The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[stilllearning]

The Bible does present the Ten Commandments as the covenant itself. In Exodus 34:28, it is written:

"So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments."

"So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone (Deuteronomy 4:13, NKJV)

This clearly states that the Ten Commandments are the covenant. When we look at Jeremiah 31:31-33, we see God speaking of a new covenant, but notice what He says:

"Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord.
But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people."

This passage does not say the law itself would change. Instead, it tells us that the ten commandments that are the covenant instead of being written on stone tablets, would be written in our hearts and minds. That means the law remains the same, but its place changes, from external tablets to internal conviction. This is why we see in the Gospels of John, Matthew, Luke and Mark, Jesus teaching the commandments and magnifying them.

Now, let's connect this with the Ark of the Covenant. In Deuteronomy 10:1-5, God commanded Moses to place the two tablets of the Ten Commandments inside the Ark:


"At that time the Lord said to me, ‘Hew for yourself two tablets of stone like the first, and come up to Me on the mountain, and make yourself an ark of wood... Then I turned and came down from the mountain, and put the tablets in the ark which I had made; and there they are, just as the Lord commanded me.’"

This shows the special place of the Ten Commandments, inside the Ark, symbolizing their central role in the covenant. But what about the rest of the law? In Deuteronomy 31:24-26, Moses wrote the book of the law and placed it beside the Ark:


"So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: ‘Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you.’”

This distinction is important. The Ten Commandments being described clearly as the Covenant were placed inside the Ark of the Covenant, showing their eternal, unchanging nature as the foundation of the covenant. The rest of the law was placed beside the Ark, acting as a witness.

Now, when Jeremiah speaks of the law being written in our hearts, he is speaking of the same law, the Ten Commandments. The "new" part of the covenant is not that the law changes but that God Himself ensures it is within us, guiding us from within rather than being an external set of rules. This aligns perfectly with how Jesus upheld and fulfilled the law, always pointing back to love for God and neighbor as the foundation of obedience (Matthew 22:36-40).

So, the New Covenant is not about replacing the Ten Commandments but about making them part of who we are.

Blessings

Jeremiah 31 the passage you have used does the opposite.

Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

The word new is chadash. Which of course means fresh or new.

The lexicon gives the ways that the word is used and the range in which they are used.

2. Replacement of the old with a superior order (Jeremiah 31:31).

Strong's Hebrew: 2319. חָדָשׁ (chadash) -- New

Jeremiah 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

The word not in Hebrew is lo. It means of course no, never, not.

That word when it is used and in the order it is used it will negate what follows.

Strong's Hebrew: 3808. לֹא (lo) -- no, nor, cannot

Such as you shall not kill. You shall not have graven images. The way it is placed in verse 32 it is doing the same it negates the covenant that God made with them.

Why because we are going to get a new covenant one that is superior to the old. The old was negated when the new came.

John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another

The word new is kainos. It means new, fresh, unused, novel.

The Lexicon shows how that word is being used.

b. as respects substance; of a new kind; unprecedented, novel, uncommon, unheard of (ἑτέρα καί καινά δαιμόνια, Xenophon, mem. 1, 1, 1): διδαχή, Mark 1:27; Acts 17:19; ἐντολή, given now for the first time, John 13:34;

Strong's Greek: 2537. καινός (kainos) -- New, fresh, unused, novel

Christ gave us a new commandment for the first time one that is superior to the old.

Here is the old covenant made between God and man and man's expectation and standard was his best.

Love the Lord with all your strength, all your might, all your mind. Love your neighbor as yourself.

Under the new a covenant made between God and God we are to use Christ/God as the standard.

Love as I have loved you. Esteem others better than ourselves. Under the old we are the standard and that limited and we could not even do that. Under the new God is the standard and he is limitless. As he comes and dwells in us so that we can do all things through Christ.

When it comes to the old and the new and mixing we are told that will not work.

Luke 5:37-38 37And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish. 38But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved.

Verse 39 No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.

better is chréstos. It means good, useful.

How is it being used when we look at the lexicon.

