THE REQUIREMENTS FOR ETERNAL LIFE ACCORDING TO JESUS

[posthuman]

why was this man sad? its in there right after.. he had great riches and preferred these to follow Jesus.

it doesn't say he preferred his earthly wealth to following Jesus.

why did he come to Jesus at all?
why was he sad? if he preferred wealth he should be happy - he was rich.
why did Jesus immediately tell his disciples that salvation is impossible with man, but with God all things are possible?

do you really understand this or are you only building a whole soteriology around one verse?

 

[posthuman]

the commandments

if this man kept all the commandments, why did Christ's followers ask if anyone can be saved at all, after witnessing this interaction?

why did Christ reply to them, with man it is impossible?

 

[posthuman]

It is you who obsess then this man not me

you don't like studying the scripture?

 

[vassal]

here.

what you quoted is from mark 10 that I quoted to you "And Jesus, looking at him, loved him," in post 349 to make you understand now where did i say Jesus does lot like sinners, nowhere. always false accusation I am used to it. I am not one to play your games, if you have a real question ask me I like to discuss scripture but be honest with me and no mind games.

 

[posthuman]

what you quoted is from mark 10 that I quoted to you "And Jesus, looking at him, loved him," in post 349 to make you understand now where did i say Jesus does lot like sinners, nowhere. always false accusation I am used to it. I am not one to play your games, if you have a real question ask me I like to discuss scripture but be honest with me and no mind games.

you said He doesn't love the self righteous. self righteousness is sin, and this man came to Him saying, he kept all the commandments, he always kept all the commandments.

what is your definition of self righteousness?

if He indeed loves sinners, then His having loved this man - is it because he was sinless?

 

[posthuman]

His having loved this man - is it because he was sinless?

i say it is because this man came to Him seeking eternal life, and he did so while believing that he kept the law.

this man knew that he could not inherit eternal life by keeping the law, otherwise he never would have come to Christ.

 

[Inquisitor]

what you quoted is from mark 10 that I quoted to you "And Jesus, looking at him, loved him," in post 349 to make you understand now where did i say Jesus does lot like sinners, nowhere. always false accusation I am used to it. I am not one to play your games, if you have a real question ask me I like to discuss scripture but be honest with me and no mind games.

The Investigative Judgment, that is, Jesus is currently examining the lives of believers to determine whom is saved.

The Investigative Judgment, a second phase of the atonement began in 1844, according to Ellen White.

Jesus established a divine atonement for our sin on the cross at Calvary, and that was a one time event for all time.

Hebrews 10:12
But He, having offered one sacrifice for sin for all time, sat down at the right hand of God,

Hebrews 10:14
For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified.

Questions for you, vassal.

1) Why then did Jesus begin a second phase of atonement in 1844?
Was the first atonement which perfected every Christian for all time, not good enough?

2) How can any Christian have an assurance of salvation from their sin in Jesus Christ. If we
are currently being investigated, to determine our eligibility?

3) If a Christian needs some unknown level of obedience to qualify for heaven. What happened to grace?
Salvation then becomes a conditional battle based purely on our obedience. In other words, salvation is
not a free gift at all. You will earn your salvation by strict obedience to the teaching of Ellen White (the prophet).

The SDA doctrine of the Investigative Judgement of Christianity is in direct opposition to the gospel
of Jesus Christ.

Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

John 5;24
Whoever hears my word and believes does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

1 Corinthians 11:31
For if we would judge ourselves, we would not be judged.

 

[vassal]

The Investigative Judgment, that is, Jesus is currently examining the lives of believers to determine whom is saved.

The Investigative Judgment, a second phase of the atonement began in 1844, according to Ellen White.

Jesus established a divine atonement for our sin on the cross at Calvary, and that was a one time event for all time.

Hebrews 10:12
But He, having offered one sacrifice for sin for all time, sat down at the right hand of God,

Hebrews 10:14
For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified.

Questions for you, vassal.

1) Why then did Jesus begin a second phase of atonement in 1844?
Was the first atonement which perfected every Christian for all time, not good enough?

2) How can any Christian have an assurance of salvation from their sin in Jesus Christ. If we
are currently being investigated, to determine our eligibility?

