The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[JimiSurvivor]

Circumcision is not in the Ten Commandments, its in the law of Moses as stated.

The Sabbath is a commandment of God, written by God spoken by God and part of the council for Gentiles and clearly shown in Acts 15:21

What do you think the "good news of salvation is?" Is the promise of the gospel not the forgiveness of sins so that we will be able to stand before God without spot or blemish? Will keeping Shabbat make that happen? Are you saying that, even if a person is convicted of sin by the Holy Spirit so that he sincerely REPENTS and PUTS HIS FAITH in Jesus to be his savior, it will NOT happen until the person has committed himself to keep Shabbat (for the rest of his life)?

Must Gentile converts submit to all the laws and regulations of the prior covenant God made with Israel? Wouldn't this require us to keep all the OTHER points of the Law like: (1) keeping all the festivals and holy days and (2) eating kosher (3) and what about circumcision. Also there is the matter of circumcision which was absolutely demanded of Abraham's descendants and subsequently of all those who entered into the covenant of the Law by. ON WHAT BASIS do you dismiss the requirement of circumcision while you insist on full compliance to Shabbat Law?

Paul said we do not attain righteousness (favor and right-standing with God) through "works of the Law" Since Shabbat was a command written in the Law. keeping Shabbat is, by definition a "work of the law" You apparently believe, that keeping Shabbat brings us favor and right standing with God. In fact, you seem to imply that it makes you more righteous than all those other Christians who do not keep it. Paul opposed this idea as contrary to the gospel of salvation.
20 For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it— 22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction:
(Romans 3:20-22)

• Abstain from food sacrificed to idols.
• Avoid consuming blood and meat from strangled animals.
• Refrain from sexual immorality.
• Follow the teachings of the apostles and elders.
• Participate in communal worship and fellowship.
• Embrace the faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

What do you think the "good news of salvation is?" Is the promise of the gospel not the forgiveness of sins so that we will be able to stand before God without spot or blemish? Will keeping Shabbat make that happen? Are you saying that, even if a person is convicted of sin by the Holy Spirit so that he sincerely REPENTS and PUTS HIS FAITH in Jesus to be his savior, it will NOT happen until the person has committed himself to keep Shabbat (for the rest of his life)?

Must Gentile converts submit to all the laws and regulations of the prior covenant God made with Israel? Wouldn't this require us to keep all the OTHER points of the Law like: (1) keeping all the festivals and holy days and (2) eating kosher (3) and what about circumcision. Also there is the matter of circumcision which was absolutely demanded of Abraham's descendants and subsequently of all those who entered into the covenant of the Law by. ON WHAT BASIS do you dismiss the requirement of circumcision while you insist on full compliance to Shabbat Law?

Paul said we do not attain righteousness (favor and right-standing with God) through "works of the Law" Since Shabbat was a command written in the Law. keeping Shabbat is, by definition a "work of the law" You apparently believe, that keeping Shabbat brings us favor and right standing with God. In fact, you seem to imply that it makes you more righteous than all those other Christians who do not keep it. Paul opposed this idea as contrary to the gospel of salvation.
20 For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it— 22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction:
(Romans 3:20-22)

• Abstain from food sacrificed to idols.
• Avoid consuming blood and meat from strangled animals.
• Refrain from sexual immorality.
• Follow the teachings of the apostles and elders.
• Participate in communal worship and fellowship.
• Embrace the faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

Do you think someone can be saved by worshipping other gods? or using His name in vain? Or bowing to idols? Or not honoring our mother and father? Stealing, lying, coveting without a change of heart- repenting- changing our mind and direction? According to God breaking these commandments are sin and the wages of sin is death. Rom6:23

Did you know that breaking the Sabbath came with the same death penalty as breaking the other 9 commandments. Because God never treated it differently, man does, not God.

What gives us the right to pluck out one of God's commandments - the one He said Remember that came with the power of His blessings and sanctification, that God placed in the same unit as only worshipping Him. Without the 4th commandment we would have no idea what God it is we are to worship. Why God in His wisdom wrote Ten Commandments, they are all interconnected, breaking them is sin 1John3:4 breaking one we break them all James 2:10-111 and not the path that leads back to reconciliation Heb10:26-30 because we are making ourself our own god telling the God we are to worship which is part of the everlasting gospel Rev14:6-7 that what He made for us, is not for us, thanks God, but no thanks I don't need your guideance. Its not an example of faith which is how we are saved. By God's grace though faith and faith does not void the law of God but establishes it Rom3:31

 

[Inquisitor]

Jesus while here on earth lived in a fallen world- eating animals was never part of His perfect plan otherwise they would have started at Creation and continued in the New Heaven and New Earth but they don't.

