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Yes and it takes time to come to the knowledge of truth , and the truth sets us free . There are errors that the truth sets us free from . I found from reading the Bible rather than listening to others . That way we get the understanding from God . Romans ch 9,10, 11 very well explain Gods mercy . 9.15 . Also it was good reading these chapters so much in them in relation to Israel and gentiles . Learning to abide in Christ is the victory over sin and the world through the Love of God and so precious. It’s not just a salvation from the penalty of sin , but salvation by the life of Christ from sin and death .
I would add it takes time to mature and some people are slow to mature Apostle Paul said to some that they should be teachers but are still in need of being taught, this is a result of false teaching and giving in to temptation or not seeking after the Lord whole heartedly, what ever reason . Faith is a fruit of the word of God as I see it and God gives it we do not generate it on our own . First comes repentance and we can not do that without Gods help , then faith in the work of Christ through faith unto salvation and onward . It’s all the work of God . So much more can be said . So let’s read the word of God I’m just scratching the surface.
 
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I would add it takes time to mature and some people are slow to mature Apostle Paul said to some that they should be teachers but are still in need of being taught, this is a result of false teaching and giving in to temptation or not seeking after the Lord whole heartedly, what ever reason . Faith is a fruit of the word of God as I see it and God gives it we do not generate it on our own . First comes repentance and we can not do that without Gods help , then faith in the work of Christ through faith unto salvation and onward . It’s all the work of God . So much more can be said . So let’s read the word of God I’m just scratching the surface.
One final thought it’s the faithfulness of Jesus Christ in obedience to His Father on our behalf . That gives me great comfort!
 
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Yes I believe this is gods gift of mercy offered freely without cost to everyone all of creation

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭

The gospel in my belief , is what God has done for us that offers salvation to believers . and then he sent out his witnesses to all creation to spread the news of gods kingdom offering salvation to all who believed the message

Our part is to accept and abide in the doctrine Christ taught believers in the gospel , as we learn it .like children learn lessons from thier father

Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God.

He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not
into your house, neither bid him God speed:”
‭‭2 John‬ ‭1:9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Notice Christs doctrine was never just “ don’t do this “ don’t do this or else “ do this thing or else “ it was much more about planting seeds n the mknds and hearts of the listeners that would induce consideration about the message he was preaching . His sermons and sayings really take us considering and praying and over time things make sense as we mature and continue forward” pressing toward the goal to win the prize “

It’s a process of maturing and not a boy being born again but growing up in him. This is already provided for in the gospel even the gift of the Holy Ghost is a fruit of hearing and believing the gospel. Which is Gods grand work for mankind and his design for our salvation
I find it interesting you did not say what the doctrine of Christ actually is !
 
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Paul wrote as it pertaineth to the Mystery,

Eph 2:11-13

11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 that at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13 but now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

Now the Gentiles are part of the commonweath of Israel, One Body Eph 2:16

and that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

Paul illustrates this truth here n Rom 11:17,24

And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;


For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

The Good olive tree is the commonwealth of Israel, Spiritual Israel, not the ethnic nation of israel. See there were two Israels, Paul brings that point out here Rom 9:6

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

One of these is Spiritual Israel the commonweath, and the other is national ethnic israel pertaining to the flesh !


The Gentile converts were grafted into Israel the commonwealth Spiritual Israel, the elect remnant of Grace within national israel !
 
The commonwealth of Israel within the physical nation, God never willed or purposed to cut them off, for they are the remnant according to the election of Grace Rom 11:5

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. These are Gods People whom He foreknew Rom 11:2

2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.[See Rom 8:29] These are His Sheep Jn 10:14

14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
 
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Has anyone ever realized that the jews are indigenous to the land called Israel?
Gods promises to the jews include the land and in that land the promises happen. The blessings happen, the celebrations happen.
In fact the Jewish law and even it agriculture is exclusive to the land called Israel.
The Torah is not just a story book but it is the constitution of the Jewish people of what they eat, dress, worship, celebrate, in short how they should live in the land called Israel.
Before 1948 Israel was considered a barren wasteland according to mark Twain and many others.
Only when the Jewish people returned did it prosper. Gods regathering transformed not only the landscape but also the whole middle east inline with the future prophecies to come to pass.
To say that the Jewish people stolen the land by way of political involvement is completely absurd.
You have the Jewish people, the land, and the Torah. If you take away any one of the three you don't have a Israel.
I dont believe in a spiritual Israel but a spirit filled Israel to take place according to the word of the Lord.
as the day will come when God will  pour out his spirit on the house of david.
 