Luke 5:39 notes the natural human bias: “And no one after drinking old wine wants new, for he says, ‘The old is better.’” Here the word functions comparatively, describing the perceived excellence of what is already known. The saying exposes the resistance of human tradition to the fresh inbreaking of the kingdom, even when that kingdom brings the truest good.

Strong's Greek: 5543. χρηστός (chréstos) -- Kind, good, useful, benevolent

2 John 1:5 And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.

beginning is arché: Beginning, origin, ruler, authority, principality

it's usage: b. in a relative sense, of the beginning of the thing spoken of: ἐξ ἀρχῆς, from the time when Jesus gathered disciples, John 6:64; John 16:4; ἀπ' ἀρχῆς, John 15:27 (since I appeared in public); as soon as instruction was imparted, 1 John 2),; ; 2 John 1:5

Strong's Greek: 746. ἀρχή (arché) -- Beginning, origin, ruler, authority, principality

I John 3:16-17
16Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. 17But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?

23-24
23And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 24And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

Simon Peter do you love me, feed my sheep, feed my lambs.

We are under a superior covenant with superior commands as the standard is God and the way he loves. We as the old standard under the new covenant we are not to use ourselves as the measuring point. In fact under the new we are to crucify ourselves our flesh. Which now by doing so this is our sacrifice.

 

[Inquisitor]

Exposing wrong doing is also part of the process, Jesus did it all the time! read Matthew 23 I do the same.

Your using the codified law given to Israel only.

Jesus was only sent to Israel.

The Gentile nations were not given the codified law.

The Gentile nations never knew God or the law.

Gentiles were the wild olive tree grafted into Christ.

Stop generating a false narrative for the purpose of the codified law.

You know, for a fact, that Gentiles never had a law concerning the sabbath day.

 

[Inquisitor]

Happy Sabbath my friend. There will always be mockers, keep them in your prayers.

God bless.

The sabbath is not the gospel.

We preach Christ crucified not some law in the O.T.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Jeremiah 31 the passage you have used does the opposite.

Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

The word new is chadash. Which of course means fresh or new.

The lexicon gives the ways that the word is used and the range in which they are used.

2. Replacement of the old with a superior order (Jeremiah 31:31).

Strong's Hebrew: 2319. חָדָשׁ (chadash) -- New

Jeremiah 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

The word not in Hebrew is lo. It means of course no, never, not.

That word when it is used and in the order it is used it will negate what follows.

Strong's Hebrew: 3808. לֹא (lo) -- no, nor, cannot

Such as you shall not kill. You shall not have graven images. The way it is placed in verse 32 it is doing the same it negates the covenant that God made with them.

Why because we are going to get a new covenant one that is superior to the old. The old was negated when the new came.

John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another

The word new is kainos. It means new, fresh, unused, novel.

The Lexicon shows how that word is being used.

b. as respects substance; of a new kind; unprecedented, novel, uncommon, unheard of (ἑτέρα καί καινά δαιμόνια, Xenophon, mem. 1, 1, 1): διδαχή, Mark 1:27; Acts 17:19; ἐντολή, given now for the first time, John 13:34;

Strong's Greek: 2537. καινός (kainos) -- New, fresh, unused, novel

Christ gave us a new commandment for the first time one that is superior to the old.

Here is the old covenant made between God and man and man's expectation and standard was his best.

Love the Lord with all your strength, all your might, all your mind. Love your neighbor as yourself.

Under the new a covenant made between God and God we are to use Christ/God as the standard.

Love as I have loved you. Esteem others better than ourselves. Under the old we are the standard and that limited and we could not even do that. Under the new God is the standard and he is limitless. As he comes and dwells in us so that we can do all things through Christ.

When it comes to the old and the new and mixing we are told that will not work.

Luke 5:37-38 37And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish. 38But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved.

Verse 39 No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.

better is chréstos. It means good, useful.

How is it being used when we look at the lexicon.

Luke 5:39 notes the natural human bias: “And no one after drinking old wine wants new, for he says, ‘The old is better.’” Here the word functions comparatively, describing the perceived excellence of what is already known. The saying exposes the resistance of human tradition to the fresh inbreaking of the kingdom, even when that kingdom brings the truest good.

