what if homosexuality was a genetic trait?

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A better question: What if the majority of people were actually bisexual?
 
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Ok lets say that one day on the news they came up after years of research that idk about 85% of homosexuals have a genetic imbalance/trait that makes them this way, how would you respond to this? and would they be judged differently by God than those who chose to be this way?

Keep in mind that there was a study done that showed that an orphaned child that never knew his alcoholic parents, after adopted and raised in a middle classed lifestyle, still went through the struggle of being an alcoholic.
My mother was an alcoholic, my grandfather has been one for the past 30 some years, so is my biological father, as was his father and mother. I'm 28 years old and have never had a problem with alcohol.

I believe two things that makes some one predisposed to certain addictions, generational sins, and the environment they've grown up in.

I didn't struggle with being an alcoholic, but there is another addiction that runs rampant in my family both on my fathers and mothers side, and both my parents were in bondage to this addiction as well. For some reason this particular addiction I didn't stand a chance against and struggled with it for more than 13 years.
I never saw my mom drunk, she would always dump me off with other people when she did that, however this other addiction I saw, it was the environment I grew up in, my mom even did it when she was pregnant with me.
So I was predisposed to this addiction even before being born

However I was not born that way, it wasn't in my genetic make up, my mom made poor choices and fell into sin, and I grew up seeing a particular thing.
People are not born thiefs alcoholics homosexuals sex addicts or murderers. I believe when we let sin in our lives we open ourselves up for Satan to get right in there and spread his poison.
 
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I do not think God has given anyone a free pass, we all are held accountable for our own sins.

So, the answer is ...NO (they have no excuse), they must battle their temptation

and either win or sin.
You know it's very easy to say *THEY HAVE NO EXCUSE*..:rolleyes:
 
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Ok lets say that one day on the news they came up after years of research that idk about 85% of homosexuals have a genetic imbalance/trait that makes them this way, how would you respond to this? and would they be judged differently by God than those who chose to be this way?

Keep in mind that there was a study done that showed that an orphaned child that never knew his alcoholic parents, after adopted and raised in a middle classed lifestyle, still went through the struggle of being an alcoholic.
I guess the difference between alcoholism and homosexuality is that alcoholism will stay a bad thing, regardless of the outcome of the "nature vs. nurture" debate. Homosexuality will remain a holy cow in a public debate whether it's a free choice or genetic.
 
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I don't really feel that you eased my curiosity.
There are other cases that you could probably look up. I'm just asking IF it were to be proven should this give those "born that way" an excuse or do you think God would pardon them of this sin? keep in mind the IF
I'm sorry, I know the answerd you're looking for but it isn't there. If you die in your sin you will be judge for it. If people choose to be that way then it's there choice but they'll have to pay the price and it's a tearable price to pay.
 
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You know it's very easy to say *THEY HAVE NO EXCUSE*..:rolleyes:
That is correct!!!! Because it is very easy and clear to understand that:

the act of having sex outside of marriage is a sin

marriage is the union of one man and one woman and God

the act of having sex with another person of the same sex is not only un-natural, it is a sin

This is not me saying this, it comes from God's word, do you really read the address? or have you read them before also?

So we have but one choice ... abstain!!!
 
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Tobby17

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That is correct!!!! Because it is very easy and clear to understand that:

the act of having sex outside of marriage is a sin

marriage is the union of one man and one woman and God

the act of having sex with another person of the same sex is not only un-natural, it is a sin

This is not me saying this, it comes from God's word, do you really read the address? or have you read them before also?

So we have but one choice ... abstain!!!
I'm not saying homosexuals shouldn't abstain, i'm just saying it's very easy for you to tell how they have no excuse.When u're not them or have any idea what it is to be Gay....
 
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I'm not saying homosexuals shouldn't abstain, i'm just saying it's very easy for you to tell how they have no excuse.When u're not them or have any idea what it is to be Gay....

I see your point from the way you see it.
 
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God gives us all our own crosses and our own battles to fight, many of which are written in our DNA and are genetic traits. This in no way lessens the fact that God gave us these crosses. He has known us forever and made us exactly who we are. So homosexuality might just be some peoples cross. I admit it seems a bit strange to me but who knows. And of course most gay people don't choose this and most would rather NOT be gay. Especially those who are Christian. So genetic or not, they need a lot of love and understand and help, not judging and condemnation.
 

jandian

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Ok lets say that one day on the news they came up after years of research that idk about 85% of homosexuals have a genetic imbalance/trait that makes them this way, how would you respond to this? and would they be judged differently by God than those who chose to be this way?

Keep in mind that there was a study done that showed that an orphaned child that never knew his alcoholic parents, after adopted and raised in a middle classed lifestyle, still went through the struggle of being an alcoholic.

Dont trust researchers; unless what they say lines up with what Jesus said
 

jandian

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All people are born in sin. Period. Its our nature and we can't stop it. Does God excuse it? No, He worked out a plan of salvation from it, He gave us forgiveness from it, and He still expects that we do our best to fight our sinful desires. That's everyone. All people. Whatever your reason, whatever you sin, God expects you to resist.
Amen............
 
