SDA in their own words

[Gideon300]

"The Lord has shown me clearly that the image of the beast will be formed before probation
closes; for it is to be the great test for the people of God, by which their eternal destiny will be
decided. . . . [Revelation 13:11-17 quoted.] . . . {7BC 976.2}
This is the test that the people of God must have before they are sealed. All who proved their
loyalty to God by observing His law, and refusing to accept a spurious sabbath, will rank under
the banner of the Lord God Jehovah, and will receive the seal of the living God. Those who
yield the truth of heavenly origin and accept the Sunday sabbath, will receive the mark of the
beast (Letter 11, 1890). {7BC 976.3}"

False.
"And in Him, having heard and believed the word of truth—the gospel of your salvation—you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit........." Ephesians 1:13

"This is the test that the people of God must have before they are sealed. All who prove their
loyalty to God by observing His law, and refusing to accept a spurious sabbath, will rank under
the banner of the Lord God Jehovah, and will receive the seal of the living God. Those who yield
the truth of heavenly origin, and accept the Sunday sabbath, will receive the mark of the beast.
What need will there be of the solemn warning not to receive the mark of the beast, when all the
saints of God are sealed and ticketed for the New Jerusalem? "O consistency, thou art a
jewel!" {15MR 15.3}{D&R 370.2}"

False:
"Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a feast, a New Moon, or a Sabbath." Colossians 2:16

"now that a man is not justified by works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have believed in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified. Galatians 2:16

There is a good deal of truth in SDA teaching. That makes it even more deceptive. Poisoned honey is more likely to be swallowed than a mug of poisoned vinegar.

"How do you not understand that I was not telling you about bread? But beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees.” Matthew 16:11

 

[studier]

Informative.

The sect is a problem to say the least.

 

[kinda]

As far as the Sunday Sabbath/mark of the best SDA Prophecy, I think it's premature to know if this prophecy by the SDA is true or not, but the Vatican is once again become a political and religious order. Now many Protestant Reformers saw that Vatican as the anti-christ. So extreme Protestant beliefs concerning the Vatican aren't solely SDA.

Times have changed and people have become more comfortable with the Catholic church and more anti-semitic.

Christians are called to help world find peace, reconciliation, pope says

"The followers of Christ are summoned to become artisans of reconciliation: to confront division with courage, indifference with compassion and to bring heal...

www.usccb.org

"Vatican City is governed by the See of Rome, commonly known as the Holy See, itself a sovereign entity under international law, which maintains its temporal power, governance, diplomacy, and spiritual independence." wiki

"The Pontifical Swiss Guard, also known as the Papal Swiss Guard or simply Swiss Guard, is an armed forces, guard of honour, and protective security unit, maintained by the Holy See to protect the Pope and the Apostolic Palace within the territory of the Vatican City State." wiki

It wasn't to long ago, that people feared the Catholic Church,

"The Inquisition was originally intended primarily to identify heretics among those who converted from Judaism and Islam to Catholicism. The regulation of the faith of newly converted Catholics intensified following royal decrees issued in 1492 and 1502 ordering Jews and Muslims to either convert to Catholicism, leave Castile or face death." Spanish Inquisition from wiki

"The Reichskonkordat, signed on July 20, 1933, between the Catholic Church and Nazi Germany, aimed to regulate the relationship between the Church and the state, but it ultimately facilitated the Nazi regime's consolidation of power."

"Political Neutrality: The Church agreed to withdraw from political involvement, while the Nazis promised to respect the Church's institutional integrity and religious freedom"

Signing of the Reich Concordat (July 20, 1933)

germanhistorydocs.org

"Martin Luther believed that the Vatican represents the Antichrist due to its perceived authority and control over the Church."

"Since the Roman papacy was the great enemy of the Reformed church and Knox's personal adversary, his denun-ciation of the papacy as antichrist became one of the major motifs of his thought."

"Here Calvin develops his argument that the Pope is the Antichrist (Institutes IV,7,25)."


Here is your Bible quote...

"Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a feast, a New Moon, or a Sabbath." Colossians 2:16

This might be a NIV translation, to show it's o.k. to forget the 7th Day Sabbath. King James which many say, is the gold standard has it slightly different.

King James Bible
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Now if you continue reading on, it says....

17These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

Right. Right? Jesus fullfilled the Spring Biblical Holidays. Jesus was died on Passover, buried on Feast of Unleavened Bread, and rose again on Early First Fruits (Easter is not a Biblical Holiday for those who were wondering).