3) If a Christian needs some unknown level of obedience to qualify for heaven. What happened to grace?
Salvation then becomes a conditional battle based purely on our obedience. In other words, salvation is
not a free gift at all. You will earn your salvation by strict obedience to the teaching of Ellen White (the prophet).

The SDA doctrine of the Investigative Judgement of Christianity is in direct opposition to the gospel
of Jesus Christ.

Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

John 5;24
Whoever hears my word and believes does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

1 Corinthians 11:31
For if we would judge ourselves, we would not be judged.

no idea what you are talking about 1844? why the interrogation? like i said before I am not SDA, please rephrase your questions.

 

[Inquisitor]

no idea what you are talking about 1844? why the interrogation? like i said before I am not SDA, please rephrase your questions.

I wasted my time on a good post.

If your not SDA then, what church organization do you proclaim?

 

[mailmandan]

The Investigative Judgment, that is, Jesus is currently examining the lives of believers to determine whom is saved.

The Investigative Judgment, a second phase of the atonement began in 1844, according to Ellen White.

Jesus established a divine atonement for our sin on the cross at Calvary, and that was a one time event for all time.

Hebrews 10:12
But He, having offered one sacrifice for sin for all time, sat down at the right hand of God,

Hebrews 10:14
For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified.

Questions for you, vassal.

1) Why then did Jesus begin a second phase of atonement in 1844?
Was the first atonement which perfected every Christian for all time, not good enough?

2) How can any Christian have an assurance of salvation from their sin in Jesus Christ. If we
are currently being investigated, to determine our eligibility?

3) If a Christian needs some unknown level of obedience to qualify for heaven. What happened to grace?
Salvation then becomes a conditional battle based purely on our obedience. In other words, salvation is
not a free gift at all. You will earn your salvation by strict obedience to the teaching of Ellen White (the prophet).

The SDA doctrine of the Investigative Judgement of Christianity is in direct opposition to the gospel
of Jesus Christ.

Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

John 5;24
Whoever hears my word and believes does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

1 Corinthians 11:31
For if we would judge ourselves, we would not be judged.

Investigative Judgment - SDA Doctrine vs Bible Truth https://share.google/0wspk0bd11TMmqSWQ

 

[GWH]

The requirements for eternal life per Jesus include the following, some stated in terms of faith (F) and some in terms of works (W):

From Matthew

1. Repent (4:17, F)
2. Recognize one’s spiritual poverty (5:3, F)
3. Be righteous (5:20, W)
4. Love your enemies (5:44, W)
5. Forgive those who offend you (6:14, 18:35, W)
6. Serve God (6:24&33, W)
7. Enter the narrow gate (7:13, F)
8. Do God’s will (7:21 & 12:50, F&W)
9. Hear and act (7:24, F&W)
10. Confess Jesus (10:32, W)
11. Love Jesus (10:37, F)
12. Give life to Jesus (10:39& 16:24-25, F)
13. Have no doubt (11:6, F)
14. Come to Jesus (11:28, F)
15. Learn from Jesus (11:29, W)
16. Be for Jesus (12:30, F)
17. Understand (13:23, F)
18. Be good (5:48 & 13:38,43,49, W)
19. Value salvation (13:44-46, F)
20. Believe Jesus (16:16& 21:32, F)
21. Become humble (18:3-4 & 19:14, W)
22. Forgive others (18:35, W)
23. Obey the commandments (19:17, W)
24. Give to the poor (19:21, W)
25. Follow Jesus (19:21&29, F)
26. Yield fruit (21:43, W)
27. Dress appropriately (22:11-14, cf. RV 16:15, W)
28. Love God, neighbor & self (22:37-40, F)
29. Hold out until the end (24:13, F)
30. Keep awake (24:42 & 25:13, F)
31. Be ready (24:44, F&W)
32. Be trustworthy and useful (25:21&30, F&W)
33. Help Jesus’ brothers (25:34-40, W)
34. Be righteous/do right (25:46, F&W)

