus did give birth or have periods means that he never did what the law instructs when someone gives birth or has a period. Jesus instructing someone else to show themselves to a priest does not mean that he personally kept those laws. There is no sin in someone not following a law that does not have its condition men, so the fact that Jesus never did what the law instructs when someone gives birth or has a period does not mean that he sinned, which again support my point that no one has ever been required to keep all of the laws."

What ridiculous point. As a man he would not have given birth to children that is very evident. Your point is meaningless due to the fact Jesus was a man. To interject giving birth or having a period or the inability to do so because one is a man and in some way means The law concerning the time of uncleanliness was not followed is bad theology. The idea Jesus did not keep a law that did not speak to him because of his Gender or being a male is not to say HE did not keep all the LAW. In context it did not apply that why he did not do it.

"again support my point that no one has ever been required to keep all of the laws."


I asked you, do you keep all the required law that are applicable to you? Yes or no.

 

[Soyeong]

yes please link the video it will be very useful to me. also the moral law generally is the ten commandments, this is what I see in all the texts and articles I read or have read but these are mens distinctions the actual biblical texts do not use the same labels as you know.

as for setting aside some of the laws of Moses there is no choice in the matter some were for a time and before Christ. and there is nothing we can do about it. i know some will be restored eventually as described in prophecy. but it is not yet the time but soon I know it.

know that I am not against what you say and i appreciate your posts.

Blessings.

It says I don't have permission to send you a direct message, is there another way that I could message you?

 

[Soyeong]

"I made no error. The fact that Jesus did give birth or have periods means that he never did what the law instructs when someone gives birth or has a period. Jesus instructing someone else to show themselves to a priest does not mean that he personally kept those laws. There is no sin in someone not following a law that does not have its condition men, so the fact that Jesus never did what the law instructs when someone gives birth or has a period does not mean that he sinned, which again support my point that no one has ever been required to keep all of the laws."

What ridiculous point. As a man he would not have given birth to children that is very evident. Your point is meaningless due to the fact Jesus was a man. To interject giving birth or having a period or the inability to do so because one is a man and in some way means The law concerning the time of uncleanliness was not followed is bad theology. The idea Jesus did not keep a law that did not speak to him because of his Gender or being a male is not to say HE did not keep all the LAW. In context it did not apply that why he did not do it.

"again support my point that no one has ever been required to keep all of the laws."


I asked you, do you keep all the required law that are applicable to you? Yes or no.

My point has been that no one has ever been required to keep all 613 laws. For example, men are not required to keep the laws that are only for women and there is no sin men not obeying that don't have their conditions met. The issue of whether followers of Christ should follow his example of obedience to the Mosaic Law is independent of what I happen to be doing. What I happen to be doing is between me and God, but even if I were actively trying to commit as much sin as possible, then that would just mean that I would need to repent, not that I was wrong about the fact that followers of Christ should follow his example of obedience to what God has commanded.

 

[CS1]

My point has been that no one has ever been required to keep all 613 laws. For example, men are not required to keep the laws that are only for women and there is no sin men not obeying that don't have their conditions met. The issue of whether followers of Christ should follow his example of obedience to the Mosaic Law is independent of what I happen to be doing. What I happen to be doing is between me and God, but even if I were actively trying to commit as much sin as possible, then that would just mean that I would need to repent, not that I was wrong about the fact that followers of Christ should follow his example of obedience to what God has commanded.

That was not my question. I asked you if you keep all the Law in context to you.

Now you want to tell everyone Follow the Law and if you don't, you're sinning. BUT when you are asked to tell us if you do that between you are God. Then shut up about asking if anyone else does that too is between them and GOD.


"but even if I were actively trying to commit as much sin as possible, then that would just mean that I would need to repent, not that I was wrong about the fact that followers of Christ should follow his example of obedience to what God has commanded."


What a hypocrite. You say if you are actively sinning as much as possible that would mean you just need to repent. LOL what a joke.

You get to actively practice sinning as long as you repent which means to stop going the direction you are going and return to GOD.


You made a standard that you can't keep and then try to tell other to keep what you can't. So, you can't keep the law.

 

[Soyeong]

That was not my question. I asked you if you keep all the Law in context to you.

Now you want to tell everyone Follow the Law and if you don't, you're sinning. BUT when you are asked to tell us if you do that between you are God. Then shut up about asking if anyone else does that too is between them and GOD.


"but even if I were actively trying to commit as much sin as possible, then that would just mean that I would need to repent, not that I was wrong about the fact that followers of Christ should follow his example of obedience to what God has commanded."


What a hypocrite. You say if you are actively sinning as much as possible that would mean you just need to repent. LOL what a joke.

You get to actively practice sinning as long as you repent which means to stop going the direction you are going and return to GOD.


You made a standard that you can't keep and then try to tell other to keep what you can't. So, you can't keep the law.

It is true that we should refrain from doing what God has revealed to be sin regardless of what I happen to be doing. Even if I were the biggest hypocrite in the world, then that would just mean that I would need to repent, not that I was wrong about the fact that we should refrain from doing what God has revealed to be sin. According to Christianity, someone can actively try to commit as much sin as they can, then sincerely repent and have their sins forgiven, though we should not commit sin with the plan to repent later. I was going to the extreme in order to make the point that what I happened to be doing is independent of whether followers of Christ should follow his example of obedience to what God has commanded. I have not made a standard that I can't keep and it is false that I can't keep the law.

 

[CS1]

It is true that we should refrain from doing what God has revealed to be sin regardless of what I happen to be doing. Even if I were the biggest hypocrite in the world, then that would just mean that I would need to repent, not that I was wrong about the fact that we should refrain from doing what God has revealed to be sin. According to Christianity, someone can actively try to commit as much sin as they can, then sincerely repent and have their sins forgiven, though we should not commit sin with the plan to repent later. I was going to the extreme in order to make the point that what I happened to be doing is independent of whether followers of Christ should follow his example of obedience to what God has commanded. I have not made a standard that I can't keep and it is false that I can't keep the law.

Then repent and be done with it.


"I have not made a standard that I can't keep and it is false that I can't keep the law."

So, do you follow and keep all the laws as required yes or no?

 

[Soyeong]

Then repent and be done with it.


"I have not made a standard that I can't keep and it is false that I can't keep the law."

So, do you follow and keep all the laws as required yes or no?

It still remains true that followers of Christ should follow his example of obedience to what God has commanded.

 

[posthuman]

what the text actually says.

the young rich man who did not earn his earthly riches and thinks he can earn salvation by works says,

"hey wise man, what should I myself do?"

God enfleshed says,

"why don't you know I AM? look at the law of sin and death, by which righteousness cannot be attained."

the fool and liar says,

"i have no sin but I realize the law isn't enough"

and God loves him because he has recognized that works cannot save.