Loss of salvation???
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Not sure about the Deut. reading but if I was to describe the difference between discipline (chastising) and punishment it would be to say the former is "to remove from the child" while the latter is "to remove the child from".
Within the context of the scripture you quote, the 5th commandment came before the punishment for disobedience. Discipline is designed to instill values and punishment comes when those values are repeatedly rejected.
The recipe for trust:
1 part hope
1 part faith
And the binding ingredient,
2 parts love.
baked in the grace and truth of God.
As in the case of Pharaoh giving God's people grief unjustly?
Then God will deal this the offender.
Under normal conditions?
God leaves the unbeliever to simply reap what he sows.
Here it is....
https://christianchat.com/threads/loss-of-salvation.215327/post-5704109
How can a "brother or sister" refer to an atheist?
If you see any brother or sister commit a sin that does not lead to death, you should pray and God
will give them life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death.
I am not saying that you should pray about that.
1 John 5:16
Actually was considering a few things related to discipline vs. others allowed to walk away.
Do you ever question these connections?
How does the brother know when a brother is eating and drinking judgment trending beyond sick and has reached the sin toward death? Is the brother on his death bed in sickness getting carried into the party or something?
Ever wonder if it was a different sin than mistreating the eucharist - a more easily recognizable sin? Something recognizable they're being instructed not to make request for?
Ever consider that John may have discussed such sin in his letter?
You stated God would give unbelievers a miserable death in post 9036.
Here it is:
God will not be mocked.
He will make it Hell on earth while living - and supplying no dying grace, as they will die a miserable death.
I was referring to the above statement of yours.
KJV Proverbs 1:7-9
{1:7} The fear of the LORD [is] the beginning of
knowledge: [but] fools despise wisdom and instruction.
{1:8} My son, hear the instruction of thy father, and forsake
not the law of thy mother: {1:9} For they [shall be] an
ornament of grace unto thy head, and chains about thy neck.
{1:7} The fear of the LORD [is] the beginning of
knowledge: [but] fools despise wisdom and instruction.
{1:8} My son, hear the instruction of thy father, and forsake
not the law of thy mother: {1:9} For they [shall be] an
ornament of grace unto thy head, and chains about thy neck.
You know, it had been universally observed that when a person is in their hay days, indulging in their affluence and pleasure, Jesus has no place in their heart. But when they're poor in spirit, mourn, hunger and thirst, have been persecuted, then they'll realize that they're desperately in need of salvation. Didn't Lord Jesus say that the healthy don't need a physician, but the sick?
Scripture belong to all mankind, you're entitled to your interpretation, but not your ownership.
When you said this it left me wondering what you were getting at...
Parents chasten their children.
Parents will punish children who refuse to heed chastening.
Parents will kill their children for whom chastening was rejected...
You were misunderstanding what was said.
God does not give dying grace to any unbeliever.
Therefore, God does not deny dying grace to unbelievers.
My comment spoke only of reversionistic *believers.*
Without more information, I'm not sure I am getting what you mean.
Whether you wish to explore further, is up to you.
I'm not following your line of reasoning very well...
but, like I've said, this is not of too much interest to me.
As to reaping....
we all reap what we sow.
Unbelievers and believers.
You wrote that God will give to unbelievers a miserable death.
That's what you wrote.
I don't think I misunderstood you.
But it's not important to me to be quite frank.
If you wanted to purseu this,,,you'd have to explain why I misunderstood.
Sure.
But YOU said they were blessed.
You have not shown, with the above, that they were blessed.
But they will be blessed IN HEAVEN.
As I've pointed out to you previously,,,
REWARDS ARE GIVEN IN HEAVEN.
A person must BE IN HEAVEN...
in order to receive a reward.
You had stated that a NT passage was speaking about rewards and NOT heaven.
I pointed out that we need to get to heaven FIRST to receive a reward.
The passage was speaking about getting to heaven..
not getting rewards.
I don't have the copywrite to any bible.
Do you?
And really, no reply is necessary.
Honestly, I don't believe anyone will go to heaven, because as I've argued before, all will go to the grave waiting for resurrection. Lord' Jesus's resurrection is a template for all believers to follow. And with that, I've hereby undermined your premise that "A person must BE IN HEAVEN".