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While there may be physical and environmental factors that contribute to it, homosexuality still comes down to what the person wants right? We can control that. Wanting something can be controlled by our conscious mind, and despite popular belief, homosexuality can be unlearned. How do I know this? I have a Christian friend that was gay his whole life. Then he got saved at around 22 years old and about a year of counseling and working with God later, he very infrequently has trouble with it.
 

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Ok lets say that one day on the news they came up after years of research that idk about 85% of homosexuals have a genetic imbalance/trait that makes them this way, how would you respond to this? and would they be judged differently by God than those who chose to be this way?

Keep in mind that there was a study done that showed that an orphaned child that never knew his alcoholic parents, after adopted and raised in a middle classed lifestyle, still went through the struggle of being an alcoholic.

Are you kidding me?
The uprising of the gay pride movement is an agenda.
It is political control like the sexual liberation since the french revolution and further on.
Please read this excerpt till the end.
It is and except from E. Michael Jones the author of "libido dominandi" and
"The jewish Revolutionary Spirit and its impact on World History".

Listen:
http://www.jettandjahn.com/audio/libidodominandi.mp3

"The connection between Jews and pornography is like the connection between Jews and Bolshevism. Both are forms of revolutionary activity, ultimately traceable to Jewish concepts that have been secularized. Jews become involved in pornography for reasons similar to why they become involved in Communism, which is to say, not just because they happened to be Jews but because being Jewish as they and Sabbatai Zevi and Wilhelm Reich defined it found logical expression in producing pornography as a form of cultural warfare through moral subversion.

'Jews who came to America,' Elliott Abrams writes, 'were usually. . . not the most devout people in their communities' anyway. The decline in faith and morals, however, did not mean that they stopped defining themselves as Jews. Socialism and sexual liberation simply filled up the religious vessels from which the Torah had evaporated.
...The Israelis have recently shown themselves well-versed in what one could call the military use of pornography. At 4:30 PM on March 30, 2002, Israeli military forces took over Palestinian TV stations when they occupied Ramallah in the West Bank, immediately shutting them down. What followed was a little more unusual. Shortly after occupying the Al-Watan TV station, the Israeli forces began broadcasting pornography over its transmitter. Eventually, according to a report from The Advertiser, an Australian newspaper, the Israelis expanded their cultural offensive against the Palestinian people by broadcasting pornography over two other Palestinian stations, the Ammwaj and Al-Sharaq channels. ... The simple fact of the matter is that this incident simply cannot be explained according to the principles available in contemporary American culture. In order to understand the disparity between the official explanation of pornography and what might be termed its military use, we have to go back to the ancients.

The story of Samson and Delilah might be a good place to start. Israel was invincible militarily then too -- at least that part hasn't changed -- so the Philistines decided that they had to get at the Israelite leader by other than military means. Unable to defeat him in battle, they decided to seduce him sexually. Once Samson succumbed to Delilah's wiles, he lost his power, and Israel lost its leader. They could find him then not on the field of battle, but rather to use Milton's phrase 'eyeless in Gaza, grinding at the mill with slaves.'
The story of the Palestinian TV stations broadcasting pornography has a curiously Biblical ring to it. Having learned their lesson, the Israelis decided to turn the tables on their opponents, because they knew that a blind opponent is no opponent at all, and because they knew -- as the ancient Greeks knew -- that lust makes a man blind. St. Thomas Aquinas, giving voice to that same tradition over a millennium later said that lust 'darkens the mind.' Suddenly, Israel's use of pornography in their battle against the Palestinians isn't so inexplicable anymore because a blind opponent is a weak opponent. A blind opponent is no opponent at all." Rabbi Dresner
In his new book Jones says:
"Jewish chutzpah was displayed no better than when Al Goldstein, the Jewish publisher of
Screw, was asked by Luke Ford why so many Jews were engaged in trafficking porn. Goldstein’s
answer was: “The only reason that Jews are in pornography is that we think that Christ sucks.
Catholicism sucks. We don’t believe in authoritarianism” (p. 1056). But there is a more practical reason Jews dominate pornography, for it is a means to revolution. As even Luke Ford admits:
“‘Why does porn attract so many non-Jewish Jews?’ Because ‘even when Jews live in a society that welcomes them instead of harassing them, many Jews hate the majority culture.’ Pornography
weakens the majority culture by moral subversion. Jews often lead in the application of new technology. That meant using high resolution photography, the VCR, and the Internet to deliver
pornography just as it meant dynamite, forgery, and smuggling to bring down the Czar in Russia”
(Jones, The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit and Its Impact on World History, p. 1055).

Here are a few good quotes on Porn and Purity:
Just say No to Porn.
Say Yes to Love.