You are twisting what she said. as shown more than once.

It was over a tree, not to eat from one tree. The real test was obeying God's voice or not. They failed. Just like you say its just a day, but to God it is obeying His voice Exo20:6 Luke6:46-49 - He commanded to keep the Sabbath day holy, doing what we want instead is not obeying His voice. Its the same thing as eating from the tree He said not to.

You are confusing devotion to worship. Jesus related worship to obedience to the commandments of God quoting from the Ten Commandments. Mat 15:3-14 Mark7:7-13 We should be devoted to God 24/7/365 but in truly doing that one would not be rebelling against one of God's commandments. They would serve and join themselves to the LORD Isa56:6

You keep using your own words and logic as if that's God's. God never gave Himself a commandment, the Sabbath is something man does according to God Isa56:1-2 Exo20:8-11 where did Jesus change this in one place? You keeping inserting your will and pretending its Gods, we are very plainly told not to add to God's word.

Jesus gives rest, which is from our sin and toils of the world, not permission to sin and break one of His commandments. You will not find this in God's holy word.

Its over worship. Read Rev 13 and Rev 14. The beast/government that implements their mark changed God's times and laws- which we are told plainly in Scripture Dan7:25 and we see a clear history of this and they said the change from Sabbath to Sunday is a mark of their authority over Gods. Its not God's mark so only the beast system can tell us what their mark is and they did, changing corporate worship from Sunday to the Sabbath. Against the authority of God Lev23:3 Exo20:8-11 Isa66:23


Because its not in Scripture, there is no Scripture that says "this is the sign of the new covenant" do that with out having to edit and paste Scripture together.

And God pointed it right back to Creation - you keep deleting this point for some reason. Creation was before Jew, before Israel, before Moses- when God made man Gen1:26 that He made for the Sabbath Exo20:11


Exo 31:17 It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.’ ”

Exo20:11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.




We are all part of the promises through faith.... Gal3:26-29 when God blesses something its forever, you are underestimating God and His power. Man cannot take away what God blesses Exo20:11 Isa56:2 they can only forfeit their own blessing.

No, because it always pointed to what Jesus said He would end at the Cross Dan9:27 Heb10:1-10 Eph 2:11-15.

Its the same death penalty for murder, for adultery, for not honoring your mother and father. The wages of sin is death, Rom6:23 Sin is breaking the law of God 1John3:4 His version, not mans James2:11 if we continue in that path without repenting- changing our minds He said there remains not more sacrifice Heb10:26-30

If gives us everything and asks for so little, our time being one of them, but sadly people want to spend time with God on the day they want that never came with His power of Blessings and Sanctification, they think they can do that apart from God, when God said we can't Isa66:17

Are you saying that you can only gather and break bread once a week?

You can only worship Jesus on one day a week?

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Nice legal bridge you built there. You had to use a lot of verses to try to create an answer. But on your way from the OT to Revelation, you seemed to have built the bridge right over the top of Acts 15:28-29. The way I see it is you’re either saying the Holy Spirit and the apostles were wrong or that they lied to the gentiles. So which is it?

“For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements: that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.””
‭‭Acts‬ ‭15‬:‭28‬-‭29‬ ‭ESV‬‬

The apostles were keeping every Sabbath in Acts 15 in the council for the Gentiles because GOD said it was for everyone, so not sure why you missed that, they didn't.

Acts 15:20 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath

That's fine if you think doing justice and righteousness is meant for Jews only when God said its the foundation of His throne Psa89:14 We do not have to take the LORDS council, we can choose any voice we want.

When He comes back our decisions will be final. Today we have the chance to change our mind but when He comes back our decisions are final- we have chosen sides by who we obey. Rom6:16KJV

Rev 22:11 He who is unjust, let him be unjust still; he who is filthy, let him be filthy still; he who is righteous, let him be righteous still; he who is holy, let him be holy still.”

 

[JimiSurvivor]

Yes, but the Sabbath is an invitation to Join ourselves to the LORD

Isa56:6 “Also the sons of the foreigner (Gentiles)
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant—

Why the Sabbath points us to God our Maker Exo20:11 the only God we are to worship Rev14:7. The other spirit doesn't want us to worship God why He attacks the Sabbath so much so which side are we going to join? The LORDS side how He tells us to. Or another voice.

At that time, foreigners living among the Jewish people could "join themselves to the Lord and serve him" but it was not as easy as simply keeping Shabbat. Historically, a person who wants to join Israel must become Jews in thought and practice (ideally speaking). This means they must study the holy books that comprise the Tenach as well as the Rabbinical literature that defines what is Halacha. Halacha means "walk" and refers to the practical day-to-day things a person is obligated to must do.