The holy spirit was poured out on Israel nearly 2000 years ago, and that hasn't stopped. Neo-pharisee Christians don't believe that, though, because they are double-minded and stuck in unbelief.
 
The holy spirit was poured out on Israel nearly 2000 years ago, and that hasn't stopped. Neo-pharisee Christians don't believe that, though, because they are double-minded and stuck in unbelDavid.

Blood was poured out 2000 yrs ago my friend. Were you spirit filled before you were saved?
And thanks for the name calling , just can't have a conversation without it can you?
Let's make up some more word salad insults as it seem to be a trend these days.
What your pointing to in acts are a shadow of things to come. Israel ( the jews) needed to be scattered among the nations
Then brought back called the regathering to Israel (the land) still believing in Torah there way of life or constitution.
Jew Torah land....this is Israel.
 
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So if Gentiles have been grafted into the commonwealth of Israel, that makes them Israel. No not national ethnic Israel the spiritual Ishmael's, but spiritual Israel, the spiritual Isaac's, the children of promise. Paul speaking to the body of Christ composed of both Jews and Gentile believers in Christ says to them Gal 4:28

28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise
 
So if Gentiles have been grafted into the commonwealth of Israel, that makes them Israel. No not national ethnic Israel the spiritual Ishmael's, but spiritual Israel, the spiritual Isaac's, the children of promise. Paul speaking to the body of Christ composed of both Jews and Gentile believers in Christ says to them Gal 4:28

28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise

What is your definition of spiritual Israel. Would you say spirit filled Israel is more fitting?
 
Anyone born again by the Spirit

When in my teens my girlfriends mom led me closer to the lord. I asked one day what her nationality was she said she was Jewish.
That caught me by surprise and told her I thought you didnt believe in new testament as she was fellowshipping in a pentecostal church.. she responded by saying she was a completed jew.
Have you heard of such a thing?
 
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Eph 2:13-15

but now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. 14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; 15 having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Now we know Paul is talking about Old Testament Israel here, with the ordinances, law of commandments, middle wall of partition, but now OT Israel, the commonwealth, the election of grace Eph 1:4, now this commonwealth has joined to it gentiles of the same election of grace Eph 1:4 and this forms, manifests One New Israel commonwealth which is the Church, and always has been the church of Christ.
 

A Saviour unto Israel

Acts 13:23

Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:

This was not peter here, but paul, the apostle unto the gentiles, who makes this very important statement, and sheds much light upon for whom Jesus Christ came to save as according to promise..

Another important scripture that lends to the truth of this is Lk 1:68-69


68Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people, [see Matt 1: 21]

69
And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David; 70As he spake [or promised] by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:

This promise of redemption of His people, as the Lord God of Israel, hath been revealed and promised since the world began..

This takes us back to the first proclamation of the promised salvation or redemption to Gen 3:15

15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel

This seed of the women would be Israel [Christ and His People]..and the which, salvations first promise is to and for this seed Israel, the seed of the women..

This is some what typed out or signified in Rev 12:1-2

1And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

2
And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. [the birth of Jesus Christ]

This women had also a seed as we see later in Rev 12:17

17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

[ so Christ and his Members are the seed of the women Gal 3:16,29]


So salvation and redemption from the conception of the world, had only a particular seed in view, which later became known as Israel..

But now, its important to understand, that the Israel paul is referring to in Acts 13:23..is not Israel according to the flesh..but Israel according to Promise..

Lets show here how paul discerned another Israel other than national Israel Rom 9:6

Not as though the word [or promise] of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel [Acts 13:23],] which are of Israel [nationally]:

You see, the promises of redemption and salvation as stated in Lk 1:68-70, to the people of God, the God of Israel, the promise were not to national israel..but a spiritual remnant within that nation, and as we will find out, a spiritual remnant among the nations of the world, which constituted Israel,[Rom 11] the one paul preached in Acts 13:23

Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:

Now paul had the Israel of God [Rom 9:6] in view when he made this statement in the above..

Now get this next point, for its tricky, but nevertheless its extremely important because of the symmetry and analogy of scripture.

The difference between what paul preached here in Acts 13 :23 and what peter taught here in Acts 5:31

Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

The difference is this..for peter was correct in that Jesus was exalted to the right hand of God to give repentance to a certain chosen people Israel..but what peter did not know but what paul did know..is this:

That Israel was no longer viewed as a mere physical ethnic nation, but that Israel was comprised of Gentiles as well, who became Israel..