Strong's Greek: 5543. χρηστός (chréstos) -- Kind, good, useful, benevolent

2 John 1:5 And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.

beginning is arché: Beginning, origin, ruler, authority, principality

it's usage: b. in a relative sense, of the beginning of the thing spoken of: ἐξ ἀρχῆς, from the time when Jesus gathered disciples, John 6:64; John 16:4; ἀπ' ἀρχῆς, John 15:27 (since I appeared in public); as soon as instruction was imparted, 1 John 2),; ; 2 John 1:5

Strong's Greek: 746. ἀρχή (arché) -- Beginning, origin, ruler, authority, principality

I John 3:16-17
16Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. 17But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?

23-24
23And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 24And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

Simon Peter do you love me, feed my sheep, feed my lambs.

We are under a superior covenant with superior commands as the standard is God and the way he loves. We as the old standard under the new covenant we are not to use ourselves as the measuring point. In fact under the new we are to crucify ourselves our flesh. Which now by doing so this is our sacrifice.

I agree with both of you.

Bottom line, God still wants us to obey Him, only this time it's easier because God gave us His Holy Spirit and wrote His laws on our hearts!


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[Inquisitor]

Not sure what translation you are using but here is a better one- but even with yours what professed Christian doesn’t want to bind themselves to the LORD.

Isa 56:6 “Also the sons of the foreigner (Gentiles)
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant

We either serve the LORD or by default are serving another- His invitation is for everyone- all are called, few chosen because few respond to the call. They want all of the Blessings God’s brings, but not on His terms Isa 56:2, but theirs. That’s been the issue since the beginning- our will over God’s. This is what cost the Israelites out of their inheritance Eze20:15-16 why in the NT we are told not to harden our heart Heb3:7-19 to the same example of disobedience Heb4:11

I won’t respond to your last statement, its really a reflection of where someone is spiritually, and I guess a person not interested in reasoning in a Christian manner- so I will just agree to disagree and it will sort out in God’s time.

Always selective quoting and often devoid of context.

 

[Inquisitor]

You are a modern pharisee. SB is right, you just don't like what she says as it it makes you uncomfortable and means you would have to change. The whole purpose of the law is for us to change our hearts.

The law changes nothing because the law has no power.

All you do is break the law like everyone else.

 

[stilllearning]

I agree with both of you.

Bottom line, God still wants us to obey Him, only this time it's easier because God gave us His Holy Spirit and wrote His laws on our hearts!


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Oh I agree but what is really at the heart of this debate. Those who say that we should follow the old covenant really are arguing for we should keep the sabbath. Which they define as going to church on Saturday.

Which I have no problem with as each should do as his concise dictates.

However, in prior discussions on this topic I came right out and asked if you do not go to church on Saturday their definition of keeping the Sabbath are you saved. My reply back was no.

So this is why we that are debating this topic are doing so with such fervor as really what is behind this topic of keeping the law is keeping the sabbath, going to church on Saturday is it truly a matter of salvation.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Oh I agree but what is really at the heart of this debate. Those who say that we should follow the old covenant really are arguing for we should keep the sabbath. Which they define as going to church on Saturday.

Which I have no problem with as each should do as his concise dictates.

However, in prior discussions on this topic I came right out and asked if you do not go to church on Saturday their definition of keeping the Sabbath are you saved. My reply back was no.

So this is why we that are debating this topic are doing so with such fervor as really what is behind this topic of keeping the law is keeping the sabbath, going to church on Saturday is it truly a matter of salvation.

Honestly, it's ridiculous to fight over which day God wants us to have our Sabbaths.

Saturday was for the Jews, but when Jesus died, He became our Sabbath rest. Christians can now choose any day as Sabbath. This why God hasn't punished the Christians who have their Sabbath on Sundays.

Even the Bible says not to argue about what day should be the Sabbath:

Colossians 2:16 "Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath."

So all y'all need to stop arguing and guilting each other over this!


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[pinebeach]

This was my reply to sabbath's post #4577 wherein, again, the law is referred to as the way, the truth and the life (not in thos words but if you choose the law over Christ, then that is what you are saying. you believe that the law is the way, the truth and the life

Those who have accepted Christ and live for Him are not judged by the law. You either choose Him or you choose judgement.

