Loss of salvation???
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[1Pe 1:1-5 KJV]
1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
3 Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
Maybe, but I would rather stay focused on the text rather than get bogged down with that.
That is correct, and I'm not bragging. I have a personal habit of checking my assumptions to examine them objectively. This type of mindset is essential in Biblical exegesis.
You said, "THE MAN WHO WILLS just means that we will not be saved by our works but by our faith in God. The part in bold text is what you added. Paul is neither talking about works nor faith in chapter 9. He is helping his readers understand the concept of "the children of promise." He speaks about God, his promises, and his will.
Why put me in a box?
You claim not to be interested in philosophy, and yet you make a non-sequitur reference to Pelagius.
Listen. The verse I cited is an explicit statement of fact You can not deny the facts and remain a credible person.
I already proved it.
Who are those people? This sounds hypothetical, assuming such people exist.
God knows men's hearts, and He sees true faith, rewarding it with rebirth, from which none return to an unregenerate state.
The Bible speaks distinctly of those who are true and who do not fall away, and those who are not true, and do fall away.
Much love!
I was being very sincere. It just wasn't the answer that you wanted to hear.
Yes?
Are you such a bitter nasty person that you cannot stomach the exchange of pleasantries?
Feeling sincere, and repenting from unbelief to believing to be regenerated, these are very different things. Feelings of sincerity mean nothing, as you've pointed out, if they regard misplaced faith.
You can say that someone has had a change of heart, do you mean they have been regenerated (born from God) or that they now think and feel a different way? Again, these are very different things.
The real question, to my thinking, is, "Have you believed/received Jesus to then be born again from our Heavenly Father?" Is He your Heavenly Father? That infinitely transcends being sincere over something, or having a "change of heart".
In the parable of the Sower Jesus shows those who had "received the word with joy", but then "it had no root" in them, so they've had a "sincere" emotional experience, but that was all.
Much love!
Thanks, but not interested in being led around bit by bit. Lay out your understanding of your 3rd way and support it with Scripture, or don't. I've already read a few brief summaries of Crabtree and have seen a few retorts against him.
If you have no idea wouldn't it be better to wait until you know?
1 Peter 1:3-5 KJV
3) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4) To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5) Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
He speaks of those who have been born again, past tense. To those, He has reserved an inheritance, teaching that they are in fact kept - guarded - by the power of God through faith unto salvation.
Does anyone think they are stronger than God, that any should subvert His protection of His children?
Who will receive this inheritance? Those who have been born again. If you have been born again, you will receive this inheritance, being guarded for it by God's power. Loss of salvation? Not if you are born again.
Much love!
That's not grammar and is theological bias.
The aorist in this case speaks of a completed action in the past and provides no guaranty of future condition.
The perfect in itself speaks of an action in the past with continuing results up to the point of the author's writing with no guaranty of future condition.
Positional Sanctification is a theological construct used to name a theological interpretation.
The Third Way, as we are calling it, relies on an understanding of the nature of God and reality. It is only natural for me to ascertain your understanding of the relationship between God and his creation. But I see you have rejected the idea out of hand.
You know what the aorist says, but you don't seem to know what it MEANS in this context. Paul has placed all the verbs in the aorist tense in order to group them all together in a tight grouping, which are to be considered as one act of the Holy Spirit.
This paraphrase captures Paul’s conviction: Whenever you were washed, you were also sanctified and justified in the name of our Lord Jesus through the Spirit of our God. Paul never separates these works. His point is that the Spirit’s cleansing is never a partial or isolated act. If the Holy Spirit has washed you, then in that same moment, He has also set you apart as holy and declared you righteous. There is no scenario in Paul’s mind where the Spirit grants one of these gifts without the others; the triad always arrives together as the unified work of God in Christ.
Paul intentionally stacks a series of aorist verbs in Romans 8:29–30 to make a single, unbroken argument: the God who foreknew is the same God who predestined, called, justified, and glorified. By placing all these actions in the same verbal frame, Paul is insisting that the entire sequence stands or falls together. There is no break in the chain, no point at which God’s purpose wavers or stalls. In Paul’s mind, you can draw a straight, unbroken line from “foreknown” all the way to “glorified.” And the rest of the chapter (vv. 31–39) is simply the emotional explosion of that logic: if God has already secured the end from the beginning, then nothing in heaven or on earth can sever the believer from the love of Christ.
Let's talk normal cases.
US A citizenship when you are born into it is not negotiable.
Yet, one can choose to be a bad citizen....
And be denied certain rights and privileges.
And, if need be?
Executed with capital punishment.
But they still remain a US citizen.
Under U.S. law, a citizen who is executed by the state via capital punishment retains their U.S. citizenship
up until the moment of death. Capital punishment is a penalty for a crime, not an act of denaturalization
or renunciation of citizenship.
So it is, when we become born again!
But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ."
Philippians 3:20
grace and peace...
You "answered" the question with a question, this is not sincere.
It wasn't even an answer.