More from Mark and Luke

35. Accept the kingdom (Mark 10:15, F)
36. Believe the Gospel (Mark 16:16, F)
37. Receive baptism (Mark 16:16, W)
38. Be hated (Luke 6:22-23, W)
39. Lend (Luke 6:35, W)
40. Judge not (Luke 6:37, W)
41. Invite the poor to your party (Luke 14:13-14, W)
42. Use wealth wisely (Luke 16:9, W)
43. Stand firm (Luke 21:19, F)

From John

44. Be born again (3:3&6, F)
45. Come to the light (3:21, F)
46. Drink living water (4:14, F)
47. Heed Jesus (5:24, W)
48. Do right (5:29, W)
49. Work for the food of life (6:27, W)
50. Believe in the one God has sent (F)
51. Partake of the bread of life (6:33-35&51, F)
52. Eat the flesh and drink the blood of X (6:54, F)
53. Dwell within the truth (8:31&35, W)
54. Obey the Son (8:51 & 14:15, F&W)
55. Hate self; serve Jesus (12:25-26, W)
56. Accept Jesus’ words (12:47, F)
57. Follow Jesus’ example (13:15-17, W)
58. Dwell in Jesus and in love (15:5-10, F&W)
59. Heed his command (15:10-12, F)
60. Know God and Jesus Christ (17:3, F)
61. Believe Jesus is Christ/Son (20:31, F)

The most comprehensive or summary statement seems to be #28, Love God, neighbor & self (Matt. 22:37-40).

 

[Toknow]

i say it is because this man came to Him seeking eternal life, and he did so while believing that he kept the law.

this man knew that he could not inherit eternal life by keeping the law, otherwise he never would have come to Christ.

Well posthuman

what would YOU say was the problem with the rich young man?

Why did he go to Jesus?
Why did he walk away sad?

You sure do know how to ask questions...
but how about some answers?

The RYM walked away sad because he could not do the one thing Jesus asked him to do.

Do YOU have something YOU would be unwilling to give up for Jesus and for salvation of your very soul?

Maybe we should stop and ask ourselves.


So what say you?

 

[Toknow]

no idea what you are talking about 1844? why the interrogation? like i said before I am not SDA, please rephrase your questions.

Better to accuse.

This is done when THEY run out of answers that make no sense to begin with.

The entire NT teaches obedience to God.

But obedience is not easy.

As witnessed in the story about the RYM.

Perhaps @posthuman will have a better explantion for us.

 

[GWH]

Better to accuse.

This is done when THEY run out of answers that make no sense to begin with.

The entire NT teaches obedience to God.

But obedience is not easy.

As witnessed in the story about the RYM.

Perhaps @posthuman will have a better explantion for us.

GW teaches both love for and obedience of God (Deut. 10:12, 11:1, Matt. 5:19-48, 22:37),
which makes cooperation easy (Matt. 11:29-30, Phil. 2:1-13).

 

[vassal]

I wasted my time on a good post.

If your not SDA then, what church organization do you proclaim?

none , i follow none except Jesus.

 

[GWH]

none , i follow none except Jesus.

I think we all should avoid allegiance to a church organization,
although we may prefer to attend a particular church for various reasons
including loving fellowship, uplifting music and edifying teaching.

 

[vassal]

The requirements for eternal life per Jesus include the following, some stated in terms of faith (F) and some in terms of works (W):

From Matthew

1. Repent (4:17, F)
2. Recognize one’s spiritual poverty (5:3, F)
3. Be righteous (5:20, W)
4. Love your enemies (5:44, W)
5. Forgive those who offend you (6:14, 18:35, W)
6. Serve God (6:24&33, W)
7. Enter the narrow gate (7:13, F)
8. Do God’s will (7:21 & 12:50, F&W)
9. Hear and act (7:24, F&W)
10. Confess Jesus (10:32, W)
11. Love Jesus (10:37, F)
12. Give life to Jesus (10:39& 16:24-25, F)
13. Have no doubt (11:6, F)
14. Come to Jesus (11:28, F)
15. Learn from Jesus (11:29, W)
16. Be for Jesus (12:30, F)
17. Understand (13:23, F)
18. Be good (5:48 & 13:38,43,49, W)
19. Value salvation (13:44-46, F)
20. Believe Jesus (16:16& 21:32, F)
21. Become humble (18:3-4 & 19:14, W)
22. Forgive others (18:35, W)
23. Obey the commandments (19:17, W)
24. Give to the poor (19:21, W)
25. Follow Jesus (19:21&29, F)
26. Yield fruit (21:43, W)
27. Dress appropriately (22:11-14, cf. RV 16:15, W)
28. Love God, neighbor & self (22:37-40, F)
29. Hold out until the end (24:13, F)
30. Keep awake (24:42 & 25:13, F)
31. Be ready (24:44, F&W)
32. Be trustworthy and useful (25:21&30, F&W)
33. Help Jesus’ brothers (25:34-40, W)
34. Be righteous/do right (25:46, F&W)