Male converts had to be circumcised. This tradition had been given to Abraham and was subsequently culcated into the law by Moses. Traditionally a person does not join Israel by simply not working on Shabbat. Also, though you apparently conflate Keeping Shabbat with "worship" the two are not the same. Many who are very devoted to Judaism have no personal knowledge of or fellowship with God. If you are claiming to have some secret knowledge of how to "worship God on Shabbat" I would like to hear your explanation of that.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

At that time, foreigners living among the Jewish people could "join themselves to the Lord and serve him" but it was not as easy as simply keeping Shabbat. Historically, a person who wants to join Israel must become Jews in thought and practice (ideally speaking). This means they must study the holy books that comprise the Tenach as well as the Rabbinical literature that defines what is Halacha. Halacha means "walk" and refers to the practical day-to-day things a person is obligated to must do.

Male converts had to be circumcised. This tradition had been given to Abraham and was subsequently culcated into the law by Moses. Traditionally a person does not join Israel by simply not working on Shabbat. Also, though you apparently conflate Keeping Shabbat with "worship" the two are not the same. Many who are very devoted to Judaism have no personal knowledge of or fellowship with God. If you are claiming to have some secret knowledge of how to "worship God on Shabbat" I would like to hear your explanation of that.

You are not reading the passage, you are adding your own ideas to God's plain words.

There is no circumcision in the Ten Commandments or in this passage, No one ever needed to be circumcised to keep the Sabbath. The Sabbath started before sin, before Moses, before circumcision, it started at Creation Exo20:11 God Himself is telling everyone to join themselves to HIM, to serve Him, no circumcision needed. Just believe His words and not add ours to His. Our words are not saving our sanctifying His are John17:17 Eze20:12 Trust Him

 

[Just_A__Follower]

The apostles were keeping every Sabbath in Acts 15 in the council for the Gentiles because GOD said it was for everyone, so not sure why you missed that, they didn't.

Acts 15:20 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath

That's fine if you think doing justice and righteousness is meant for Jews only when God said its the foundation of His throne Psa89:14 We do not have to take the LORDS council, we can choose any voice we want.

When He comes back our decisions will be final. Today we have the chance to change our mind but when He comes back our decisions are final- we have chosen sides by who we obey. Rom6:16KJV

Rev 22:11 He who is unjust, let him be unjust still; he who is filthy, let him be filthy still; he who is righteous, let him be righteous still; he who is holy, let him be holy still.”

No I didnt miss it. It’s 15:21 by the way. Do you honestly think that Paul told new gentiles to go to a Jewish synagogue to learn about Jesus? The people that rejected Jesus. The people that put them out(John 16:2). Did Paul say, here’s four things you need to know, now go let the people that hate us teach you the rest?

If the Sabbath was 'for everyone' and the Apostles were so clear about it, why is there not one single command in the letters to the Romans, Galatians, Ephesians, or Colossians telling them to keep the seventh-day Sabbath? If it’s the 'test of the end times,' why did the New Testament writers leave it out of every single letter they wrote to the churches?

 

[Gideon300]

Regarding Passover, this was a direct result of sin. This was never God's intended plan for His animals. God said its better to obey than to sacrifice. 1 Sam15:22 The sacrificial system involved killing animals, yet God repeatedly reminded Israel that what He truly wanted was a merciful and obedient heart. In the same way, while Scripture permits eating animals in a fallen world Gen. 9:3, God’s original creation ideal in Eden involved no animal death Gen. 1:29. So the biblical principle emphasizes obedience to God and His mercy above practices involving the taking of animal life.

Mat19:8 Moses allowed you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But from the beginning it was not so.

Shouldn't we strive to do God's original will for mankind before sin since we see how destructive it is? Why not prepare for heaven now.

Your argument is specious. We live in a body that is fallen. Eating meat makes zero difference to the spiritual condition of a person. Adolf Hitler was a vegetarian. That did nothing to tame his wicked ways. Perhaps a lack of B12 vitamin made him worse. Adventists take scripture out of context and come up with a pretext.

You and your ilk insult vast numbers of devoted believers, some of whom gave their lives for the gospel. I see not one verse in the New Testament that forbids eating meat. Maybe you have a different Bible. You reject everything that contradicts your dead religion and latch onto false interpretations promoted by the false prophet Ellen G White.

The gospel was preached for centuries before Adventism arose. All Adventists have achieved is division and confusion. If you think God is pleased, then you are utterly deceived.

