Revolution in Iran

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Proof that these prophecies were not fulfilled 70 AD.

Psalm 83:13 O my God, make them like a wheel; as the stubble before the wind. 14 As the fire burneth a wood, and as the flame setteth the mountains on fire; 15 So persecute them with thy tempest, and make them afraid with thy storm. 16 Fill their faces with shame; that they may seek thy name, O Lord. 17 Let them be confounded and troubled for ever; yea, let them be put to shame, and perish: 18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is Jehovah, art the most high over all the earth.

The groups of people mentioned in this Psalm were never in a coalition prior to 2023 in a war against Israel. But clearly, this part of the prophecy was not fulfilled concerning Gaza until now.

Jeremiah 49:38 And I will set my throne in Elam, and will destroy from thence the king and the princes, saith the Lord. 39 But it shall come to pass in the latter days, that I will bring again the captivity of Elam, saith the Lord.

While Khameni and the IRGC ruled Iran you cannot say that the Lord's throne was there, so then this prophecy also could not have been fulfilled before now.

Matthew 24:37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Prior to now with the threat of worldwide nuclear war there has not been a threat to the extermination of all the animals on earth as it was in the days of Noah.

Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Never in human history prior to today has anyone had the capability to do this. It would require Starlink satellites to cover the globe, RFID chips, Quantum computers. And one world digital currency. We now have the capability and yet even now it seems hard to believe this could be implemented any time soon.

Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

We can all think of many like this from David Koresh to Jim Jones. However, this is a sign that precedes the second coming of the Lord. This will not take place after the second coming.

6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

WW1, WW2, the current conflicts, these are the "Beginning of sorrows". This doesn't take place after the second coming. These are signs that take place prior to the Lord's coming.

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Global evangelism began with Britain, shifted into second gear after WW1, and now with Youtube is truly global. The idea that the gospel had been preached in all the world in 70 AD is absurd.

Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

This also has not been fulfilled.

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

This was not fulfilled prior to the first Gulf War. That was the first time in human history that we, living in the West were able to see the "lightning fall" in the East at the speed of light, fiber optic cables and satellite communication used by CNN.
 
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HeIsHere said:
I will go with the words of Christ Jesus who I trust above all .. His words need no defense.

When YOU see these things....

This generation...

"But the end of all things is at hand; therefore be self-controlled and sober-minded for the sake of your prayers."
1 Peter 4:7
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cv5 said:
Wrong. It is a known fact that these Apostles were NOT present during the siege of Jerusalem and destruction of the Temple in 70AD.
The use of the "prophetic you" is boilerplate Biblical reality here and hundred of other case usages.

There is no solid evidence that Peter, James (son of Zebedee), John, or Andrew were physically present in Jerusalem when the Romans destroyed the Temple in A.D. 70.

Let’s look at each briefly.

1️⃣ Peter the Apostle

Traditionally martyred in Rome under Nero (~A.D. 64–67).

That is several years before the destruction of Jerusalem in 70.

2️⃣ James, son of Zebedee

Executed by Herod Agrippa I (Acts 12:2).

Around A.D. 44.

Long before 70.

3️⃣ Andrew the Apostle

Traditionally martyred in Greece (Patras).

Date uncertain, but usually placed before 70.

4️⃣ John the Apostle

Lived longer than the others.

Later associated with Ephesus.

No reliable evidence places him in Jerusalem during the siege.
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You will notice He goes back and starts at the beginning and nowhere does He tell them they will all witness the destruction of Temple but the signs to look for, and of course this was passed onto the new converts to know about.

Jesus wins every time.;)
 
cv5 said:
I think that there are a lot of command and control elites and party loyalists who are full of regrets right about now.
Buried in a bunker with the exits blocked by tons of debris and no power air or water is a bad way to go.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2029206476464476384
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A moment of silence as we pray that with their last breath they repent and turn to the Lord Jesus. Amen.
 
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ZNP said:
Proof that these prophecies were not fulfilled 70 AD.

Psalm 83:13 O my God, make them like a wheel; as the stubble before the wind. 14 As the fire burneth a wood, and as the flame setteth the mountains on fire; 15 So persecute them with thy tempest, and make them afraid with thy storm. 16 Fill their faces with shame; that they may seek thy name, O Lord. 17 Let them be confounded and troubled for ever; yea, let them be put to shame, and perish: 18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is Jehovah, art the most high over all the earth.

The groups of people mentioned in this Psalm were never in a coalition prior to 2023 in a war against Israel. But clearly, this part of the prophecy was not fulfilled concerning Gaza until now.

Jeremiah 49:38 And I will set my throne in Elam, and will destroy from thence the king and the princes, saith the Lord. 39 But it shall come to pass in the latter days, that I will bring again the captivity of Elam, saith the Lord.

While Khameni and the IRGC ruled Iran you cannot say that the Lord's throne was there, so then this prophecy also could not have been fulfilled before now.

