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I don't like to speculate from one phrase in the Bible, but it is in Satan's nature to deceive.
Of course his hand is involved in all things, especially those which can be used to manipulate mankind. I have an interesting thread on the topic that you might have read.

...Beast Tech<

According to Klaus the Swab and the Jewish atheist he calls The prophet, Noah Uval Harari, cell phones were designed to control people. He was probably speaking the truth that time.

The whole UFO thing I posted the other day by Dave Hunt summarizes what I believe.
They play into the propensities that children were raised to believe with science fiction in the form of evil-ution.

I agree with the cell phone theory, you see it wherever you look. Other than posting on CC, I still use my flip phone.

Still looking for the time to dive into Dave hunt.
 
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I don't like to speculate from one phrase in the Bible, but it is in Satan's nature to deceive.
Of course his hand is involved in all things, especially those which can be used to manipulate mankind. I have an interesting thread on the topic that you might have read.

...Beast Tech<

According to Klaus the Swab and the Jewish atheist he calls The prophet, Noah Uval Harari, cell phones were designed to control people. He was probably speaking the truth that time.

The whole UFO thing I posted the other day by Dave Hunt summarizes what I believe.
They play into the propensities that children were raised to believe with science fiction in the form of evil-ution.

Do dave hunt and i have any parallels in our understandings.
 
Do dave hunt and i have any parallels in our understandings.

It's not very long.
The entire documentary is, but this is just the end.
The first half covers the existence of the reality of UFOs, however the second goes into what they are from a non evolutionary point of view.

Hunt wrote a Christian novel about high tech machines used for remote viewing, and as high tech Divination devices to gather information from foreign governments, etc. The first one was pretty good IMHO, called the Archon Conspiracy.
He proposed your idea that demons share advanced knowledge.

I personally agree that Satan is preparing for the great war against Christ at the Return of the King.
 
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I never said they weren't from the demonic realm.
I just asked you to read my thoughts on this, but you seem to be comfortable in being ignorant with it. Salah
And I never said you did. You asked, I took a pass. Its not all that important to me in the grand scheme of things, your mileage may very. What I'm comfortable with, is dropping my two cents in a thread, and moving on before some wingnut tries to make it personal.
 
You might want to use your sense of sight a bit more carefully.

Genesis 1:14-10 describes the creation of the sun, moon, and stars on the fourth day.

Nothing in that passage "puts an end to the heliocentric narrative". However, since you think it does, I invite you to explain your rationale.
Thank you, my error, fourth day.

Genesis Creation 1 In the beginning God created -- the heaven and -- the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4 And God saw -- the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And -- the evening and the morning were the first day.
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7 And God made -- the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And -- the evening and the morning were the second day. 9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. 10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. 11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And -- the evening and the morning were the third day. 14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. 16 And God made -- two great lights; -- the greater light to rule the day, and -- the lesser light to rule the night: he made -- the stars also. 17 And God set -- them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 18 And toandle over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. 19 And -- the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
The Earth was created prior to the Sun.
As well as the moon and stars. Before the creation narrative even begins, the Spirit of God is moving upon the surface of the deep. I find this term "deep" an interesting one.
H8415. תְּהוֹם tehôm, תְּהֹם tehōm: A masculine noun referring to depth, a deep place. It indicates the deep, primeval ocean on earth as created by God (Gen. 1:2). It refers to the deepest parts of the earth in a figurative sense (Ps. 71:20); and to the depths of the oceans (Gen. 7:11). It is the opposite of the heavens (Gen. 8:2). It can refer to the deep parts of a sea or a large body of water (Ex. 15:5). It refers to deep waters that can be brought up (Gen. 49:25; Deut. 8:7...

in verse 1 we find earth and water, but no sky. In verse 6 we see God creates a firmament within the waters to divide the waters above the firmament from the waters beneath the firmament. God calls this firmament heaven. There is now a sky beneath the firmament. God then causes the dry land to appear.

Greenery follows on day three. The Sun, Moon and stars do not appear till day four. How can this be so? Because light and darkness already existed from day 1. I presume God Himself to be the source of this light, but that is pure speculation on my part.

What is not speculation, is the fact that God describes a cosmos consisting of a formless earth existing within a watery deep.

God divides the waters of this deep with a firm structure. Now there are waters above and beneath this structure. Now it is possible to create the dry land and place the boundaries for the sea, which He then does. Plant life appears. Only afterwards does God create the sun and moon and stars and place them within the firmament.

This is the point where most "bible believing Christians" will tell me that the Bible is not a science book.

But it most definitely is.

Its not that God wasn't interested in telling us the truth of His creation, He certainly was, and did. The problem is that men would rather trust in the scientists who reject God, than God Himself, and the Holy men through which He chose to speak.
 
UFOs in a 6 minute Nutshell

There's 8 pages of search results on his ministry's web site if you search "UFO'.
I don't know of any ministry that covered the subject so much. Some of it is from other speakers since Dave died years ago.

I spent a couple of hours listening to Dave's teaching on the rapture and how he understands faith. I kind of struck out so far but I haven't given up. I went on his web site and didn't see any videos, mostly written. I could be more specific if you would send me a private message.
 
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I spent a couple of hours listening to Dave's teaching on the rapture and how he understands faith. I kind of struck out so far but I haven't given up. I went on his web site and didn't see any videos, mostly written. I could be more specific if you would send me a private message.
Hi Watchman22,

I'm sorry that you didn't find what you were looking for.
Here's what came up with a website search on the term "UFO" .

I would just look at the headings and scan for any specific subtopics of interest.

UFO Search Results

Whenever time permits, I'm happy to share descriptions of the UFO sightings that friends and I have had independently.
 
Hi Watchman22,

I'm sorry that you didn't find what you were looking for.
Here's what came up with a website search on the term "UFO" .

I would just look at the headings and scan for any specific subtopics of interest.

UFO Search Results

Whenever time permits, I'm happy to share descriptions of the UFO sightings that friends and I have had independently.

I don't know how I missed your post here HH.
Sure, I'd like to hear about what you've seen.

Has anyone been keeping up with the Buga Sphere?