Also, I think you implying, that Christians should forsake the Law of Moses, and not keep the LORD's commandments. I mean all these topics have been discussed in the other thread. So, is there some kind of mental dementia here, or do people just like repeating the same talking points, until they feel like they have finally been heard? lol

Exodus 20
8“Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Matthew 5
17“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Are we implying that it's o.k. to murder, worship idols, and commit adultry now too? Once again this has been discussed in the other thread, why is a new thread created to rehash the same arguments?

To cap your post off, you needed to compare the SDA church with poison?!?!

"There is a good deal of truth in SDA teaching. That makes it even more deceptive. Poisoned honey is more likely to be swallowed than a mug of poisoned vinegar." Gideon quote

Why the slander?

This is what the Bible says about the patience of the saints...

Revelation 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Christians can hate the SDA all they want, spread misinformation, and slander, but I see it mostly based on ignorance. If it's later proved the Sunday Sabbath/Mark of the Beast is false, than so be it, but if it does become fullfilled in the future, I doubt anyone would apologize for the slander.

The SDA church has Spirit filled believers, who love Jesus, who try to honor the Lord by keeping HIS Commandments, and who have an amazing testimony. It is truly disappointing to see the shade that many Christians have shown to these fellow believers. People should be apologizing to these members, rather than bringing up more slander. Just my honest opinion.

 

[homwardbound]

"The Lord has shown me clearly that the image of the beast will be formed before probation
closes; for it is to be the great test for the people of God, by which their eternal destiny will be
decided. . . . [Revelation 13:11-17 quoted.] . . . {7BC 976.2}
This is the test that the people of God must have before they are sealed. All who proved their
loyalty to God by observing His law, and refusing to accept a spurious sabbath, will rank under
the banner of the Lord God Jehovah, and will receive the seal of the living God. Those who
yield the truth of heavenly origin and accept the Sunday sabbath, will receive the mark of the
beast (Letter 11, 1890). {7BC 976.3}"

False.
"And in Him, having heard and believed the word of truth—the gospel of your salvation—you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit........." Ephesians 1:13

"This is the test that the people of God must have before they are sealed. All who prove their
loyalty to God by observing His law, and refusing to accept a spurious sabbath, will rank under
the banner of the Lord God Jehovah, and will receive the seal of the living God. Those who yield
the truth of heavenly origin, and accept the Sunday sabbath, will receive the mark of the beast.
What need will there be of the solemn warning not to receive the mark of the beast, when all the
saints of God are sealed and ticketed for the New Jerusalem? "O consistency, thou art a
jewel!" {15MR 15.3}{D&R 370.2}"

False:
"Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a feast, a New Moon, or a Sabbath." Colossians 2:16

"now that a man is not justified by works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have believed in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified. Galatians 2:16

There is a good deal of truth in SDA teaching. That makes it even more deceptive. Poisoned honey is more likely to be swallowed than a mug of poisoned vinegar.

"How do you not understand that I was not telling you about bread? But beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees.” Matthew 16:11

So, listen, read and learn from Father God in risen Son personally

I hear others, listen and take all in care to Father in Spirit and truth from my prayer closet, ro be wise as a serpent and remain harmless as a dove. Matthew 10:16-20, Luke 21:14-15

So watch, listen and hear, separate truth from error. Seek out "Gold Nuggets" wherever you are, listen to and trust Father to reveal all truth to you personally
Do we each believe God will do that for us all each one. In the risen Son, now we are left with to listen to God alone. I have made that choice, thank you Father and Son as Won (One) next?

 

[Gideon300]

As far as the Sunday Sabbath/mark of the best SDA Prophecy, I think it's premature to know if this prophecy by the SDA is true or not, but the Vatican is once again become a political and religious order.

I have nothing against individual SDA any more than I have anything against Catholics. I am against the heretical teachings of both organisations. And someone decides to promote such teachings on the forum, I am obliged to refute them as best I can.

You reveal the problem yourself, perhaps because you do not know any better. "Trying......by keeping HIS commandments." Christianity is not a religion with a set of rules to follow. It is new life in Christ, given to us by God. A bird does not sit down with a "Theory of Flight" book. It flies because it is a bird. A cat is a cat because it has the nature of a cat. Even if it grows up with a dog and acts like one, it is still a cat.