This is the response to my post above

If we choose Him, we serve Him, the way He asks Isa 56:6 not on our terms.

Everyone is Judged by God

2Cor5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

He is the one deciding those who really choose Him or those who say Lord Lord, but do their own will.

This habit of posting a reference rather than the whole passage or verse is not helpful, but when looking up Isaiah 56:6, we find:

6 “And the foreigners who join themselves to the Lord,

to minister to him, to love the name of the Lord,

and to be his servants,

everyone who keeps the Sabbath and does not profane it,

and holds fast my covenant—

So sabbath is once again saying that if you do not observe the Sabbath like an OT Jew, you are then profaning it...which means off to hell with you. Sabbath has also stated plainly that you go to hell if you do not follow OT law concerning the Sabbath. His/her words, not mine. Long thread though and I'm not going to go look for the times that has been said.

So yes, I referred to that as garbage and it is garbage.

10All who rely on works of the law are under a curse. For it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” 11Now it is clear that no one is justified before God by the law, because, “The righteous will live by faith.” 12The law, however, is not based on faith; on the contrary, “The man who does these things will live by them.”

13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us. For it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.” 14He redeemed us in order that the blessing promised to Abrahamg would come to the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit. Gal. 3

The Purpose of the Law
(Romans 7:1–6)

15Brothers, let me put this in human terms. Even a human covenant, once it is ratified, cannot be canceled or amended. 16The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say, “and to seeds,” meaning many, but “and to your seed,”h meaning One, who is Christ.

17What I mean is this: The law that came 430 years later does not revoke the covenant previously established by God, so as to nullify the promise. 18For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on a promise; but God freely granted it to Abraham through a promise.

19Why then was the law given? It was added because of transgressions, until the arrival of the seed to whom the promise referred. It was administered through angels by a mediator. 20A mediator is unnecessary, however, for only one party; but God is one.

Read to the end of the chapter for a biblical understanding of the law vs Christ's fullfillment of the law

 

[stilllearning]

Honestly, it's ridiculous to fight over which day God wants us to have our Sabbaths.

Saturday was for the Jews, but when Jesus died, He became our Sabbath rest. Christians can now choose any day as Sabbath. This why God hasn't punished the Christians who have their Sabbath on Sundays.

Even the Bible says not to argue about what day should be the Sabbath:

Colossians 2:16 "Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath."

So all y'all need to stop arguing and guilting each other over this!


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Yes maam

I have to get going but you do have a wonderful weekend

 

[Inquisitor]

Oh I agree but what is really at the heart of this debate. Those who say that we should follow the old covenant really are arguing for we should keep the sabbath. Which they define as going to church on Saturday.

Which I have no problem with as each should do as his concise dictates.

However, in prior discussions on this topic I came right out and asked if you do not go to church on Saturday their definition of keeping the Sabbath are you saved. My reply back was no.

So this is why we that are debating this topic are doing so with such fervor as really what is behind this topic of keeping the law is keeping the sabbath, going to church on Saturday is it truly a matter of salvation.

Ask them whether they can go to church on Sunday?

 

[pinebeach]

The Bible does present the Ten Commandments as the covenant itself.

15Brothers, let me put this in human terms. Even a human covenant, once it is ratified, cannot be canceled or amended. 16The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say, “and to seeds,” meaning many, but “and to your seed,”h meaning One, who is Christ.

17What I mean is this: The law that came 430 years later does not revoke the covenant previously established by God, so as to nullify the promise. 18For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on a promise; but God freely granted it to Abraham through a promise.

The commandments were given 430 years AFTER the covenant made with Abraham.
V. 18, if you depend on an inheiritance through the law, then you are outside of God's promise of eternal life.
19Why then was the law given? It was added because of transgressions, until the arrival of the seed to whom the promise referred. It was administered through angels by a mediator. 20A mediator is unnecessary, however, for only one party; but God is one.
So the law was given because of SIN. It is not and was never the covenant between believers and God.
21Is the law, then, opposed to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come from the law. 22But the Scripture pronounces all things confined by sin, so that by faith in Jesus Christ the promise might be given to those who believe.