More from Mark and Luke

35. Accept the kingdom (Mark 10:15, F)
36. Believe the Gospel (Mark 16:16, F)
37. Receive baptism (Mark 16:16, W)
38. Be hated (Luke 6:22-23, W)
39. Lend (Luke 6:35, W)
40. Judge not (Luke 6:37, W)
41. Invite the poor to your party (Luke 14:13-14, W)
42. Use wealth wisely (Luke 16:9, W)
43. Stand firm (Luke 21:19, F)

From John

44. Be born again (3:3&6, F)
45. Come to the light (3:21, F)
46. Drink living water (4:14, F)
47. Heed Jesus (5:24, W)
48. Do right (5:29, W)
49. Work for the food of life (6:27, W)
50. Believe in the one God has sent (F)
51. Partake of the bread of life (6:33-35&51, F)
52. Eat the flesh and drink the blood of X (6:54, F)
53. Dwell within the truth (8:31&35, W)
54. Obey the Son (8:51 & 14:15, F&W)
55. Hate self; serve Jesus (12:25-26, W)
56. Accept Jesus’ words (12:47, F)
57. Follow Jesus’ example (13:15-17, W)
58. Dwell in Jesus and in love (15:5-10, F&W)
59. Heed his command (15:10-12, F)
60. Know God and Jesus Christ (17:3, F)
61. Believe Jesus is Christ/Son (20:31, F)

The most comprehensive or summary statement seems to be #28, Love God, neighbor & self (Matt. 22:37-40).

its a very good list but the list leans heavily toward human conditions and actions for salvation (what we must do), but underrepresents Jesus' statements about himself as the exclusive path (John 14:6, John 10:9) and God's sovereign role in drawing people to salvation (John 6:44). These omissions significantly change the theological picture the list presents.

IMO, the list shoud include as well;

John 3:16–18 — "whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life... whoever does not believe stands condemned already." Belief is touched on in #50 and #61, but this foundational passage — the most quoted verse in Christianity — deserves its own entry.

John 10:9 — "I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved." A direct salvation declaration, related to #7 (narrow gate) but distinct in its explicit "will be saved" language.

John 11:25–26 — "I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die." A crucial link between belief, resurrection, and eternal life entirely missing from the John section.

Luke 13:3 & 13:5 — "unless you repent, you too will all perish." Repentance is listed (#1), but this far more urgent and explicit formulation deserves separate treatment.

John 6:44 — "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them." This introduces the essential dimension of divine initiative in salvation — a major theological point Jesus makes that is completely absent from the list as compiled.

and most importantly;
John 14:6 — "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." This is arguably Jesus' single most direct and famous declaration about salvation, and its complete absence from the list is striking. It would logically belong between items #60 and #61.

 

[GWH]

its a very good list but the list leans heavily toward human conditions and actions for salvation (what we must do), but underrepresents Jesus' statements about himself as the exclusive path (John 14:6, John 10:9) and God's sovereign role in drawing people to salvation (John 6:44). These omissions significantly change the theological picture the list presents.

IMO, the list shoud include as well;

John 3:16–18 — "whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life... whoever does not believe stands condemned already." Belief is touched on in #50 and #61, but this foundational passage — the most quoted verse in Christianity — deserves its own entry.

John 10:9 — "I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved." A direct salvation declaration, related to #7 (narrow gate) but distinct in its explicit "will be saved" language.

John 11:25–26 — "I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die." A crucial link between belief, resurrection, and eternal life entirely missing from the John section.