Notice Eph 2:12,19

12That at that time ye [gentiles] were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

19Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

They [Gentiles] are now no more strangers and aliens, but fellowcitizens [of Israel Gods chosen people] and so now they also have the same right to be called Israel,

in fact, even more of a right than the non elect jews of that nation..because the Israel of God was never non elect jews, but Elect Jews like Jacob over Esau or Isaac over ishmael..Children of promise..

So salvation and redemption has always been limited unto Israel as a people, but the mystery that was not clearly unveiled since the world began [Gen 3:15]

Eph 3:3-6


3How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

4Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

5Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;


6That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel: [Lk 1: 68-70]


In that Israel was made up of Gentiles also.. Yes that's the unveiling in more detail by Paul of this mystery..[Israel of God was never a physical nation but a Spiritual people or Nation Rom 2,1Pet 2 ]

but nevertheless, true to promise, salvation and redemption is and has always been limited to a chosen people [Israel]..not limited to a certain geographical location as national Israel in the middle east or a certain ethical people [respect of persons], but the scope of this Israel of God is world wide. But nevertheless its only to the world of Gods Israel, all others, are blinded..

You know how paul says in Rom 9: 6

For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:


So likewise, they are not all the world [for whom Christ died] which are of the world [the inhabited earth]

Just like there was an Israel within Israel that God had a respect and favor for, likewise there is a world within the world that God has a special regard for, and that world is the Israel of God, the Spiritual seed of Abraham.
 
Salvation Limited to Israel

Here are some more scriptures that set forth the particular nature of salvation from types.

In looking forward to the work of the cross and its accomplishments and its attending blessings, and to who they applied, we have this in Zech 12:10

10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Notice here to whom the spiritual blessings of repentance was to be poured out to.

Not everyone in the whole wide world, but to the house of David and the inhabitants of jerusalem.

The Jerusalem here is not the city in Israel, but the jerusalem from above:

Gal 4:12

But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Heb 12:23

But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

Zech 12 is describing their conversion because of the power and blessings of the cross.

Notice it says the house of David ! The House of David or the Tabernacle of David includes the gentiles.

This we see Acts 15:14-16

14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.


15
And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,

16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

The gentiles are called the tabernacle of David, intimating the mystery that Paul fully taught about in His Ministry, but we see here that the apostle James had somewhat been enlightened of the scripture, for he quotes Amos 9:11-12


11 In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:

12
That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and of all the heathen, which are called by my name, saith the LORD that doeth this.

And he of course applies this to the out calling of a people from amongst the gentiles to be a people for Gods name sake. The LORD GOD OF ISRAEL.

Zech 13:1

1 In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.

Again, particularly pointing out to whom the fountain was open to that cleanses from sin and uncleaness [the blood of Christ] it was not to or for all mankind, but for the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the house of David.

These designations indicate Gods elect apart from the other inhabitants of the world..

So God has always kept a particular discriminate people to whom He deals with favorably, over and above other people. And its by His grace alone.
 
Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

They failed
They did not anoint Jesus or accept Him as the most Holy.

Luk 13:34-35
34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not! 35 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate:....

The children of God are those that accept Jesus as their saviour.

Rom 8:9 Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:28-29
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

We are one in Christ Jesus. Israelites generally don't believe in Jesus but say evil things about Him so they are not part of this family of God.

Zionism is a human invention. An evil teaching that has decieved many people.
 
More on the Mystery

Back to the Mystery that Paul was called to expound on more so than any other apostle, and which he proclaimed[ by the gospel] is that the True

Israel of God [ Gal 6:16], the True seed of abraham [ Rom 9:8 , Heb 2:16] who are the heirs of the promises of God [ Gal 3: 7,29 ; 2 Cor 1:20; Rom 15:8; Acts 13:32] are a body composed of all those, whether jew by birth or gentile by birth, who are of the Faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all [Rom 4:16,13]vs 13

13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

The world here is that world that Abraham was made Father of as in Gen 17:5

5Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

People of the many nations are this world. 1
 
Jesus christ being a Saviour is not complete if sinners are not converted unto Him and God. Even David , after being restored, promised God that sinners would be converted unto Thee Ps 51:12-13

12Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.

13Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee.

Now how much more, the Great Antitype, who was restored by His resurrection from the grave, how much more will He teach sinners [by his Holy Spirit] and that they shall be converted unto God ?

That was one of the ends in Jesus christ dying, in order to bring the sheep back to God.. 1 Pet 3:18

18For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

So the death of Christ doesnt just make salvation possible, but it in fact makes effectual the conversion of all for whom He died and rose again.
 
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The seed of Israel shall be justified !