23Before this faith came, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. 24So the law became our guardian to lead us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25Now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

The law does not and cannot give life yet Jesus tell us that He came to give us new life and give in abundance.

The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I have come that they may have life, and have it in all its fullness. John 10:10

Jesus is life. The law is death.

How this fact can be so misunderstood and misrepresented by the op and his followers, is and can only be, understood as deception. The problem lies in the fact that the same people do not give weight to what is written by Paul.

 

[vassal]

Jeremiah 31 the passage you have used does the opposite.

Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

The word new is chadash. Which of course means fresh or new.

The lexicon gives the ways that the word is used and the range in which they are used.

2. Replacement of the old with a superior order (Jeremiah 31:31).

Strong's Hebrew: 2319. חָדָשׁ (chadash) -- New

Jeremiah 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

The word not in Hebrew is lo. It means of course no, never, not.

That word when it is used and in the order it is used it will negate what follows.

Strong's Hebrew: 3808. לֹא (lo) -- no, nor, cannot

Such as you shall not kill. You shall not have graven images. The way it is placed in verse 32 it is doing the same it negates the covenant that God made with them.

Why because we are going to get a new covenant one that is superior to the old. The old was negated when the new came.

John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another

The word new is kainos. It means new, fresh, unused, novel.

The Lexicon shows how that word is being used.

b. as respects substance; of a new kind; unprecedented, novel, uncommon, unheard of (ἑτέρα καί καινά δαιμόνια, Xenophon, mem. 1, 1, 1): διδαχή, Mark 1:27; Acts 17:19; ἐντολή, given now for the first time, John 13:34;

Strong's Greek: 2537. καινός (kainos) -- New, fresh, unused, novel

Christ gave us a new commandment for the first time one that is superior to the old.

Here is the old covenant made between God and man and man's expectation and standard was his best.

Love the Lord with all your strength, all your might, all your mind. Love your neighbor as yourself.

Under the new a covenant made between God and God we are to use Christ/God as the standard.

Love as I have loved you. Esteem others better than ourselves. Under the old we are the standard and that limited and we could not even do that. Under the new God is the standard and he is limitless. As he comes and dwells in us so that we can do all things through Christ.

When it comes to the old and the new and mixing we are told that will not work.

Luke 5:37-38 37And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish. 38But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved.

Verse 39 No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.

better is chréstos. It means good, useful.

How is it being used when we look at the lexicon.

Luke 5:39 notes the natural human bias: “And no one after drinking old wine wants new, for he says, ‘The old is better.’” Here the word functions comparatively, describing the perceived excellence of what is already known. The saying exposes the resistance of human tradition to the fresh inbreaking of the kingdom, even when that kingdom brings the truest good.

Strong's Greek: 5543. χρηστός (chréstos) -- Kind, good, useful, benevolent

2 John 1:5 And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.

beginning is arché: Beginning, origin, ruler, authority, principality

it's usage: b. in a relative sense, of the beginning of the thing spoken of: ἐξ ἀρχῆς, from the time when Jesus gathered disciples, John 6:64; John 16:4; ἀπ' ἀρχῆς, John 15:27 (since I appeared in public); as soon as instruction was imparted, 1 John 2),; ; 2 John 1:5

Strong's Greek: 746. ἀρχή (arché) -- Beginning, origin, ruler, authority, principality

I John 3:16-17
16Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. 17But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?

23-24
23And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 24And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

Simon Peter do you love me, feed my sheep, feed my lambs.

We are under a superior covenant with superior commands as the standard is God and the way he loves. We as the old standard under the new covenant we are not to use ourselves as the measuring point. In fact under the new we are to crucify ourselves our flesh. Which now by doing so this is our sacrifice.

Thank you for the detailed response, and I can see the effort put into it. But we need to go back to what Jesus himself said, because that's where the answer sits most clearly.

In Matthew 5:17 Jesus said "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill." That word fulfill means to bring to its complete and intended purpose. He then spent the rest of that chapter deepening the commandments, not removing them. Don't just avoid murder, deal with the anger behind it. Don't just avoid adultery, guard your heart. That's not abolishment, that's internalization.