I have nothing against anyone personally. My heart specialist is Muslima. I could easily have demanded a new specialist. She is one created in God's image, even though she is unwittingly controlled by the enemy. Maybe I can be a witness to her. I have nothing against you personally. I am obliged to call out your false gospel.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

No I didnt miss it. It’s 15:21 by the way. Do you honestly think that Paul told new gentiles to go to a Jewish synagogue to learn about Jesus? The people that rejected Jesus.

Well we do not have to take what you think about the situation, the Bible tells us plainly.

Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath. 43 Now when the congregation had broken up, many of the Jews and devout proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God. 45 But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy; and contradicting and blaspheming, they opposed the things spoken by Paul. 46 Then Paul and Barnabas grew bold and said, “It was necessary that the word of God should be spoken to you first; but since you reject it, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, behold, we turn to the Gentiles. 47 For so the Lord has commanded us:

‘I have set you as a light to the Gentiles,
That you should be for salvation to the ends of the earth.’ ”

48 Now when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the word of the Lord. And as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.
49 And the word of the Lord was being spread throughout all the region. 50 But the Jews stirred up the devout and prominent women and the chief men of the city, raised up persecution against Paul and Barnabas, and expelled them from their region. 51 But they shook off the dust from their feet against them, and came to Iconium. 52 And the disciples were filled with joy and with the Holy Spirit

The Sabbath is a holy convocation to worship and hear the word of God thus saith the LORD Lev23:3 Isa66:23 Isa56:6-7

Why instead of day one preaching the gospel, it was every Sabbath, because the Sabbath according to the LORD of the day to keep holy and honor God for all people.

Why we see Sabbath-keeping for God's people because it remains for the people of God.

Why we see Sabbath-keeping for many many generations in every city on every Sabbath preaching God's Word because it was established by God Himself. The enemy of God is who changed God's times and laws Dan7:25 not God, not the apostles, they were servants of God and a servant of God joins themselves to Him and keeps God's Sabbath Isa56:6

Acts 17: 2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures, 3 explaining and demonstrating that the Christ had to suffer and rise again from the dead, and saying, “This Jesus whom I preach to you is the Christ.” 4 And some of them were persuaded; and a great multitude of the devout Greeks, and not a few of the leading women, joined Paul and Silas.

Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

With so many people claiming the Sabbath ended at the Cross or turned into Jesus there is sure a lot of Sabbath keeping hearing the gospel of Christ every Sabbath with Jews and Greeks decades and decades after the Cross. The apostles were told by Jesus to observe everything He commanded - they observed every Sabbath and not once told anyone day 1 is the day we gather. That happened outside of God's word just as predicted. Acts 20:29

The people that put them out(John 16:2). Did Paul say, here’s four things you need to know, now go let the people that hate us teach you the rest?

If the Sabbath was 'for everyone' and the Apostles were so clear about it, why is there not one single command in the letters to the Romans, Galatians, Ephesians, or Colossians telling them to keep the seventh-day Sabbath? If it’s the 'test of the end times,' why did the New Testament writers leave it out of every single letter they wrote to the churches?

You have an interesting way of interpreting Scriptures. Can you point to the verse that each of the commandments are not repeated in every chapter that is deletes the commandments of God. Both Jews and Gentiles were keeping the Sabbath in every city already, Acts15:21 they were already keeping the Sabbath because it is a commandment of God and God's people keep God's commandments Rev14:12

We were told after Scripture that there would be a great falling away.

2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.

No wonder Jesus is calling His people out of these false teachings and back to worshipping the God of Creation Rev14:7 Exo20:11 before its too late Rev18:4

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Your argument is specious. We live in a body that is fallen. Eating meat makes zero difference to the spiritual condition of a person. Adolf Hitler was a vegetarian. That did nothing to tame his wicked ways. Perhaps a lack of B12 vitamin made him worse. Adventists take scripture out of context and come up with a pretext.

You and your ilk insult vast numbers of devoted believers, some of whom gave their lives for the gospel. I see not one verse in the New Testament that forbids eating meat. Maybe you have a different Bible. You reject everything that contradicts your dead religion and latch onto false interpretations promoted by the false prophet Ellen G White.

The gospel was preached for centuries before Adventism arose. All Adventists have achieved is division and confusion. If you think God is pleased, then you are utterly deceived.

I have nothing against anyone personally. My heart specialist is Muslima. I could easily have demanded a new specialist. She is one created in God's image, even though she is unwittingly controlled by the enemy. Maybe I can be a witness to her. I have nothing against you personally. I am obliged to call out your false gospel.

She never said its forbidden. She was speaking about cruelty to animals. It was however never God's original plan to slaughter innocent animals for food, it was only as a result of sin.

Ellen White strongly discouraged eating meat and believed it was not part of God’s ideal, but she did not make it an absolute universal ban. She even said she had “never felt” it was her duty to say no one should eat meat under any circumstances, and she warned against making it a test of fellowship.

