Loss of salvation???
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It tough when we have to give examples to you of what words meant at the time of writing.
Am shutting down.
Jeremiah 17:7 seems to be referring to the seed in Matthew 13:7/22...
choked by worldly cares and worries.
The point?
Verse 5 and 8 are referring to those that believed in Jesus....
which includes trust.
If we believe Jesus,,,
we trust Jesus.
Trust is a component of belief.
Although only verse 8 was saved and did not fall away.
The one in verse 8 fell away.
I will try this way
When you are filled with the Holy Spirit and walking in truth?
You can not be immoral.
Yes, you can grieve the Holy Spirit, and become immoral. Mentally! Not overtly.
But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already
committed adultery with her in his heart." Matthew 5:28
I can tell from your posts that you are BOTH
a spiritual person
and
a moral person.
You'll work it out with God.
It has to do with my to do with my consideration of the root that endures, where the others do not. You've asserted that every soil is representative of believers, except for the first if I understand correctly, that did not endure in their belief, except for the last. They all heard the gospel and believed but for one reason or another they fell away. My perspective takes into consideration Jesus' distinction of the good soil in his explanation as the one who hears and understands it. This implies none of the others did this, and this is the impetus of its connection to confidence, imo, seeing that not many would put confidence in anything that they do not sufficiently understand.
I see it as referring to the good soil. Blessed is the man who trusts in the LORD, whose confidence is in Him.
That is, he won't fall away if he hears and understands the gospel.
So we could be adulterous mentally....
but not physically....
I thought you didn't believe in sinless perfection.
I guess you do.
Now....IF we can grieve the Holy Spirit mentally,,,
do we need to confess it?
You must spend a lot of time confessing,,,
just judging from your remarks on this thread.
And if we cannot grieve the Holy Spirit
WHY would John make provision for this??
1 John 1:9-10
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.
Yes sir.
Incorrect theology creates a lot of confusion, problems and conflicts.
Not what Jesus would want.
Your confusion stems from having a foundation of too many false teachings.....
Which you assume to be perfectly alright.
It would take months of willingness on your part and a true desire to learn to get you to be on the same page.
No, thank you.
In the meanwhile, your portion does bring out contrasts, that when dealt with, will help others seeking for life.
Just stay your usual contradictory self
You're reading your own belief system into the parable.
We must take jesus at His word.
Who sufficiently understands God?
Persons are saved that have never read the bible.
Persons have been saved that have never heard the gospel.
Romans 1:19-20
19 because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them.
20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.
God has always revealed himself.
When we stand before God we will have no excuse.
Those in the rocky soil believed and were saved for a while and then they fell away.
Those in the good soil were saved and produced fruit.
As I said...if this were the only verse...we could debate it...
but there are many others.
It is possible to fall away:
Hebrews 6:4-6
4 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit,
5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,
6 and then have fallen away,
1 Timothy 4:1
1Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,
Revelation 2:4-5
4 'But I have this against you, that you have left your first love.
5 'Therefore remember from where you have fallen, and repent and do the deeds you did at first; or else I am coming to you and will remove your lampstand out of its place -unless * you repent.
Believers can be cut off:
Romans 11:20-22
20 Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited *, but fear;
21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either.
22 Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God's kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off.
John 15:1-2
1 "I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser.
2 "Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away;
and many more...
Even if I quoted Scripture (which I can) my opinions would be of no value to your way of thinking.
So? I learned not to waste time, because you would only drag it off into endless debate in a new area to waste even more time.
I discern you enough to know that much.
This is no less as much an opinion of Jesus 'at His word' as you've asserted of me. And I'm well aware this is all you, or anyone else, has any power to offer apart from invoking Jesus Himself.
I fear that you are incapable of using scripture.
Or you would.
Is not posting YOUR OPINION a waste of time?
Now THAT is a waste of time !
Some day you'll learn how.
I really believe you do not know how.
It's not an easy task.
You agree with the Catholics ,Mormons and Muslims?
You see @Toknow there is no "maybe" in the Lord Jesus Christ.
Your "maybe" is what is holding you back.
Our HOPE is a certainty, a done deal, eternal life, no condemnation and NEVER perish.....Your hope is a "maybe."......Just like all other human beings. Our new creation in Christ is a certainty .
If your eye offends you?
You will pluck it out? Matthew 18:9
Will you?
Again.... you keep failing to learn what words mean, and what it means to fall away.
If I drop out of school?
Do I cease to be a citizen?
Makes no sense.
Falling away is not about losing salvation.
But, about losing the source to one's blessings in our salvation.
Who should I invoke Mem?
I listen and hear what jesus teaches.
i see that Paul agrees with him since he was taught by Him.
Ditto for all the writers.
I've posted scripture...
if you don't accept scripture...that is your choice.
We can fall away.
We must endure to the end.
We can believe and stop believing.
Why don't you post some scripture that states that it's impossible to lose our salvation?
Did you see post 9412?
No reply?
I had hoped for better from you.