Now regarding Jeremiah 31:33, God himself tells us exactly which law he's writing on the heart. "I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts." The same law. Moved from stone tablets to the inner man. Deuteronomy 4:13 already told us that law is the Ten Commandments.

Regarding John 13:34, when Jesus said love one another as I have loved you, he was raising the standard of how we keep the commandment, not replacing the commandment itself. In Matthew 22:37-40 he confirmed that all the law hangs on love for God and neighbor, which is the very heart of the Ten Commandments.

The new covenant makes us doers of the law from within, not observers of something abolished.

Blessings.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

This was my reply to sabbath's post #4577 wherein, again, the law is referred to as the way, the truth and the life (not in thos words but if you choose the law over Christ, then that is what you are saying. you believe that the law is the way, the truth and the life


This is the response to my post above

This habit of posting a reference rather than the whole passage or verse is not helpful, but when looking up Isaiah 56:6, we find:

6 “And the foreigners who join themselves to the Lord,

to minister to him, to love the name of the Lord,

and to be his servants,

everyone who keeps the Sabbath and does not profane it,

and holds fast my covenant—

So sabbath is once again saying that if you do not observe the Sabbath like an OT Jew, you are then profaning it...which means off to hell with you. Sabbath has also stated plainly that you go to hell if you do not follow OT law concerning the Sabbath. His/her words, not mine. Long thread though and I'm not going to go look for the times that has been said.

Did you actually read the passage from the LORD?

This is a future prophecy, where the LORD is inviting Gentiles to join themselves to the LORD , to love and serve Him and keep His Sabbath. . Why would anyone not want to accept this invitation if we love Him and want to serve Him? Where in Scripture does it say we should ever stop joining ourselves and serving the LORD.

We are to until the very end of time!


Rev 22:3 And there shall be no more curse, but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His servants shall serve Him.

If we are not serving the Lord by default there is someone else we are serving. Jesus is LORD of the Sabbath, tearing down what He is LORD of does not tear it down, it just makes someone else their Lord

So yes, I referred to that as garbage and it is garbage.

Words of the LORD to love and serve Him- garbage? Even if you disagree how does this language reflect what you posted how we are to suppose to respond to each other- even if we don’t agree. It seems like you are quoting passages but perhaps not understanding them.

10All who rely on works of the law are under a curse. For it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” 11Now it is clear that no one is justified before God by the law, because, “The righteous will live by faith.” 12The law, however, is not based on faith; on the contrary, “The man who does these things will live by them.”

What law is being spoken of here. This passage tells us- all that is written in the book of the law. This is referring to what Moses wrote that was besides the ark Deuteronomy31:24-26.

What is the LORD saying for those who keep the Sabbath- are they cursed?

Isa 56:1 Thus says the Lord:

“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

Once God blesses something its forever

1Cor 17:27 Now You have been pleased to bless the house of Your servant, that it may continue before You forever; for You have blessed it, O Lord, and it shall be blessed forever.”

And no man can take away something God blessed

Num 23:20 Behold, I have received a command to bless;
He has blessed, and I cannot reverse it.

The only thing we can do is forfeit our own blessing.

Which I would advise not to…

Psa 37:22 For those blessed by Him shall inherit the earth,
But those cursed by Him shall be

13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us. For it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.” 14He redeemed us in order that the blessing promised to Abrahamg would come to the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit. Gal. 3

Amen- Jesus did redeem us from the curse- the wages of sin is death but we have to accept this, by also dying of self and being crucified with Christ and receiving His Spirit which enables us to obey and keep His commandments. Rom6:-14 John14:15-18. The issue is though not everyone accepts the conditions Rom8:7-8 John3”19-21

The Purpose of the Law
(Romans 7:1–6)

You missed the next verse that tells us, the law shows us our sins Rom7:7 Rom3:20 s we are not depending on what we “feel” is righteousness right or wrong doing but we look to what God says Psa 119:172 Isa 56:1-2 which His is everlasting Psa 119:142 the foundation of His Throne Psa 89:34

The law can’t save us, it just shows us sin, so we can go to Christ and confess and repent,, which means a heart that is truly sorry and change the direction we are going. If we don’t allow the us of the bible to define righteousness Psa 119:172 or sin 1John3:4 James2:10-12 than sadly all we will do is cover our sins Pro28:13 and His great Sacrifice for us will be in vain Heb10:26-30

15Brothers, let me put this in human terms. Even a human covenant, once it is ratified, cannot be canceled or amended. 16The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say, “and to seeds,” meaning many, but “and to your seed,”h meaning One, who is Christ.