Christians are those who are born again and who therefore have the divine nature. We do not have to try. We already, in spirit, exactly what God requires us to be. How can I say that? Easy. God's word says that I died and my life is hidden in Christ with God. Where do I come in? I choose to live in the light of that great truth. It's truly no longer I that lives. It is Christ that lives in me. I've been saved 54 years. Not once in all that time did Lord Jesus tell me that I would go to hell if I did not worship on Saturday.

The law has a job to do. If someone is born again, the law has done its job. If I am led by the Spirit, which I seek to do, I will be fulfilling God's purpose for my life. I will be obeying God because He is showing me what to do. I live by the new law, the law of the Spirit of Life in Christ my King.

There are other false teachings in SDA. I only put a couple down.

EG White said: "Christ took upon His sinless nature our sinful nature. Christ took our nature and it's deteriorating condition." (Q.D. p.654-656).

False. Jesus received His nature from God, not from man. Sure, He had a physical body that could die. He took our sins in His body. He did not take the sin nature. The sin nature dies with Christ because God includes us in the death of Christ. If Jesus took on our nature, He would be a sinner and unable to be the propitiation for our sins.

Investigative judgment means no assurance of salvation. According to SDAs, beginning on October 22, 1844, Christ entered upon the "judgment phase" of His ministry, whereby He blots out sin. The SDA "Investigative Judgment" doctrine rests on Ellen White's claimed revelation that Christ entered the Holy of Holies not at His ascension, but in 1844 (The Great Controversy, p.362-373).

False, course. Hebrews 9:12

I can go on, but if those heresies are not enough to convince you, nothing will. SDA brings nothing of any spiritual worth and only creates division. There is no assurance of salvation, forgiveness or eternal life, so denying the finished work of Christ on the cross.

 

[kinda]

I have nothing against individual SDA any more than I have anything against Catholics. I am against the heretical teachings of both organisations. And someone decides to promote such teachings on the forum, I am obliged to refute them as best I can.

You reveal the problem yourself, perhaps because you do not know any better. "Trying......by keeping HIS commandments." Christianity is not a religion with a set of rules to follow. It is new life in Christ, given to us by God. A bird does not sit down with a "Theory of Flight" book. It flies because it is a bird. A cat is a cat because it has the nature of a cat. Even if it grows up with a dog and acts like one, it is still a cat.

Christians are those who are born again and who therefore have the divine nature. We do not have to try. We already, in spirit, exactly what God requires us to be. How can I say that? Easy. God's word says that I died and my life is hidden in Christ with God. Where do I come in? I choose to live in the light of that great truth. It's truly no longer I that lives. It is Christ that lives in me. I've been saved 54 years. Not once in all that time did Lord Jesus tell me that I would go to hell if I did not worship on Saturday.

The law has a job to do. If someone is born again, the law has done its job. If I am led by the Spirit, which I seek to do, I will be fulfilling God's purpose for my life. I will be obeying God because He is showing me what to do. I live by the new law, the law of the Spirit of Life in Christ my King.

There are other false teachings in SDA. I only put a couple down.

EG White said: "Christ took upon His sinless nature our sinful nature. Christ took our nature and it's deteriorating condition." (Q.D. p.654-656).

False. Jesus received His nature from God, not from man. Sure, He had a physical body that could die. He took our sins in His body. He did not take the sin nature. The sin nature dies with Christ because God includes us in the death of Christ. If Jesus took on our nature, He would be a sinner and unable to be the propitiation for our sins.

Investigative judgment means no assurance of salvation. According to SDAs, beginning on October 22, 1844, Christ entered upon the "judgment phase" of His ministry, whereby He blots out sin. The SDA "Investigative Judgment" doctrine rests on Ellen White's claimed revelation that Christ entered the Holy of Holies not at His ascension, but in 1844 (The Great Controversy, p.362-373).

False, course. Hebrews 9:12

I can go on, but if those heresies are not enough to convince you, nothing will. SDA brings nothing of any spiritual worth and only creates division. There is no assurance of salvation, forgiveness or eternal life, so denying the finished work of Christ on the cross.

You can have the last word, but I think your grasping at straws, and are just biased. I think Predestination comes into play, like there is literally no way you are listening to me. You haven't acknowledged any points I made in either threads. lol I already answered some of these points, so not gonna even bother any more.

There is like a figurative brick wall, that prevents any words I type to actually register in your mind. This tells me you are ignoring me, and just rambling on.