Porn addiction?
Pray, and see www.Dads.com

God made you to be free and happy.
Don't submit to the slavery of Porn.

Porn destroys souls, relationships,
marriages, and societies.

Save America.
Fight Porn.

Pornography Is Moral Pollution (PIMP)

IMMODESTY:
Dress modestly.
It pleases God.

Immodest Dress
is Sexual Assault.

"Fashions will be introduced which will
offend God very much." (Our Lady of Fatima, 1917)

IMPURITY:
Wisdom will not enter a deceitful soul, nor dwell in a body enslaved to sin. (Wis 1:4)You must no longer live as the Pagans do ... darkened in understanding, alienated from the life of God ... Because of their hardness of heart, they have become callous and have handed themselves over to licentiousness for the practice of every kind of impurity to excess. That is not how you learned Christ. (Eph 4:17-20)
Fornication and all impurity must not even be named among you, as is fitting among saints. Let there be no filthiness, nor impure talk ... Be sure of this, that no fornicator or impure man ... has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for it is because of these things that the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not associate with them... Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. For it is a shame even to speak of the things that they do in secret. (Eph 5:3-8, 11-12)
Fornicators, Sex addicts, Perverts
will not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. (Eph 5:5)

Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: fornication, impurity, passion, evil desire... On account of these the wrath of God is coming. (Col 3:5-6)
 
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I feel that it is entirely impossible for us to say that God is HOLY and RIGHTEOUS, know that homosexuality is an abomination to Him, and even let our minds CONSIDER that it is anything other than a sin of choice. Knowing what I know about God, He would not despise what is out of our ability to control in ourselves. I believe that a homosexuals mind is changed, however, due to suggestions, propositions, temptations, doubt/unbelief, choices..etc. the same as an adulterer. We are all exposed to the same things in this world. We know and understand that it is wrong. We choose.

Can things be passed through a family? Of course. There are familiar spirits...Sin passed from Adam and Eve, to Cain, etc., etc., etc. They are curses. They can be broken in the name of Jesus...by the blood of Jesus. Someone in the family has to draw the line. In my opinion, homosexuality is a form of sexual immorality. So is fornication, adultry, etc. So homosexuality can enter a family through it's root..sexual sin. Fornicators are committing sin as homosexuals are. We can say, 'but we were born with desires to reproduce.' True, we are. But God strictly forbids fornication and adultry and you don't consider those birth defects.

He said that no sexually immoral person will inherit the kingdom.

The Bible says that whatever YOU bind on earth, is bound in heaven. The choice is up to us.
 
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I don't believe it is a choice anymore than you can choose the color of your skin. There have been studies but there is nothing conclusive. There is also no evidence against it being genetic. So this is really a matter of opinion. The bible says it is an abomination but it doesn't say it is a choice.
 

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I don't believe it is a choice anymore than you can choose the color of your skin. There have been studies but there is nothing conclusive. There is also no evidence against it being genetic. So this is really a matter of opinion. The bible says it is an abomination but it doesn't say it is a choice.
Good point. And you are right that they have not yet gotten conclusive proof but it doesn't mean that they wont.
What I have never understood is why so called christians have such fun gay bashing. God sees sin. He does not think that being gay is worse than stealing, he sees all as sin.
 

TheAristocat

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I don't believe it is a choice anymore than you can choose the color of your skin. There have been studies but there is nothing conclusive. There is also no evidence against it being genetic. So this is really a matter of opinion. The bible says it is an abomination but it doesn't say it is a choice.
I think that it could possibly be both genetic and a choice. For instance, I asked a homosexual once about his thoughts on relationships and he told me that being with a man was just more fulfilling than being with a woman. I'm not sure what he means by that, but it does appear that homosexuality is a milder form of bisexuality. Why do I say this? Because I'm a heterosexual and I think being with a man would be utterly disgusting. So if the homosexuals can go either-or then doesn't that make them bisexual and not truly homosexual?

I guess that's a little beside the point, but anyway I found it interesting.
 
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Homosexuality is nothing more than an extreme form of sexual immorality (fornination). To say that a person can be born gay is like saying a person is born an adulterer, born addicted to porn, born a rapist or born a child molester.
 

TheAristocat

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Homosexuality is nothing more than an extreme form of sexual immorality (fornination). To say that a person can be born gay is like saying a person is born an adulterer, born addicted to porn, born a rapist or born a child molester.
Not that I know whether it's a genetic trait or not, but aren't we all capable of these things from birth? That's what a sinful nature is all about, right? Of course I've heard someone else here on these forums explain it as a sort of esoteric curse, inexplicable by science.
 
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Not that I know whether it's a genetic trait or not, but aren't we all capable of these things from birth? That's what a sinful nature is all about, right? Of course I've heard someone else here on these forums explain it as a sort of esoteric curse, inexplicable by science.
Blaming your sin on the sin nature is a cop out. Read the scriptures especially Romans 8. If you walk in the Spirit there's no reason to fulfill the lusts of the sin nature.