17What I mean is this: The law that came 430 years later does not revoke the covenant previously established by God, so as to nullify the promise. 18For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on a promise; but God freely granted it to Abraham through a promise.

19Why then was the law given? It was added because of transgressions, until the arrival of the seed to whom the promise referred. It was administered through angels by a mediator. 20A mediator is unnecessary, however, for only one party; but God is one.

Read to the end of the chapter for a biblical understanding of the law vs Christ's fullfillment of the law

So back to Paul, yes, again the law he was speaking of was what was written in the book of the law as shown in v10 of this passage this was the law added- animal sacrifices for sins because of breaking the law of God, the Ten Commandments that sits under His mercy seat that His blood drives for.

 

[Cameron143]

Acts 15:10.

Why do people continue to put yolks on others they themselves cannot bear?

 

[vassal]

I don't have to do that.

All your posts through the years cumulatively show your calvinistic views, even though you don't call yourself calvinist. And calvinvism basically, wrongfully blames God for all the bad we do.


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Cameron is not certain what camp to choose now, I have discussed this with him in the past, @Cameron143 his foundation is built on the sand. The rock is jesus word, his commandments internalized and lived out. The sand is everything built outside of that, including doctrines that quietly move away from what Jesus actually taught.

The Trees and the Wind

The winds of this world blow hard and long, From every direction they come,
Testing the weak and testing the strong, Till the final verdict is done.

Some trees grew deep in the rock and stone, Their roots reached down through the years,
Through seasons of drought and cold alone, Through struggle and sweat and tears.

When the winds came howling across the land, And beat on their branches with force,
Those trees just bent but they still could stand, For their roots held firm to the source.

But others had grown in the easy ground, Their branches spread wide and tall,
They looked so strong but when winds came round, The shallow rooted ones fall.

So let every man with ears now hear, And take this lesson to heart,
It's not what you show when the skies are clear, But the depth of your roots from the start.

For the winds will blow and the storms will come, And beat on the life you've made,
And only the deep rooted will overcome, While the shallow ones start to fade.​

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Did you actually read the passage from the LORD?

This is a future prophecy, where the LORD is inviting Gentiles to join themselves to the LORD , to love and serve Him and keep His Sabbath. . Why would anyone not want to accept this invitation if we love Him and want to serve Him? Where in Scripture does it say we should ever stop joining ourselves and serving the LORD.

We are to until the very end of time!


Rev 22:3 And there shall be no more curse, but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His servants shall serve Him.

If we are not serving the Lord by default there is someone else we are serving. Jesus is LORD of the Sabbath, tearing down what He is LORD of does not tear it down, it just makes someone else their Lord


Words of the LORD to love and serve Him- garbage? Even if you disagree how does this language reflect what you posted how we are to suppose to respond to each other- even if we don’t agree. It seems like you are quoting passages but perhaps not understanding them.

What law is being spoken of here. This passage tells us- all that is written in the book of the law. This is referring to what Moses wrote that was besides the ark Deuteronomy31:24-26.

What is the LORD saying for those who keep the Sabbath- are they cursed?

Isa 56:1 Thus says the Lord:

“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

Once God blesses something its forever

1Cor 17:27 Now You have been pleased to bless the house of Your servant, that it may continue before You forever; for You have blessed it, O Lord, and it shall be blessed forever.”

And no man can take away something God blessed

Num 23:20 Behold, I have received a command to bless;
He has blessed, and I cannot reverse it.

The only thing we can do is forfeit our own blessing.