In keeping with the particular , discriminating nature of Gods Love and Salvation. That its for a special people Israel as Paul preached in Acts 13:23

23Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:

No promise to anyone else..



here is more scripture proof of the same: Isa 45:25

25In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory

In the LORD, that is in the Lord Jesus Christ, whom is the True Israel of God. Isa 49:3

3And said unto me, Thou [Jesus Christ] art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.


For it is He [ Jesus Christ] that Has prevailed with God, whom is a Prince with God, and His seed with Him, that is, those who had been chosen in him before the world began. Eph 1:4

Isa 49:3Thou are my Servant , O Israel in whom I will be Glorifed cp Jn 17:4

4I I [Jesus christ] have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.


Now those chosen in Him [ Jesus christ], are too created for Gods Glory Isa 43:7,21

7Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.

21This people [not all people] have I formed for myself; they shall shew forth my praise.

1 Pet 2:9

9But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

Now the Promise of Justification is for Israel [ a distinct people] and not Israel after the Flesh, for all the promises to her were conditional and confined to this earth, and that covenant she broke :

Jer 31:32

32Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

Heb 8:9

9Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

But the Israel of God, chosen In the True Israel Servant of God, The Lord Jesus Christ.

The Gospel promises have always been directed towards a certain seed, a special chosen people of God known as Israel. Which fleshly israel only typified, because the True Israel is not chosen by race, but by Grace. For The Lord is the Hope of His people Israel..

Joel 3:16

16The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.


Paul preached even as the Apostle to the gentiles [and because he knew the mystery] That God raised up a Saviour unto the whole world ? No, but unto Israel He raised up a Saviour..

The Lord is the Hope of His people, not the devils People..

Closing references:

Isa 43:20-21

20The beast of the field shall honour me, the dragons and the owls: because I give waters in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert, to give drink to my people, my chosen.

21This people have I formed for myself; they shall shew forth my praise.

Joel 2:26,27,32

26And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my people shall never be ashamed.

27And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.

32And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call. cp Acts 2:39

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For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call.


The Angel announced this blessed Truth about Jesus Matt 1:21

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And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.


All those who teach that there is no discrimination with God, in that He chose a special people above all the Rest to be their God, and they His People and wrought salvation for them..


All such are teaching a false Gospel.1
 
Some subscribe to what is known as replacement theology. They reject the idea that God has any purpose for the modern nation of Israel. I find this patently absurd, for reasons I've already stated.

This morning I was listening to the late Derek Prince, who was literally there at the rebirth of the nation of Israel. He knows the scriptures as well as anyone, and better than most. He quoted one that I've overlooked to date and that answers a claim made by superessionists.

In the book of Revelation, John was receiving a vision of the last days. Most scholars believe this was written about 95 AD. Jesus was well and truly ascended, glorified and ruling and reigning. This is how Jesus is described: (Revelation 5:5)

Then one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep! Behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed to open the scroll and its seven seals.”

Replacement theology has no place in a believer's life. It can lead to antisemitism, as many Jews found to their cost. Salvation is still of the Jews. To show contempt for Israel is to belittle God's plan for that nation. We should be supporting Israel with our prayers and, if we able, with practical help. The world hastens to condemn Israel for Gaza's situation, ignoring the fact that the people of Gaza brought it on themselves. Many Israelis have lost their homes because of missile attacks, farmland has been destroyed and many farms were abandoned because of constant attacks by Hezbollah and Hamas.

I do not hear of aid convoys pouring into Israel. I do hear the constant lies about aid centres been shot at by the IDF. The reality is that Hamas has murdered many who seek food for themselves and their families. Hamas seeks to control aid distribution. They profit from it by selling it and they steal it to feed their fighters.

The world is under the control of Satan. We should not be surprised if the world hates Israel. As the church, we should know better.
Replacement theology is an essential part of the Bible. We see this in the saying in Hebrews 8:13: "The old has passed away; the new is here." Replacement theology has been a part of church history from the very beginning. It was only suppressed after the Second World War, primarily through the efforts of Philosemites.

But what exactly does replacement theology teach with regard to the people of Israel? It says that the ethnic people of Israel have been replaced by spiritual Israel. While the ethnic people of Israel consist of the biological descendants of Jacob, spiritual Israel consists of the spiritual descendants of Jesus, who himself replaced Jacob. Jesus is the new Jacob, and the 13 apostles are the new 13 sons of Jacob. And Christendom is the new Jewry, or in other words, the new Israel.

Who is part of the new Israel? Everyone who follows God's law. And that can be people from all nations, including ethnic Israel. However, the majority of ethnic Israel is not part of it. Paul himself said that only a remnant of ethnic Israel would be saved.