God will be the Judge of all people and there is nothing any of us can hide from Him Ecc12:13-14

 

[Gideon300]

She never said its forbidden. She was speaking about cruelty to animals. It was however never God's original plan to slaughter innocent animals for food, it was only as a result of sin.

God will be the Judge of all people and there is nothing any of us can hide from Him Ecc12:13-14

Give me a break. She said that eating meat affected the spiritual condition of people. That is patently wrong. Being vegetarian has no spiritual benefit. And don't bring up Daniel and the other young men. That was a specific instance and to avoid eating anything that was declared unclean by God.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Give me a break. She said that eating meat affected the spiritual condition of people. That is patently wrong. Being vegetarian has no spiritual benefit. And don't bring up Daniel and the other young men. That was a specific instance and to avoid eating anything that was declared unclean by God.

Taken out of context as usual.

 

[Just_A__Follower]

Well we do not have to take what you think about the situation, the Bible tells us plainly.

Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath. 43 Now when the congregation had broken up, many of the Jews and devout proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God. 45 But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy; and contradicting and blaspheming, they opposed the things spoken by Paul. 46 Then Paul and Barnabas grew bold and said, “It was necessary that the word of God should be spoken to you first; but since you reject it, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, behold, we turn to the Gentiles. 47 For so the Lord has commanded us:

‘I have set you as a light to the Gentiles,
That you should be for salvation to the ends of the earth.’ ”

48 Now when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the word of the Lord. And as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.
49 And the word of the Lord was being spread throughout all the region. 50 But the Jews stirred up the devout and prominent women and the chief men of the city, raised up persecution against Paul and Barnabas, and expelled them from their region. 51 But they shook off the dust from their feet against them, and came to Iconium. 52 And the disciples were filled with joy and with the Holy Spirit

The Sabbath is a holy convocation to worship and hear the word of God thus saith the LORD Lev23:3 Isa66:23 Isa56:6-7

Why instead of day one preaching the gospel, it was every Sabbath, because the Sabbath according to the LORD of the day to keep holy and honor God for all people.

Why we see Sabbath-keeping for God's people because it remains for the people of God.

Why we see Sabbath-keeping for many many generations in every city on every Sabbath preaching God's Word because it was established by God Himself. The enemy of God is who changed God's times and laws Dan7:25 not God, not the apostles, they were servants of God and a servant of God joins themselves to Him and keeps God's Sabbath Isa56:6

Acts 17: 2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures, 3 explaining and demonstrating that the Christ had to suffer and rise again from the dead, and saying, “This Jesus whom I preach to you is the Christ.” 4 And some of them were persuaded; and a great multitude of the devout Greeks, and not a few of the leading women, joined Paul and Silas.

Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

With so many people claiming the Sabbath ended at the Cross or turned into Jesus there is sure a lot of Sabbath keeping hearing the gospel of Christ every Sabbath with Jews and Greeks decades and decades after the Cross. The apostles were told by Jesus to observe everything He commanded - they observed every Sabbath and not once told anyone day 1 is the day we gather. That happened outside of God's word just as predicted. Acts 20:29

You’re missing a huge point: Paul went to the synagogues because that’s where the people were, not because he was commanding Gentiles to become Jews or because he was continuing in his Jewish roots. In Acts 13:46, he says it was 'necessary' to speak to the Jews first. Once they rejected him, he turned to the Gentiles and started meeting in private homes (Acts 18:7). And in Acts 20:7 yes they gathered to break bread on Sunday.

You have an interesting way of interpreting Scriptures. Can you point to the verse that each of the commandments are not repeated in every chapter that is deletes the commandments of God.

What???

Both Jews and Gentiles were keeping the Sabbath in every city already, Acts15:21 they were already keeping the Sabbath because it is a commandment of God and God's people keep God's commandments Rev14:12

Your interpretation of Acts 15:21 is completely absurd. The verse says nothing about anyone keeping the sabbath. It simply says that the Jews have been reading the Torah on the sabbath for generations. Starting to think you just google every verse with the word sabbath in it and change the meaning to turn it into a command.

We were told after Scripture that there would be a great falling away.

2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.

It is ironic you mention fables, because in Titus 1:14 Paul specifically warns against giving heed to Jewish fables and commandments of men. If the Sabbath is the final test for all humanity, why did we have to wait 1,800 years for a special messenger in the 1840s to rediscover it?