Which I would advise not to…

Psa 37:22 For those blessed by Him shall inherit the earth,
But those cursed by Him shall be


Amen- Jesus did redeem us from the curse- the wages of sin is death but we have to accept this, by also dying of self and being crucified with Christ and receiving His Spirit which enables us to obey and keep His commandments. Rom6:-14 John14:15-18. The issue is though not everyone accepts the conditions Rom8:7-8 John3”19-21

You missed the next verse that tells us, the law shows us our sins Rom7:7 Rom3:20 s we are not depending on what we “feel” is righteousness right or wrong doing but we look to what God says Psa 119:172 Isa 56:1-2 which His is everlasting Psa 119:142 the foundation of His Throne Psa 89:34

The law can’t save us, it just shows us sin, so we can go to Christ and confess and repent,, which means a heart that is truly sorry and change the direction we are going. If we don’t allow the us of the bible to define righteousness Psa 119:172 or sin 1John3:4 James2:10-12 than sadly all we will do is cover our sins Pro28:13 and His great Sacrifice for us will be in vain Heb10:26-30

So back to Paul, yes, again the law he was speaking of was what was written in the book of the law as shown in v10 of this passage this was the law added- animal sacrifices for sins because of breaking the law of God, the Ten Commandments that sits under His mercy seat that His blood drives for.

Spell check and I am on my ipad, which constantly overrides what I write. I wish we could go back and edit longer.

At any rate the last sentence was supposed to say atones for, not drives for. The law of Moses (sacrifices for sins) was added because of transgression (sin) Obviously two different laws. One that describes what sin is (the Ten Commandments i.e. not to worship other gods, not steal from our neighbor etc.) the other law was added because of sins, the law of Moses and animal sacrifices until the Seed, which perfectly harmonizes with Scriptures- of what He predicted Dan9:27 and what He accomplished Heb10:1-15

 

[TMS]

Those who have accepted Christ and live for Him are not judged by the law. You either choose Him or you choose judgement.

Rom 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

ALL STAND before the judgment seat.

Please use the bible to prove that the saved are not judged.

How are they judged as saved?

The saved will be covered by the blood of Jesus in the judgment. But they are still judged.
1Jn 1:7 ...., and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

 

[vassal]

Your using the codified law given to Israel only.

Jesus was only sent to Israel.

The Gentile nations were not given the codified law.

The Gentile nations never knew God or the law.

Gentiles were the wild olive tree grafted into Christ.

Stop generating a false narrative for the purpose of the codified law.

You know, for a fact, that Gentiles never had a law concerning the sabbath day.

Inquisitor, you are stuck like a broken record and wont change, so from what you said here gentiles don't need or have to keep the Commandments? is this correct? why do you hate Gods commands so much? remember Eve? you know what happened then. Are the commandments we are asked to keep bad in themselves, a burden? just imagine for a minute if everyone followed them, would we have an approaching WWIII at this time? it would be paradise down here if everyone followed them from the heart as it will eventually be.

 

[Cameron143]

Cameron is not certain what camp to choose now, I have discussed this with him in the past, @Cameron143 his foundation is built on the sand. The rock is jesus word, his commandments internalized and lived out. The sand is everything built outside of that, including doctrines that quietly move away from what Jesus actually taught.

The Trees and the Wind

The winds of this world blow hard and long, From every direction they come,
Testing the weak and testing the strong, Till the final verdict is done.

Some trees grew deep in the rock and stone, Their roots reached down through the years,
Through seasons of drought and cold alone, Through struggle and sweat and tears.

When the winds came howling across the land, And beat on their branches with force,
Those trees just bent but they still could stand, For their roots held firm to the source.

But others had grown in the easy ground, Their branches spread wide and tall,
They looked so strong but when winds came round, The shallow rooted ones fall.

So let every man with ears now hear, And take this lesson to heart,
It's not what you show when the skies are clear, But the depth of your roots from the start.

For the winds will blow and the storms will come, And beat on the life you've made,
And only the deep rooted will overcome, While the shallow ones start to fade.​

I know exactly where I stand. You asked for proof of my claim. I use your words to show your statement false, as did others. You offer no rebuttal; only insinuations and falsehoods.