My first post in this thread was well thought out, you glossed over it like it was a pop up ad. Give me a break. lol
I think there is a definite gap in knowledge in having a conversation, so I will keep this mind in the future.



I will restate the position on knowledge of salvation in the SDA church, one last time. Ellen White didn't want people to know if they were saved, because she didn't want people to believe, once saved, always saved. That is the reason. They are not denying the works of the cross, that your biased opinion of the SDA church's position.

So, you believe in once you say, the sinners prayer, your saved no matter what? Any lightbulbs glowing at this moment? lol Tell me you can at least understand this concept...Please...lol

You can disagree with the SDA church if you want, and also compare them to the Catholic church if you want, but you will have to find someone else, to clear up any tainted views you have. Your entitled to your opinion.

I'm not a SDA member, but it's absolutely clear to me, that people have an active imagination, and can come up with some amazing ways to be little the SDA church. Basically what I'm saying, is your reasoning is totally misguided, and biased. That's up for debate obviously, but it's not my job to change your mind, I just wanted to make sure, that you at least had a chance to realize, your totally off your rocker. lol I mean that in the nicest way possible of course.

 

[Just_A__Follower]

You can have the last word, but I think your grasping at straws, and are just biased. I think Predestination comes into play, like there is literally no way you are listening to me. You haven't acknowledged any points I made in either threads. lol I already answered some of these points, so not gonna even bother any more.

There is like a figurative brick wall, that prevents any words I type to actually register in your mind. This tells me you are ignoring me, and just rambling on.

My first post in this thread was well thought out, you glossed over it like it was a pop up ad. Give me a break. lol
I think there is a definite gap in knowledge in having a conversation, so I will keep this mind in the future.

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I will restate the position on knowledge of salvation in the SDA church, one last time. Ellen White didn't want people to know if they were saved, because she didn't want people to believe, once saved, always saved. That is the reason. They are not denying the works of the cross, that your biased opinion of the SDA church's position.

So, you believe in once you say, the sinners prayer, your saved no matter what? Any lightbulbs glowing at this moment? lol Tell me you can at least understand this concept...Please...lol

You can disagree with the SDA church if you want, and also compare them to the Catholic church if you want, but you will have to find someone else, to clear up any tainted views you have. Your entitled to your opinion.

I'm not a SDA member, but it's absolutely clear to me, that people have an active imagination, and can come up with some amazing ways to be little the SDA church. Basically what I'm saying, is your reasoning is totally misguided, and biased. That's up for debate obviously, but it's not my job to change your mind, I just wanted to make sure, that you at least had a chance to realize, your totally off your rocker. lol I mean that in the nicest way possible of course.

Do you agree the ellen white was a false prophet?
Do you believe it is loving to allow others to unknowingly follow false prophets?

 

[Gideon300]

You can have the last word, but I think your grasping at straws, and are just biased. I think Predestination comes into play, like there is literally no way you are listening to me. You haven't acknowledged any points I made in either threads. lol I already answered some of these points, so not gonna even bother any more.

There is like a figurative brick wall, that prevents any words I type to actually register in your mind. This tells me you are ignoring me, and just rambling on.

My first post in this thread was well thought out, you glossed over it like it was a pop up ad. Give me a break. lol
I think there is a definite gap in knowledge in having a conversation, so I will keep this mind in the future.

View attachment 286941

I will restate the position on knowledge of salvation in the SDA church, one last time. Ellen White didn't want people to know if they were saved, because she didn't want people to believe, once saved, always saved. That is the reason. They are not denying the works of the cross, that your biased opinion of the SDA church's position.

So, you believe in once you say, the sinners prayer, your saved no matter what? Any lightbulbs glowing at this moment? lol Tell me you can at least understand this concept...Please...lol

You can disagree with the SDA church if you want, and also compare them to the Catholic church if you want, but you will have to find someone else, to clear up any tainted views you have. Your entitled to your opinion.

I'm not a SDA member, but it's absolutely clear to me, that people have an active imagination, and can come up with some amazing ways to be little the SDA church. Basically what I'm saying, is your reasoning is totally misguided, and biased. That's up for debate obviously, but it's not my job to change your mind, I just wanted to make sure, that you at least had a chance to realize, your totally off your rocker. lol I mean that in the nicest way possible of course.

You are putting words in my mouth and you don't even see the blatant false doctrines promoted by SDA. You do not know what it means to be born again. So I agree with Jordan Peterson. Conversation over.