No wonder Jesus is calling His people out of these false teachings and back to worshipping the God of Creation Rev14:7 Exo20:11 before its too late Rev18:4

The Holy Spirit and the Apostles had every chance to make it a requirement in Acts 15:28, but they explicitly left it off the list of necessary things for Gentiles. I’ll stick with the sound doctrine of the Apostles and the Seal of the Spirit (Ephesians 4:30) rather than a 19th century reinterpretation of a calendar.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

You’re missing a huge point: Paul went to the synagogues because that’s where the people were,

So if thats the case when the Gentiles asked for more gospel preaching the “next Sabbath” Acts 13:42 why did not Paul correct them or anyone for that matter. But instead they observed every Sabbath 30+ years after the Cross both Jews and Gentiles, just as Jesus predicted Isa 56:6-7 Mat24:20 and will continue for eternity for worship thus saith the LORD Isa66:22-23

not because he was commanding Gentiles to become Jews or because he was continuing in his Jewish roots.

Says zero Scripture. Keeping the Sabbath has nothing to do with being Jewish, it is joining oneself to the LORD according to the LORD Isa 56:6 sadly that does not count for much these days.

In Acts 13:46, he says it was 'necessary' to speak to the Jews first. Once they rejected him, he turned to the Gentiles and started meeting in private homes (Acts 18:7). And in Acts 20:7 yes they gathered to break bread on Sunday.

A one time meeting in all of 30+ years that was not a church service nor did the apostles every teach one person to keep every day one instead of God’s Sabbath because he followed what is according to Christ. Col2:8 According to Christ the Sabbath was made for man, not the first day, Jesus is LORD of the Sabbath day, the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD, the holy day of the LORD meaning there is no other, just a counterfeit. Dan7:25

It is ironic you mention fables, because in Titus 1:14 Paul specifically warns against giving heed to Jewish fables and commandments of men. If the Sabbath is the final test for all humanity, why did we have to wait 1,800 years for a special messenger in the 1840s to rediscover it?

Wow, so not the Sabbath of the LORD Exo20:10 that comes with the power of God’s Blessing Exo20:11 and Sanctification Gen2:3 Eze 20:12, THE holy day of the LORD thus saith the LORD Isa58:13 is a Jewish fable.

Isa 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;
Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness;
Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

The Holy Spirit and the Apostles had every chance to make it a requirement in Acts 15:28, but they explicitly left it off the list of necessary things for Gentiles. I’ll stick with the sound doctrine of the Apostles and the Seal of the Spirit (Ephesians 4:30) rather than a 19th century reinterpretation of a calendar.

They were already keeping the Sabbath every Sabbath in every City and the apostles were not God’s corrector, they were professed servants of the LORD Rom1:1 and a servant of the LORD serves God the way God asks Isa56:6, not the way one feels. That’s the difference between being a servant or a stiff-necked rebellious child.

It’s time to move on. God will sort this all out in His time.

 

[Just_A__Follower]

So if thats the case when the Gentiles asked for more gospel preaching the “next Sabbath” Acts 13:42 why did not Paul correct them or anyone for that matter. But instead they observed every Sabbath 30+ years after the Cross both Jews and Gentiles, just as Jesus predicted Isa 56:6-7 Mat24:20 and will continue for eternity for worship thus saith the LORD Isa66:22-23

Says zero Scripture. Keeping the Sabbath has nothing to do with being Jewish, it is joining oneself to the LORD according to the LORD Isa 56:6 sadly that does not count for much these days.

A one time meeting in all of 30+ years that was not a church service nor did the apostles every teach one person to keep every day one instead of God’s Sabbath because he followed what is according to Christ. Col2:8 According to Christ the Sabbath was made for man, not the first day, Jesus is LORD of the Sabbath day, the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD, the holy day of the LORD meaning there is no other, just a counterfeit. Dan7:25

Wow, so not the Sabbath of the LORD Exo20:10 that comes with the power of God’s Blessing Exo20:11 and Sanctification Gen2:3 Eze 20:12, THE holy day of the LORD thus saith the LORD Isa58:13 is a Jewish fable.

Isa 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;
Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness;
Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

They were already keeping the Sabbath every Sabbath in every City and the apostles were not God’s corrector, they were professed servants of the LORD Rom1:1 and a servant of the LORD serves God the way God asks Isa56:6, not the way one feels. That’s the difference between being a servant or a stiff-necked rebellious child.

It’s time to move on. God will sort this all out in His time.

We are definitely talking in circles. You keep saying the Gentiles were 'already keeping the Sabbath' in Acts 15:21, but if that were true, the 'legalists' in verse 5 would have had nothing to complain about. There wouldn't have been a dispute to settle if everyone was already doing what you claim.

By calling the Sabbath the ultimate test of loyalty, you’re adding a greater burden that the Holy Spirit explicitly left out of the list of necessary things for Gentiles. You’re choosing to follow a 19th-century special messenger who claimed that eating meat animalizes the nature and deadens the moral powers, concepts that Jesus never taught.