Luke 13:3 & 13:5 — "unless you repent, you too will all perish." Repentance is listed (#1), but this far more urgent and explicit formulation deserves separate treatment.

John 6:44 — "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them." This introduces the essential dimension of divine initiative in salvation — a major theological point Jesus makes that is completely absent from the list as compiled.

and most importantly;
John 14:6 — "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." This is arguably Jesus' single most direct and famous declaration about salvation, and its complete absence from the list is striking. It would logically belong between items #60 and #61.

Thanks for the feedback. I see that I neglected to say that the list is intended to be comprehensive but not repetitive,
so I will add any new ones that you shared.

 

[God-fearing]

The requirements for eternal life per Jesus include the following, some stated in terms of faith (F) and some in terms of works (W):

From Matthew

1. Repent (4:17, F)
2. Recognize one’s spiritual poverty (5:3, F)
3. Be righteous (5:20, W)
4. Love your enemies (5:44, W)
5. Forgive those who offend you (6:14, 18:35, W)
6. Serve God (6:24&33, W)
7. Enter the narrow gate (7:13, F)
8. Do God’s will (7:21 & 12:50, F&W)
9. Hear and act (7:24, F&W)
10. Confess Jesus (10:32, W)
11. Love Jesus (10:37, F)
12. Give life to Jesus (10:39& 16:24-25, F)
13. Have no doubt (11:6, F)
14. Come to Jesus (11:28, F)
15. Learn from Jesus (11:29, W)
16. Be for Jesus (12:30, F)
17. Understand (13:23, F)
18. Be good (5:48 & 13:38,43,49, W)
19. Value salvation (13:44-46, F)
20. Believe Jesus (16:16& 21:32, F)
21. Become humble (18:3-4 & 19:14, W)
22. Forgive others (18:35, W)
23. Obey the commandments (19:17, W)
24. Give to the poor (19:21, W)
25. Follow Jesus (19:21&29, F)
26. Yield fruit (21:43, W)
27. Dress appropriately (22:11-14, cf. RV 16:15, W)
28. Love God, neighbor & self (22:37-40, F)
29. Hold out until the end (24:13, F)
30. Keep awake (24:42 & 25:13, F)
31. Be ready (24:44, F&W)
32. Be trustworthy and useful (25:21&30, F&W)
33. Help Jesus’ brothers (25:34-40, W)
34. Be righteous/do right (25:46, F&W)

More from Mark and Luke

35. Accept the kingdom (Mark 10:15, F)
36. Believe the Gospel (Mark 16:16, F)
37. Receive baptism (Mark 16:16, W)
38. Be hated (Luke 6:22-23, W)
39. Lend (Luke 6:35, W)
40. Judge not (Luke 6:37, W)
41. Invite the poor to your party (Luke 14:13-14, W)
42. Use wealth wisely (Luke 16:9, W)
43. Stand firm (Luke 21:19, F)

From John

44. Be born again (3:3&6, F)
45. Come to the light (3:21, F)
46. Drink living water (4:14, F)
47. Heed Jesus (5:24, W)
48. Do right (5:29, W)
49. Work for the food of life (6:27, W)
50. Believe in the one God has sent (F)
51. Partake of the bread of life (6:33-35&51, F)
52. Eat the flesh and drink the blood of X (6:54, F)
53. Dwell within the truth (8:31&35, W)
54. Obey the Son (8:51 & 14:15, F&W)
55. Hate self; serve Jesus (12:25-26, W)
56. Accept Jesus’ words (12:47, F)
57. Follow Jesus’ example (13:15-17, W)
58. Dwell in Jesus and in love (15:5-10, F&W)
59. Heed his command (15:10-12, F)
60. Know God and Jesus Christ (17:3, F)
61. Believe Jesus is Christ/Son (20:31, F)

The most comprehensive or summary statement seems to be #28, Love God, neighbor & self (Matt. 22:37-40).

Requirement?

 

[GWH]

Requirement?

Yes, but if your eyes begin to glaze over before reading the whole list,
notice that at the end I said the most comprehensive or summary statement seems to be #28,
Love God, neighbor & self (Matt. 22:37-40), although in John Jesus explains that those who love God
will also love His Son/Messiah (e.g., John 8:42-44).