Matthew 24:37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Prior to now with the threat of worldwide nuclear war there has not been a threat to the extermination of all the animals on earth as it was in the days of Noah.

Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Never in human history prior to today has anyone had the capability to do this. It would require Starlink satellites to cover the globe, RFID chips, Quantum computers. And one world digital currency. We now have the capability and yet even now it seems hard to believe this could be implemented any time soon.

Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

We can all think of many like this from David Koresh to Jim Jones. However, this is a sign that precedes the second coming of the Lord. This will not take place after the second coming.

6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

WW1, WW2, the current conflicts, these are the "Beginning of sorrows". This doesn't take place after the second coming. These are signs that take place prior to the Lord's coming.

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Global evangelism began with Britain, shifted into second gear after WW1, and now with Youtube is truly global. The idea that the gospel had been preached in all the world in 70 AD is absurd.

Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

This also has not been fulfilled.

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

This was not fulfilled prior to the first Gulf War. That was the first time in human history that we, living in the West were able to see the "lightning fall" in the East at the speed of light, fiber optic cables and satellite communication used by CNN.
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Just to start using one of the correct hermeneutic approaches of historical context ... "wars and rumor of wars" would have been

directly understood by His audience as a connection to the Pax Romana, because the Romans described their "empire" as

politically stable and peaceful.... but conflicts were coming.

I know you guys are not going to move on this so I see no point debating further.
 
cv5 said:
I think that there are a lot of command and control elites and party loyalists who are full of regrets right about now.
Buried in a bunker with the exits blocked by tons of debris and no power air or water is a bad way to go.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2029206476464476384
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They have prepared for all this.

As long as they can keep the Strait of Hormuz closed and continue the economic warfare they will not be defeated and we also know that BRICS needs that Strait functional so they will assist if needed.

All this was practiced through drills in anticipation of this war.
 
HeIsHere said:
You will notice He goes back and starts at the beginning and nowhere does He tell them they will all witness the destruction of Temple but the signs to look for, and of course this was passed onto the new converts to know about.

Jesus wins every time.;)
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Look, you have just contravened your own hermeneutic principles.
And what you opine is obviously absurd and definitely does not square with the facts.

But most importantly, the prophetic Passover pattern and prophetic 7 feasts of Moses pattern have NOT been completed.
NONE of the fall feasts have yet been fulfilled. And these latter feasts fulfillments are described in profound vast and florid detail by the prophets all the way back to Moses. And then by Jesus Who amplifies and confirms them and then finally by John. Including Daniel 9, 7 and 12 of course, and all of the "until" statement of Jesus as regards Israel.

Oh and BTW, Jesus is returning in an event commonly known as the Second Coming.
Coming for whom primarily? Israel. Jesus is coming for Israel for they must needs be redeemed by their Kinsman Redeemer according
to His promise, according to His prophecy, neither of which can be broken.

The alternative views are Biblically illiterate nonsense and/or fantasy and simply do not work.
 
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Gideon300 said:
Another ignorant comment. You excel at that! Islam has been at war with whatever is not Islam since the days of Muhammad. Muslims have spread Islam by violence from the very beginning. As New York is finding out and Europe already knows, Muslims do not come to take part. They come to take over.
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I have relatives that live in a Canadian city where a Muslim community has existed since the late 60's
The way Muslims live and contribute to the community is contrary to your claims.
 
HeIsHere said:
They have prepared for all this.

As long as they can keep the Strait of Hormuz closed and continue the economic warfare they will not be defeated and we also know that BRICS needs that Strait functional so they will assist if needed.

All this was practiced through drills in anticipation of this war.
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They know, or soon will know, the location of all of the drones and launchers. Maybe a couple of weeks before all have been destroyed.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2029191729803391287
 
HeIsHere said:
Just to start using one of the correct hermeneutic approaches of historical context ... "wars and rumor of wars" would have been

directly understood by His audience as a connection to the Pax Romana, because the Romans described their "empire" as

politically stable and peaceful.... but conflicts were coming.

I know you guys are not going to move on this so I see no point debating further.
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I agree that there are verses in Matthew 24 referring to 70 AD, but it is absurd to take a few verses that apply to the apostles and those alive at the time and then use that to water down every prophecy which is what you must do.
 
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cv5 said:
Oh and BTW, Jesus is returning in an event commonly known as the Second Coming.
Coming for whom primarily? Israel. Jesus is coming for Israel for they must needs be redeemed by their Kinsman Redeemer according to His promise, according to His prophecy, neither of which can be broken.
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He's coming with Israel that has already been redeemed
 
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ZNP said:
I agree that there are verses in Matthew 24 referring to 70 AD, but it is absurd to take a few verses that apply to the apostles and those alive at the time and then use that to water down every prophecy which is what you must do.
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It is likewise absurd to take every prophecy ever uttered about "end time" Israel (***IN THAT DAY***) and try and shoehorn them into 70 AD or 132AD or whatever. You would look like a fool doing so.
 
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