I’ll stick with the simple Gospel the Apostles actually wrote down: that we are justified by faith in Jesus, not by a calendar. If washing my robes in the Blood of the Lamb (Rev 22:14) isn't enough to get me through the gates without a Saturday signature, then your version of Jesus isn't the one in the Bible. I'm done with the debate, so I’ll leave the last word to you. Peace

 

[Dino246]

The apostles were keeping every Sabbath in Acts 15 in the council for the Gentiles because GOD said it was for everyone, so not sure why you missed that, they didn't.

Acts 15:20 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath

The text does not say what you think it says.

Gentiles were able to hear the word of God (the old testament) preached on the Sabbath because the Jews assembled on the Sabbath, and Gentiles were permitted to attend and listen (though not to participate otherwise). Were the apostles in every city? No.

There is nothing in the text suggesting let alone actually stating that the apostles were "keeping every Sabbath".

 

[SabbathBlessing]

We are definitely talking in circles. You keep saying the Gentiles were 'already keeping the Sabbath' in Acts 15:21, but if that were true, the 'legalists' in verse 5 would have had nothing to complain about. There wouldn't have been a dispute to settle if everyone was already doing what you claim.

By calling the Sabbath the ultimate test of loyalty, you’re adding a greater burden that the Holy Spirit explicitly left out of the list of necessary things for Gentiles. You’re choosing to follow a 19th-century special messenger who claimed that eating meat animalizes the nature and deadens the moral powers, concepts that Jesus never taught.

I’ll stick with the simple Gospel the Apostles actually wrote down: that we are justified by faith in Jesus, not by a calendar. If washing my robes in the Blood of the Lamb (Rev 22:14) isn't enough to get me through the gates without a Saturday signature, then your version of Jesus isn't the one in the Bible. I'm done with the debate, so I’ll leave the last word to you. Peace

You may believe spending time with God on the day God asked is bondage but not the apostles. What the apotles were discussing is found in the very first verse Acts15:1 about circumcision for salvation , nothing to do with if Gentiles should or should not keep one of God’s commandments. I think its a huge mistake to separate God from one of His commandments and try to impose our own enmity against the law of God Rom8:7-8 onto the apostles, when they clearly did not do that as shown by their actions over Sabbath-keeping. You can take EGW out of context you can take the Scriptures out of context, God will sort it all out soon enough.

 

[Gideon300]

You may believe spending time with God on the day God asked is bondage but not the apostles. What the apotles were discussing is found in the very first verse Acts15:1 about circumcision for salvation , nothing to do with if Gentiles should or should not keep one of God’s commandments. I think its a huge mistake to separate God from one of His commandments and try to impose our own enmity against the law of God Rom8:7-8 onto the apostles, when they clearly did not do that as shown by their actions over Sabbath-keeping. You can take EGW out of context you can take the Scriptures out of context, God will sort it all out soon enough.

Funny how the early church ignored SDA false teachings. Oh. They could not. SDA didn't show up for another 1800 years or so. Somehow, believers managed without SDA, evangelised much of the world and changed it forever.

"With one accord they continued to meet daily in the temple courts and to break bread from house to house, sharing their meals with gladness and sincerity of heart, praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved." Acts 2:46 & 47

Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a feast, a New Moon, or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the body that casts it belongs to Christ." Colossians 2:16

It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond these essential requirements: You must abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals, and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Acts 15:28 & 29.

Tell me where it says that we must observe the sabbath.

Now the Spirit expressly states that in later times some will abandon the faith to follow deceitful spirits and the teachings of demons, influenced by the hypocrisy of liars, whose consciences are seared with a hot iron. They will prohibit marriage and require abstinence from certain foods that God has created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.

I know, it is not mandatory to be a vegetarian if you are SDA. But for something not that important, SDA sure carry on about it. Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks.

It is plain that the early church were not vegetarians. Jesus cooked up some fish for the disciples after He rose from the dead. It is plain that eating meet has no influence on an individual's spiritual state. Sorry Ellen, God's word contradicts you. I don't know where you got your vision from, but it was not from God.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Funny how the early church ignored SDA false teachings. Oh. They could not. SDA didn't show up for another 1800 years or so. Somehow, believers managed without SDA, evangelised much of the world and changed it forever.

We were warned after Scripture what would happen to God's church

Acts 20:29 For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock.

God's true church has always been a remnant and according to the Bible these are their traits:


Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

These are of course the commandments of God that God wrote and God spoke - the Testimony of God Exo31:18 who can edit God? No one and He said He would not, Psa89:34 Mat5:18-19

"With one accord they continued to meet daily in the temple courts and to break bread from house to house, sharing their meals with gladness and sincerity of heart, praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved." Acts 2:46 & 47

Amen they ate from house to house- which has nothing to do with deleting a commandment of God. Being in fellowship with one another was never against any commandment of God.

Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a feast, a New Moon, or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the body that casts it belongs to Christ." Colossians 2:16

Yes, the ceremonial sabbaths the ones that were in the context that you left out shown in v14 that have to do with handwritten ordinances that were contrary and against. To try to force this to be about the weekly Sabbath is saying God made man on the sixth day and the next day the first Sabbath was made AGAINST mankind the opposite of what Jesus said Mar2:27- this is really an attack on God because God made the Sabbath for man to bless Isa56:2 and sanctify Eze20:12 so obviously the context here is wrong. Col2:16 are about the annual feast days that have to do with food and drink offerings that some were also called sabbaths, the ones besides the Sabbath of the LORD-Lev 23 that required animal sacrifices which is why they were shadows. Heb10:1-10 Paul is not deleting the 4th commandment- Paul is not God's corrector- he was a servant and Paul in this very passage said everything Paul taught had to be according to Christ Col2:8 so where did Christ teach one person not to keep the Sabbath? He taught the opposite over and over again, why I would be careful how we interpet Scripture 2Peter3:16

It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond these essential requirements: You must abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals, and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Acts 15:28 & 29.

So delete only worshipping God, stealing from our neighbor, murdering them- got it. I see why Paul had such a strong warning about his writings.

Tell me where it says that we must observe the sabbath.

Only those who want to join themselves to the LORD, love and serve Him Isa56:6 John14:15 its an invitation we don't have to do anything - God never forces us- He knocks- we have to do our part.

Now the Spirit expressly states that in later times some will abandon the faith to follow deceitful spirits and the teachings of demons, influenced by the hypocrisy of liars, whose consciences are seared with a hot iron. They will prohibit marriage and require abstinence from certain foods that God has created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.

God said all His commandments are Truth Psa119:151 and when we do not keep them there is no truth in us 1John2:4

I know, it is not mandatory to be a vegetarian if you are SDA. But for something not that important, SDA sure carry on about it. Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks.

Another false accusation.

It is plain that the early church were not vegetarians. Jesus cooked up some fish for the disciples after He rose from the dead. It is plain that eating meet has no influence on an individual's spiritual state. Sorry Ellen, God's word contradicts you. I don't know where you got your vision from, but it was not from God.

Another out of context statements.

 

[GWH]

I know the Decalogue is part of the OC, which has been superseded by the NC/Gospel (per Heb. 7:11-10:1), which is:

1. There is a/one all-loving and just Lord or Creator God (Deut. 6:4, John 3:16, 2Thes. 1:6), who loves sinful humanity (Rom. 5:6-8, John 3:16) and who is both able (2Tim. 1:12) and willing (1Tim. 2:3-4, Ezek. 33:11) to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation or heaven—a wonderful life full of love, joy and peace forever.
2. Human beings are selfish or sinful (Rom. 3:23, 2Tim. 3:2-4, Col. 3:5), miserable (Gal. 5:19-21), and hopeless (Eph. 2:12) or hell-bound at the judgment (Matt. 23:33 & 25:46) when they reject God’s salvation (John 3:18, Rom. 2:5-11).
3. Jesus is God’s Messiah/Christ and incarnate Son, the way that God has chosen (John 3:16, Acts 16:30-31, Phil. 2:9-11) of providing salvation by means of his atoning death on the cross for the payment of the penalty for the sins of humanity (Rom. 3:22-25 & 5:9-11), followed by his resurrection to reign in heaven (1Cor. 15:14-28).
4. Thus, every person who hears the NT Gospel needs to repent and accept God’s grace or justification in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (Luke 2:11, John 14:6, Acts 16:31), at which moment God’s loving Holy Spirit of Christ indwells/baptizes the believer into the church (Rev. 3:20, Rom. 5:5, 1Cor. 12:13).
5. Loving Christ Jesus as Lord (Luke 2:11), God the Son (Matt. 16:16) or God in the human dimension (Col. 2:9) means reflecting divine love (DL) as empowered by the Holy Spirit, thereby obeying His command to love one another (Matt. 7:21, 22:37-40, John 13:35, Rom. 13:9)—forever (Matt. 10:22, Psa. 113:2), which will eventually achieve spiritual maturity on earth and heaven after Christ returns at God’s resurrection (John 14:6, 17&26, Rom. 8:6-17, Gal. 6:7-9, Eph. 1:13-14, Phil. 3:12-16, Heb. 10:36, 12:1, Jam. 1:2-4).